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What performance increase can I expect with a AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000+

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January 20, 2008 5:33:41 PM

I'm looking to update my current system (6800 pentium 4 2.8 ghz and 1.5 gb of Ram) with a new AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000+. I know that this CPU can do some serious work, but I'm afraid that my 6800 will bottleneck it Can I expect a 10-15 increase in FPS on games like Crysis? Better, can games like 2142 and Call of Duty 4 improve? What about world in conflict, can my average 20 fps on high settings spiral out to 30 fps? I need to know, because I want an 8800, but I can't afford it until May, and seeing people play Crysis on all high is making me quesy, after all, medium looks pretty too. :lol: 

:bounce: 


Thank you in advance- and by the way, my memory is DDR2 400, I know I can use it with the Athlon- my Motherboard I'm looking at is a cheap JetWay JM26GT3-SVP AM2 NVIDIA NF6100-405 Micro ATX. Does this look good?

Linkies for the products on new egg:
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January 20, 2008 5:40:38 PM

1. the motherboard is socket 939
2. You'll need a whole new system and i suggest getting it ASAP as DDR2 prices are still low.

my recomendations:
Intel E4500 C2D
Gigabyte p35
2 gig ddr-2 800
Antec Sonata (comes with 500w Antec Earthwatts PSU)
8800GT
and whatever else you need.
January 20, 2008 5:41:20 PM

I don't have the money for it though, how much does that cost?
As for the socket, I realized that and edited it, had I bought it, I would be disappointed :p !
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January 20, 2008 5:42:23 PM

That'll come at around $650.
January 20, 2008 5:43:50 PM

Since you have a 939Socket, there's no way you can have DDR2. And there is no such thing as DDR2 400 ;) 

I recommend taking away the "2".
January 20, 2008 5:44:06 PM

eep, my budget range is about $400 dollars, and I will need to wait till may (I'm a kid).
January 20, 2008 5:45:34 PM

Ok- does this look good: JetWay JM26GT3-SVP AM2 NVIDIA NF6100-405 Micro ATX for a motherboard that has is a AM2 socket? I wish I could use my current mobo, but it is an old pentium 4!

January 20, 2008 5:52:10 PM

rockstone1 said:
Ok- does this look good: JetWay JM26GT3-SVP AM2 NVIDIA NF6100-405 Micro ATX for a motherboard that has is a AM2 socket? I wish I could use my current mobo, but it is an old pentium 4!

So let me get this straight:

You have an old Intel pc.
Now you want an AMD pc.
You have DDR2 400(?) that you want to use in your new system.
You want to get this JetWay mobo, along with the 5000+ BE, therefore you want to OC.

Okay so first I'm sure there's no such thing as DDR2 400, could be wrong tho. Also the 5000+ BE doesn't include a heatsink, which you'll have to go buy. That motherboard seems okay if you're not going to OC.

That being said, you should probably go with an Intel solution. For about the same price, you can get a better pc.
January 20, 2008 5:56:48 PM

So for about 150$ I could get a better Mobo\CPU combination? I cant go above 160 right now. As for DDR2- All I know is that CPU Z tells me I have a DDR2 200 mhz, which wikipedia lists as a DDR 2 800, still DDR2 400 does exist according to wikipedia.
January 20, 2008 6:04:21 PM

rockstone1 said:
So for about 150$ I could get a better Mobo\CPU combination? I cant go above 160 right now. As for DDR2- All I know is that CPU Z tells me I have a DDR2 200 mhz, which wikipedia lists as a DDR 2 800, still DDR2 400 does exist according to wikipedia.

Oh okay, so it does exist. Just make sure it's DDR2.

Anyways, the Black Edition doesn't include a heatsink, which you will have to buy. A good one comes around $20+, but don't expect to OC it far.

Here's the $75 Intel e2140:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

A decent $70 mobo:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

You can OC the cpu to 3.2GHz without much problem. I'm not too sure about the motherboard, but on first glance, it seems okay for light OCing. You should do some more research before buying.
January 20, 2008 6:07:01 PM

oh, ok, good, i could buy my own heat sink for $20s ,or [sarcasm]I can use my stock dell heatsink [/endsarcasm]
January 20, 2008 6:09:21 PM

rockstone1 said:
oh, ok, good, i could buy my own heat sink for $20s ,or [sarcasm]I can use my stock dell heatsink [/endsarcasm]

If you go with the E2140, you won't need to buy one. It comes with one.

Only the BE from AMD doesn't come with one.
January 20, 2008 6:13:07 PM

Ok, but one more question, will I get the performance increase I need? Can my 6800 work well until may with this? My 6800 is a PCI-e 16.
January 20, 2008 6:13:36 PM

Evilonigiri said:
Since you have a 939Socket, there's no way you can have DDR2. And there is no such thing as DDR2 400 ;) 

I recommend taking away the "2".


Don't be mad at me, but there is such thing as DDR2 400
January 20, 2008 6:16:43 PM

yha, we know that, but I still dont know if my 6800 is effective...
January 20, 2008 6:17:40 PM

rockstone1 said:
Ok, but one more question, will I get the performance increase I need? Can my 6800 work well until may with this? My 6800 is a PCI-e 16.

You should see some boost in some game, however it wouldn't be much. The 6800 doesn't cut it any more. You'll need to upgrade the vidcard if you want that 15fps increase.
January 20, 2008 6:18:10 PM

torcida_kutina said:
Don't be mad at me, but there is such thing as DDR2 400

Yeah I was proven wrong earlier...my bad ;) 
January 20, 2008 6:24:48 PM

great, so I'll get the 8800 in May
January 20, 2008 6:26:27 PM

One last question: is it wise to buy these parts in separate times? I dont want to wait, but I will if necessary.
January 20, 2008 6:32:50 PM

rockstone1 said:
One last question: is it wise to buy these parts in separate times? I dont want to wait, but I will if necessary.

That really depends. If it's free shipping, by all means, buy them separately. No, buy them separately.

If it has a shipping cost, get them at once. The shipping cost will decrease.
January 20, 2008 6:36:12 PM

Ok, thanks, but I just realized, the motherboard you showed me has two slots- I need four.
January 20, 2008 6:41:55 PM

rockstone1 said:
Ok, thanks, but I just realized, the motherboard you showed me has two slots- I need four.

There is a problem. If you want to OC, your old ram won't cut it. Also 4x1GB ram doesn't OC well. 2x1GB OC a lot better. Anyways if you want to OC to 3GHz, you'll need better ram. They sell for cheap these days, just get any 2x1GB 800MHz ram (Saw some for ~$25 with mir).

If you really need 4 slots, this $100 mobo could work for you.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
January 20, 2008 6:44:54 PM

The unlocked 5000+ BE was $99 USD last week...for socket 939 the Optron 175 was $100 last week.

Both CPU's can do 3Ghz on stock volts and with a smal volt boost many run @ 3.4-3.5Ghz.

To get the A64/Optron vrs P4 rateing take the A64/Optron speed in Ghz X 1.46.
IE: 2 Ghz A64/Optron x 1.46 = a P4 @ 2.92Ghz.
A A64/Optron 3Ghz = P4 @ 4.38Ghz

The newer non P4 CPU's are now useing the AMD work-per-clock idea and much better than a P4.

If you have a 939 MB already and some fast DDR1-500 ram you can change the CPU around and have a very low cost system that due to Ram settings can best Read/Write/Copy of the fastest $600 set of DDR2 after you OC it.
See my system specs in my profile.


One online retailer has a bundle/combo they are saleing...unlocked BE,GB MB,2GB of Corsiar XMS DDR2-800 for under $300 USD with free shipping.

January 20, 2008 6:52:18 PM

rockstone1 said:
I'm not looking at 939 stuff- made a mistake. I'm thinking the dual core looks good, as for the overclocking, this cost is starting to spiral! How is this mobo? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Geez, you're going to have to do research yourself. There's too many mobo's out there!

It only has 2 slots, if you're fine with that.

EDIT: I would recommend P35 over any other chipset.
January 20, 2008 6:57:46 PM

:bounce:  Anyways, the Black Edition doesn't include a heatsink, which you will have to buy. A good one comes around $20+, but don't expect to OC it far. :ouch: 


hey guys, the black edition comes with an unlocked multiplier so you can get some crazzzzzyyyyy! oc for instance i have an x2 6000+ windsor skt am2 mine runs at 3.26ghz now i know a few modders out there that have this"black edition" cpu and theyve got with some volt modds at 3.4ghz which smacks my cpu around :pfff:  the brisbane is done on revision G2 much more efficient and based on 65nm etc etc etc :sleep:  u can get some brisbanes in revision G1 but..... G2 omfgg so the morall of the story it can ok v v well and in some cases ive seen almost by a full 1ghz!
January 20, 2008 7:02:38 PM

Yha, but the Dual Core looks better- still Pentium D's and Pentium Dual core are the same things, right?
January 20, 2008 7:09:24 PM

rockstone1 said:
Yha, but the Dual Core looks better- still Pentium D's and Pentium Dual core are the same things, right?

NO.

Pentium dual core is different from Pentium D.

Keep that in mind.

The e2160 can destroy the 5000+ BE when both are OCed to the max.
January 20, 2008 7:30:23 PM

rockstone1 said:
Oh ok, thank you, but I'm not to worry? if the Core 2's can run on a mobo, so can the Pentium Dual core, right? If so this looks like a good stable motherboard:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

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Pentium Dual core is C2D. Just with 1MB of cache and much slower speeds but great OCing ability.

Now keep that in mind.

Do you really need a Micro-ATX mobo? I recommend the reg ATX.
January 20, 2008 7:44:24 PM

rockstone1 said:
ok, as for the ATX, ok, have no idea between micro and regular! http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... looks good, and THAT could end my problem with memory too!

Micro is smaller, meant to fit smaller cases. The regular is longer, the benefit is more lanes and ram slots.

Once again, there is many motherboards out there. The specs of that motherboard looks decent enough, but make sure you read more reviews on it before deciding anything.
January 20, 2008 7:45:49 PM

:bounce:  go with the regular as adding components with a micro will be limited, with a full ATX board you"ll find you can addition products and spaceing is better between each component i.e for cooling..... :bounce: 

January 20, 2008 7:50:29 PM

Ok, I will, thanks guys, to confirm this my final specifications are as follows: MSI 945 Neo5-F LGA 775 Intel 945GC ATX Intel Motherboard
Intel Pentium E2140 Allendale 1.6GHz 1MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor - Retail

And best of all, my Ram should be compatible, since it can only be 800 or below! Thanks guys, it looks great!
January 20, 2008 8:12:36 PM

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One online retailer has a bundle/combo they are saleing...unlocked BE,GB MB,2GB of Corsiar XMS DDR2-800 for under $300 USD with free shipping.

January 21, 2008 1:56:58 PM

So?

Should I wait until may and Get a quad core, then get an 8800 in November? Or should I get a dual core in May and an 8800?

Or should I get what I got.
January 21, 2008 2:20:31 PM

you got duped into buying that weak 2140 proc?
sad
sad sad
sad
January 21, 2008 7:37:30 PM

rockstone1 said:
So?

Should I wait until may and Get a quad core, then get an 8800 in November? Or should I get a dual core in May and an 8800?

Or should I get what I got.

If you only play games, the E2140 OCed will serve you well.

Quad isn't worth it unless you do some crazy cpu stuff.
January 21, 2008 8:45:38 PM

Ok, but could I play Crysis on High with this and an 8800? I know that Athlons have done it, but what about this?
January 21, 2008 8:48:55 PM

rockstone1 said:
Ok, but could I play Crysis on High with this and an 8800? I know that Athlons have done it, but what about this?

Depends on what res you play on. At 1280 x 1080, mostly on high, yes. Are you talking about the 8800GTS 512MB?
January 21, 2008 9:06:19 PM

I have an EVGA 7600GT that kicks your 6800s a$$,you can have it for 60 dollars + shipping.You best choice is to get a new motherboard and processor.The 5000+ is a solid cpu,and with some oc'ing,you can get even better performance.I do believe that your current DDR2 400 memory will limit your hypertransport to a max of 1600mhz.However,this will be fine until you can get some faster memory.Just don't overclock the cpu as you'll likely run into system instability issues.Once you have the new faster memory,you can have a great time with that cpu,provided it's the Black Wdition with the unlocked multiplier.To answer your original question,yes you'll get better frames with that cpu.As for bottlenecking,that depends on what resolution you play at.Higher reolutions use more GPU and less CPU,whereas lower res.uses more CPU ande less GPU.Goodluck.

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January 21, 2008 10:06:03 PM

So should I get the black version of the 5000? Or should i get the pentium Dual core?
January 21, 2008 10:07:30 PM

They appear to use the same cache...
January 21, 2008 10:09:50 PM

rockstone1 said:
So should I get the black version of the 5000? Or should i get the pentium Dual core?

It is a solid cpu, but it doesn't come with a heatsink. Then you'll have to spend $20+ on a good heatsink.

When both CPUs are OCed, the E2140 will destroy the 5000+ BE.

A 2.8GHz C2D = 3.1GHz AMD Brisbane
January 21, 2008 11:28:50 PM

Wow, ok, but which is easier to overclock? I just did my first overclocking exercise on a Pentium 3 500 mhz and got it to 550, but by simple trial and error (this setting didn't work- try this one, this one didn't, try this one) Can these mobos do the same, or will they destroy themselves?

Or, can I go down to a 3600 and use that to overclock? Can I get better, stable, results?

Because all I want is something that is stable- I don't want to destroy my computer!

For the heatsink, can I use my current one? It is a gigantic dell one that could do it- or not, my computer is already warm from it.
January 22, 2008 12:42:24 AM

Thank you guys, but you know what, I think I'll get an AMD processor Athlon 64 X2, not to offend you guys who helped me, but I dont feel like doing an overclock of 100%! Besides, I'm new to overclocking, and the motherboards are cheaper and let you overclock!
January 22, 2008 12:53:57 AM

rockstone1 said:
Thank you guys, but you know what, I think I'll get an AMD processor Athlon 64 X2, not to offend you guys who helped me, but I dont feel like doing an overclock of 100%! Besides, I'm new to overclocking, and the motherboards are cheaper and let you overclock!

AMD isn't a bad choice, and yes their motherboards are cheaper. That's probably the one of the reason why anybody would want to go with AMD.
January 22, 2008 1:22:36 AM

ok, good, thank you, now I must go to bed!
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