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How big of a jump is from a EVGA 7200gs to a MSI 8400gs?

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January 16, 2008 12:38:13 PM

I bought a 7200gs Recently to upgrade from my Onboard 6100 and well I wasn't too satisfied so I ordered the MSI 8400gs from newegg hoping to get better performance...I cant really seem to find benchmarks about the 8400gs on crucial games like...Rainbow Six Vegas, Bioshock, Crysis, and Dirt.

I wanted to know if playing those games in ultra low everything with the 8400gs would give me smooth fps?

I have a AMD Athlon 64 3500+
With 2 GB of PC3200
Stock PSU of 300watts

I'm on the biggest budget and I will not wait to get a better one..

I'm currently building another pc so im just buying for this cheap one i use to play some games in the meantime..

Thank you..

-SkateFam
January 16, 2008 12:58:14 PM

It won't be much of an upgrade, if it is at all.

The reason that you won't find any benchmarks for it is because the card wasn't meant for gaming.

You would have been much better off if you had just saved your money and bought a half decent card like a X1650pro or 7600GS.
January 16, 2008 1:08:21 PM

Those are cards are really not for 3D apps at ALL so you won't see good performance at any setting, also out of the 4 games you mentioned one is the biggest graphical powerhouse (crysis) even on low it still takes some power to run, R6 Vegas is HORRIBLY optimized so you're going to need also a decent card, and from what I've heard Dirt isn't easy on the hardware either.

However you might be able to play bioshock on the lowest of settings, but just remember that these cards are NOT for gaming.
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January 16, 2008 1:12:30 PM

SkateFam said:
I bought a 7200gs Recently to upgrade from my Onboard 6100 and well I wasn't too satisfied so I ordered the MSI 8400gs from newegg hoping to get better performance...I cant really seem to find benchmarks about the 8400gs on crucial games like...Rainbow Six Vegas, Bioshock, Crysis, and Dirt.

I wanted to know if playing those games in ultra low everything with the 8400gs would give me smooth fps?

I have a AMD Athlon 64 3500+
With 2 GB of PC3200
Stock PSU of 300watts

I'm on the biggest budget and I will not wait to get a better one..

I'm currently building another pc so im just buying for this cheap one i use to play some games in the meantime..

Thank you..

-SkateFam


I think the 8400g is equialent to a 7600gt, which i know from when i had one was a good card, and is certainly ALOT faster than a 7200. It looks sad compared to the top cards now, of course, but put it this way you'll get alot more frames and detail out of the 8400. On dirt you should get 1024x768 all on medium no aa 30fps 0xaa or something, very playable anyway.
January 16, 2008 1:19:47 PM

The 8400GS is NOT equivalent to a 7600GT, a 8600GT is about as fast (or a bit faster) than a 7600GT, the 8500GT is FAR below that level and the 8400GS is even further below (around 7300GS perf I think).
January 16, 2008 1:28:29 PM

spoonboy said:
I think the 8400g is equialent to a 7600gt...



Unfortunately, that is just not the case. The 8400 was developed first for OEM's to put in a low-cost solution into their machines without leaving the consumer with a built-in solution. Thus, it was built on the 8200 core. Not even close in perf to the 7600.

@OP:
To get decent (playable) framerates on those games you're gonna have to spend at least $150-200. You might get away in the ~$100 range, but trust us, $50 just isn't gonna cut it. For my part, I will recommend the 7600GT as others have, as it is a decent performer, and cheaper by the day.
January 16, 2008 1:32:13 PM

spoonboy said:
I think the 8400g is equialent to a 7600gt.


An 8400g doesn't have a hope in hell of matching the performance of the 7600 GT. The 8600 GT matches the 7600 GT.

An 8400 GS is about as good as a Geforce 7300 GS. Bottom end 8000 series cards suck for gaming.

At the very least, if gaming is your thing, get a 2600 PRO for $70. That's the bottom barrel gaming card, anything less than that - 2400 series Radeons or 8500 series Geforces - are bottom feeders.
January 16, 2008 1:39:07 PM

ok looks like i was wrong then lol
January 16, 2008 1:46:49 PM

Yes, listen to cleeve on this one: a 7600GT is far and BEYOND a better 3D solution then the 8400GS. If you want a good run down of the class it's actually in, check out this:

http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics_2007.html?modelx=33&model1=716&model2=1059&chart=318

Is it an upgrade from a 7200GS? Yes... Is it much of an upgrade at all?
Not at all when you consider the competition. Do yourself a favor and save a little more and buy one of the solutions already mentioned by previous posts: x1650pro/XT, 7600GS/GT, 2600Pro ($70 is quite a bargain for the performance margin).

Hope this helps!
a b U Graphics card
January 16, 2008 3:53:05 PM

I can say like me, I have been running some games, like medieval 2, total war and the expansion for that on a 7300LE, although thankfully that will be replaced in a few months, waiting on more cash and to see what else is released. What your best chance is, get into the graphics options and use the advanced tab, make sure the slider is set for performance. You won't get all the little niceties, but you may be able to get things to run well enough so you can enjoy a little gaming.
January 16, 2008 4:39:30 PM

I always find it hilarious when people order something then decide to come the forum to ask a question about it. Why didn't you ask the question before you ordered it. If you hadn't wasted your money buying the 7200gs in the first place you would have more money now to buy something better.

Oh and the 8800gs is a peice of junk.
January 16, 2008 4:57:14 PM

keelintym said:
Yes, listen to cleeve on this one: a 7600GT is far and BEYOND a better 3D solution then the 8400GS. If you want a good run down of the class it's actually in, check out this:

http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics_2007.html?modelx=33&model1=716&model2=1059&chart=318

Is it an upgrade from a 7200GS? Yes... Is it much of an upgrade at all?
Not at all when you consider the competition. Do yourself a favor and save a little more and buy one of the solutions already mentioned by previous posts: x1650pro/XT, 7600GS/GT, 2600Pro ($70 is quite a bargain for the performance margin).

Hope this helps!


yes your probably right, although toms charts are a bit of a wänk reference though lol.
January 16, 2008 5:27:39 PM

gpippas said:
Oh and the 8800gs is a peice of junk.

8400gs?
January 16, 2008 5:35:15 PM

hmmmmmm yes i spotted that too. Hes right about the 'its funny when people enquire about things after theyve bought them' thing lol
January 16, 2008 6:18:30 PM

64 bit memory interfaces on both cards. 'Nuff said.
January 16, 2008 6:35:35 PM

Haha I understand that but Like I said I'm strictly on a budget....the only income I get if from making profit of buying and selling....so yeah and I can play dirt with everything low at around 10-15 fps....and Crysis at 15-20 fps on my 7200GS. Sure it's def. not for gaming but it handles it right? I honestly do not care that much about graphics, but more into performance... I do go in the Nvidia Control panel and set everything for performance....I read reviews on newegg about that 8400gs saying that it could play crysis at smooth fps, most likely it means with everything low but I am happy with that...I play with a Xbox 360 controller and as long as the game does not skip that much it's okay....And what about the videos on youtube? I went to youtube and searched 8400gs and watched the videos recorded while playing Crysis and thats pretty much why I was sold to buying it.
January 16, 2008 6:39:11 PM

The bottom line is, you've spent money on a card that, in general, will offer you no perceivable performance benefit. And it sounds to me like you bought the card for a performance increase, no?

You spent your money on the wrong thing. If it's not too late to take it back, do so.

If you're on a budget, try ebay: lots of cards you can get there that will outperform the hell out of an 8400 GS for the price.
January 16, 2008 6:47:34 PM

Then you have the risk of a douche giving you a messed up card ....because then I wouldent be able to refund it would I?
January 16, 2008 6:54:30 PM

Is it better spending your money on something that provides no benefit?

On ebay, at least you have a chance of a performance increase...
And if you're worried, only buy from a seller with a good rating.

How much did that 8400 GS cost you?
January 16, 2008 6:57:11 PM

Yeah Thank you cleeve I'll try to sell this 8400gs after I get my mail in rebate ..if i get it....
January 16, 2008 7:03:08 PM

Ah... can't return it. Bugger.

Well, you might get a performance increase in older stuff. As for Rainbow 6, Crysis, and Bioshock - well, I hope I'm wrong and the 8400 shows you some nice gains over the 7200.

If you don't find it up to snuff, and need a cheep card that will do the trick, you should seek out a 2600 PRO...
January 16, 2008 7:18:42 PM

Thank you so much for your opinion..it really helps...But I was just instantly sold by the videos on youtube about the 8400gs....Here's where I bought it fromhttp://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127296

In total it would be
27.99 + Tax+ Shipping after MIR

I've heard the Mail-in Service is horrible and it takes a long time...So i hope I get lucky with this
January 16, 2008 10:47:46 PM

Sorry to hear about you GPU misfortune SkateFam. The good news is that if your rebate goes through you can probably pawn that card off for close to what you paid for it.

To play the games you listed you will realistically need to spend at least $60 on a card. Newegg has an HD2600PRO for $69.99 right now. That would be a decent card if you can live with low settings.
January 17, 2008 1:22:29 AM

But what about the youtube videos on the 8400GS? They make it seem good enough to run crysis
January 17, 2008 1:30:56 AM

Also according to youtube you can get dozens of AA batteries out of a lantern battery.
January 17, 2008 1:41:00 AM

so You're meaning to tell me that the Videos of crysis on youtube arent really from a 8400gs? I wanna see you prove that to me...
January 17, 2008 1:47:01 AM

Lol @elpresidente2075. As far as your graphics card is concerened, $27 dollars isn't that bad a price of the card, at least you have GPU based video decoding. I'd say you'd be able to play most games in their lowest settings, except the highly unoptimized ones.

I'm able to play BF2/BF2142 with a 7100 IGP on my laptop. That's with medium textures and full view distance @1280x800 and get a constant 30FPS except when arty goes off. I'd say if you can find something better on eBay, go for it. If you can't, just wait until you're ready to build a new rig and duke it out at very low settings.

On a side note, I wonder which one would be better, a 6600 or a 8400GS? Because if he can get 6600 performance out of it, that is usually good to play at medium settings at low resolutions on semi-older games like BF2.
January 17, 2008 1:48:51 AM

SkateFam said:
so You're meaning to tell me that the Videos of crysis on youtube arent really from a 8400gs? I wanna see you prove that to me...


I'm just saying take it with a grain of salt. It is very easy to fake something on youtube.
January 17, 2008 1:49:32 AM

Haha check this Newegg review out.


Reviewed By: on 1/15/2008
Rating + 4Rating + 4Rating + 4Rating + 4Rating + 4
Tech Level: somewhat high - Ownership: 1 day to 1 week
This user purchased this item from Newegg.com

Pros: Installed and works with Vista flawlessly. Great card for the money.
Cons: Only increased my Windows Experience - Vista Aero raiting from 3.3 to 3.6.... However, it did increase my graphics raiting much higher.
Other Thoughts: I am not a gamer but my son claims this card runs Call of Duty 4 with highest settings. He was very impressed with the card.

I'm sure it will buddy.
January 17, 2008 2:07:20 AM

Does anyone know of any Tom's Hardware VGA chart-like Comparisons? Would anyone say the MSI 8400gs is the Best GPU <$50?
January 17, 2008 2:25:42 AM

Yeah I guess you could say that, but a used card would be a lot better at that price. I've seen x1800pro's go for that price.
January 17, 2008 2:32:36 AM

I bought the 7800GT in my system for that. Also, about a year ago, I bought 2 (vanilla)6600's for $50 as well.
January 17, 2008 3:27:17 AM

Hmmmm So next time I go looking for a GPU which will be tops $100 for sure...(I like to set my spending limit...) I should look towards Ebay for one?
January 17, 2008 3:35:06 AM

Well, it's ebay, but hasn't failed me yet.
January 17, 2008 3:44:09 AM

aight then Thx
January 17, 2008 4:24:23 AM

I have a nice 7600GT I'll sell you for 85 dollars.Now that's an upgrade worth doing.Neither the 7200 or the 8400 is meant for gaming.Both have a 64bit mem interface and a minimal number of pixel pipes.In a nut shell,they suck.And no you won't be able to play crysis even with everything on low.You'll get nothing but chop.Goodluck.

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January 17, 2008 10:16:27 AM

spoonboy said:
hmmmmmm yes i spotted that too. Hes right about the 'its funny when people enquire about things after theyve bought them' thing lol


Sorry my bad. Just not used to putting a 4 in there. The 8400gs is a peice of junk.
January 17, 2008 11:24:54 AM

If a $28 video card could play Crysis, I'm pretty sure Electronic Arts would just put a free one in the box so we could all play. The OP should strongly consider comparing benchmarks (not NewEgg reviews) before making a purchase decision.
January 17, 2008 11:28:27 AM

Dahak said:
I have a nice 7600GT I'll sell you for 85 dollars.Now that's an upgrade worth doing.Neither the 7200 or the 8400 is meant for gaming.Both have a 64bit mem interface and a minimal number of pixel pipes.In a nut shell,they suck.And no you won't be able to play crysis even with everything on low.You'll get nothing but chop.Goodluck.


are you sure about that? Are you willing to bet me your life I cant get crysis on a playable rate with an 8400gs. For my likes you could say i get barely playable rates with the 7200gs i use, still playable. I think I'd be very satisfied with a just a little bit more increase for 27.99(+tax+S&H). Well Actually I've never seen a game in full detail on the pc....so It does not kill me that I dont have a 8800 or a 7600GT. My main question was if it's an upgrade? I know it is...but how much of an upgrade?
January 17, 2008 12:06:02 PM

SkateFam said:
are you sure about that? Are you willing to bet me your life I cant get crysis on a playable rate with an 8400gs. For my likes you could say i get barely playable rates with the 7200gs i use, still playable. I think I'd be very satisfied with a just a little bit more increase for 27.99(+tax+S&H). Well Actually I've never seen a game in full detail on the pc....so It does not kill me that I dont have a 8800 or a 7600GT. My main question was if it's an upgrade? I know it is...but how much of an upgrade?


It may be playable (like 15fps), with everything set to low @ 640x480. As it has been stated before, there won't be much of a performance increase from a 7200gs. There seems to be a general consensus that you have wasted your money by buying two very low end cards rather than saving that money and buying a decent card.

I have a 7600gt and I can only play crysis at all low @ 1024X768.
January 17, 2008 12:35:49 PM

spoonboy said:
hmmmmmm yes i spotted that too. Hes right about the 'its funny when people enquire about things after theyve bought them' thing lol


I'm sorry if this is off topic - but i have to agree with ya mate. If it's not from Yorkshire, it's ****.
January 17, 2008 1:40:06 PM

SkateFam said:
I bought a 7200gs Recently to upgrade from my Onboard 6100 and well I wasn't too satisfied so I ordered the MSI 8400gs from newegg hoping to get better performance...I cant really seem to find benchmarks about the 8400gs on crucial games like...Rainbow Six Vegas, Bioshock, Crysis, and Dirt.

I wanted to know if playing those games in ultra low everything with the 8400gs would give me smooth fps?

Thank you..

-SkateFam


Here's an article on HDMI cards at the low end. It has benchmarks for the 8400gs in Battlefield 2142 as well as more intensive games like Oblivion:

http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/11/12/six_graphics_car...

For some reason, the last page of Tom's the best video cards for January 2008 does not have either the 7200gs or the 8400gs in the Nvidia column of the "What about the other card?". That feature's good because it shows what higher end older cards are equivalent to a lower end newer card. For example, a 7300gtddr 2 is the last generation equivalent of the 8500gt.

Tom's interactive GPU charts compares a 7300gs with an 8400gs and they are close, with the 7300gs at 14.0 fps and the 8400gs at 15.6 fps in Battlefield 2142.

http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics_2007.html?modelx...

There's no mention of a 7200gs, but I'd assume it's a few fps slower than the 7300gs, so an 8400gs might be a viable upgrade for awhile until you get your newer computer all up and running.

I hope this helps. Me, I'm waiting for my second W2, and for the IRS to accept my turbo tax return. When it gets accepted, I'll count the days till it's in the bank, then I'll count the days until Newegg gets a couple of 20" Viewsonic LCD monitors and a couple of 3870's. My wife finally agreed that she wants the 3870 and not the 3850.

Finally, a year with a 7600gs will soon be over!!! I only got that card because I wanted to pay as little as possible February 2007 because I had high hopes for the 8600GTS and the 2600XT, those hopes were dashed and I wasn't impressed with the 8800gs 320 or the X2900XT at those prices and Vista performance.

At least there are some decent graphics cards out now. Hellgate London, here I come, soon, real soon!

We've also had these 17" Viesonic CRTs for three years and I'd like to get above 1280 x 1024 for once. So, the Viewsonics will be nice too. Anyone have any advice on how well this will do for games?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

How common are dead pixels? Should I get this at Fry's where I can see it on display? The 17" monitors I bought locally because of the cost of shipping, but this isn't too bad.
January 17, 2008 7:21:14 PM

SkateFam said:
Are you willing to bet me your life I cant get crysis on a playable rate with an 8400gs.


Oh, you might do it... but will it be any faster than your 7200 GS?

That's the question. I don't think it'll be worth the price, but there are cards only a few bucks more than the 8400 GS - like the 2600 PRO - that would have shown you a huge increase.
January 17, 2008 8:53:56 PM

Yeah I'll go for that 2600 PRO if I'm not merely satisfied with the 8400gs...I am about to sell this 7200GS for $30...Thats a good start...I'm young and I dont have to pay for utilities...So I think I'm good..For now

Also take note that those benchmarks are with the games at full detail...15 FPS in 2142 is really good for me if it's at max Quality...All I have to do is just turn everything to a minimum and It would be playable right? Anyone have a good guess as to what would my FPS be in 2142 if i turned everything down? (Using the 8400GS that should ship in today...)
January 17, 2008 9:03:41 PM

Honestly it will be hard to predict FPS on the 8400gs since the reviews mainly focus on its video processing abilities. It's just not meant to be a gaming card.
a c 355 U Graphics card
January 18, 2008 4:53:14 AM

Just goes to show that if you try to cheap out on components at first, it can end up costing you more in the end.

Never, ever rely on "bigger numbers" and assume they will outperform "lower number" video cards.

Research first, then buy.
January 19, 2008 2:52:40 AM

I love this card it plays Crysis everything low at avg. of 30 fps
January 23, 2008 11:04:02 PM

IndigoMoss said:
Haha check this Newegg review out.


Reviewed By: on 1/15/2008
Rating + 4Rating + 4Rating + 4Rating + 4Rating + 4
Tech Level: somewhat high - Ownership: 1 day to 1 week
This user purchased this item from Newegg.com

Pros: Installed and works with Vista flawlessly. Great card for the money.
Cons: Only increased my Windows Experience - Vista Aero raiting from 3.3 to 3.6.... However, it did increase my graphics raiting much higher.
Other Thoughts: I am not a gamer but my son claims this card runs Call of Duty 4 with highest settings. He was very impressed with the card.

I'm sure it will buddy.


Hey dude honestly he wasn't lying, It's possible to play it on the highest settings....but of course on low resolution...It still looks sweet though. i turned the slider in the nvidia control panel towards quality too.
a b U Graphics card
January 23, 2008 11:31:29 PM

I have a 8400GS that I have on a PC I built for a school project (the one that Im using most of the time now :lol:  ). Its OCed to 700/500 using ATiTool. I get a 747 (SM2) and 643 (SM3) score on 3DMark.
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