Im sick of the AMD vs. Intel benchmarks. Please help.

[Dunkel]

I'm building a new computer on a slight budget and the AMD Athlon 64 X2 4000+ Brisbane 2.1GHz was recommended to me but I can afford the X2 5000+ Black Edition.

What is the Intel equivalent and is it worth it?

I'll be playing games and using my new computer to network movies and videos throughout my house.

Thanks for the help.

 

[cnumartyr]

E2160, E2180, or E2200.

I think the Intel will be better once you consider OCing. If you are leaving it at stock I don't know.

The E2160 gets 1550ish on 3DMark06 CPU score and the 5000+ gets around 1900. I think the E2200 would be close at stock.. and once you get to OCing the E2200 would blow it away.

I would go Intel because of performance.. personal opinion, but the 5000+ BE is a solid choice as well.

 

[Silverion77]

Cnumartyr, why dont we use the E2200 for the ocing test

 

[cnumartyr]

Cnumartyr, why dont we use the E2200 for the ocing test

Because it's more money? Lol.. I don't know.

I'm going to ask around to see if I can get someone to front the cash for the build, not charge labor, and give it to them OC'd when I'm done!

 

[dragonsprayer]

you should be runing an E8400!

 

[cnumartyr]

you should be buning an E8400!

Considering he said he's on a budget, and the BE is $100 and the E8400 is around $190.. I think that might go over it.

 

[compy386]

According to Tom's review on the 5000+ BE it performs about the same (at 3.1 ghz) as a 6550 which retails for $175 on newegg. The 5000+ is 99 on newegg (no fan). If you have an AM2 the 5000+ is easily the best choice. Otherwise I'd still go with the 5000+ but that's just because I have an AMD bias. I've bought AMDs since my first 1800+ and I don't see any reason to switch so long as they're competitive.

 

[Dunkel]

Yeah, everything is on a budget these days. The AMD 4000+ is being recommended to me by a friend because of it's ability to be OC'd and it's cheap $50 price. I can afford a $100 and will be OCing eventually but only with air cooling. I just want the best bang for the buck, as I only build every 3-4 years.

The price for the amd vs. the intel Mother board would have to justify going intel too.

The AMD board I would get would be ASUS M2N-E AM2 NVIDIA nForce 570 Ultra MCP ATX AMD Motherboard at $94.99

 

[cnumartyr]

According to Tom's review on the 5000+ BE it performs about the same (at 3.1 ghz) as a 6550 which retails for $175 on newegg. The 5000+ is 99 on newegg (no fan). If you have an AM2 the 5000+ is easily the best choice. Otherwise I'd still go with the 5000+ but that's just because I have an AMD bias. I've bought AMDs since my first 1800+ and I don't see any reason to switch so long as they're competitive.

Are you really comparing an OC'd processor to a stock processor? If so, I'd like to consider an OC'd E2160 that will perform on par with a stock 6400+ BE. Seriously.. You make a good point though. It took the 5000+ BE 3.1 GHz to match a stock E6750 at 2.66 GHz.

Best bang for the buck in my opinion is an E2160. Get a DFI Blood Iron.

If you don't mind me asking, what's the total budget? Wirelessfender and I have been throwing around some sub-$700 ideas for Intel based PCs.

 

[Dunkel]

That's about my budget. I have a build list in the New system build thread.

 

[Dunkel]

What is a DFI blood iron?

 

[cnumartyr]

I posted over there, and the DFI Blood Iron is a GREAT overclocking board for budget builders. It held my Q6600 at 3.2 GHz. It is insane for dual cores but problems overclocking quads really high. It could keep my Q6600 at 3.6 GHz for 5-6 hours at a time.

 

[Loser777]

Pick up a good HSF either way. I recommend the Big Typhoon VX.

 

[Shadow703793]

Here is a E2180 @3.05 (have it @ 3.2 now):

 

[epsilon84]

Are you really comparing an OC'd processor to a stock processor? If so, I'd like to consider an OC'd E2160 that will perform on par with a stock 6400+ BE. Seriously.. You make a good point though. It took the 5000+ BE 3.1 GHz to match a stock E6750 at 2.66 GHz.

Best bang for the buck in my opinion is an E2160. Get a DFI Blood Iron.

If you don't mind me asking, what's the total budget? Wirelessfender and I have been throwing around some sub-$700 ideas for Intel based PCs.

Actually, at 3.1GHz it only matches a stock E6550 @ 2.33GHz...

I'd agree with you, an overclocked E21x0 chip is the way to go. Even with 1MB L2 cache it's still about 10% faster clock for clock compared to K8.

 

[Silverion77]

Actually, at 3.1GHz it only matches a stock E6550 @ 2.33GHz...

Where did you read this???

At THG @ 3.2 it matched a E6750

 

[zenmaster]

The E2160 simply rocks any other chip out there for the budget concious shopper. It will OC far enough to give more than enough performance for most things and is dirt cheap.

Of course Clubit is now selling the E2180 less than they sell the E2160.
The E2180 there is also less than the E2160 at NewEgg.

Sorta odd and not really a big deal but you may save $2-$3.

 

[compy386]

Are you really comparing an OC'd processor to a stock processor? If so, I'd like to consider an OC'd E2160 that will perform on par with a stock 6400+ BE. Seriously.. You make a good point though. It took the 5000+ BE 3.1 GHz to match a stock E6750 at 2.66 GHz.

To OC the E2160 you have to overclock everything else in your system. The BE only requires you to OC the processor. With both at stock the AMD would still perform better. I don't care what clock speed is to match the intel, I just care about $/performance. Op is clearly looking to build a budget PC. I can tell from your picture that you're an Intel fan. To each his own I guess. I don't think there's much of a difference between either choice. I just like supporting the little guy .

 

[epsilon84]

Where did you read this???

At THG @ 3.2 it matched a E6750

THG's very own 5000+ BE article of course!

Check out the benchmarks here:
http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/10/22/budget_overclocker/page14.html

 

[cnumartyr]

To OC the E2160 you have to overclock everything else in your system. The BE only requires you to OC the processor. With both at stock the AMD would still perform better. I don't care what clock speed is to match the intel, I just care about $/performance. Op is clearly looking to build a budget PC. I can tell from your picture that you're an Intel fan. To each his own I guess. I don't think there's much of a difference between either choice. I just like supporting the little guy .

I understand your point.. Only a bit though.

You don't have to OC everything in the computer, just the CPU and Motherboard. The Memory can be left alone.

Oh btw, I don't support either team, I have built both systems for people and have used a 5000+ BE in a build recently. The reason I have it as my avatar is it's my current "flagship" system. If you have an AMD system that can match that with a single card be my guest to show it up and I'll gladly switch!

Anyways.. Now that it's cleared up some. Let me say that once you start OCing; the 2160 and a decent motherboard will easily reach and surpass anything AMD has to offer in the dual core arena right now. That's just how it is, I'm sorry.

 

[Silverion77]

THG's very own 5000+ BE article of course!

Check out the benchmarks here:
http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/10/22/budget_overclocker/page14.html

O....my bad, i thought you were talking about the E21x0

 

[epsilon84]

To OC the E2160 you have to overclock everything else in your system. The BE only requires you to OC the processor. With both at stock the AMD would still perform better. I don't care what clock speed is to match the intel, I just care about $/performance. Op is clearly looking to build a budget PC. I can tell from your picture that you're an Intel fan. To each his own I guess. I don't think there's much of a difference between either choice. I just like supporting the little guy .

Oh noes! I'm overclocking EVERYTHING else in my system! Including my mouse, my keyboard, my HDD, my LCD, my soundcard, my DVD, my NIC, OMG dude! :lol:

It's called FSB overclocking dude, the only thing besides the CPU that is 'overclocked' is the chipset, and it's not any more difficult that pure multiplier overclocking.

An E2200 would be a good match for an X2 5000+ BE at stock, and own it in overclocking. Nuff said.

 

[cnumartyr]

Oh noes! I'm overclocking EVERYTHING else in my system! Including my mouse, my keyboard, my HDD, my LCD, my soundcard, my DVD, my NIC, OMG dude! :lol:

It's called FSB overclocking dude, the only thing besides the CPU that is 'overclocked' is the chipset, and it's not any more difficult that pure multiplier overclocking.

An E2200 would be a good match for an X2 5000+ BE at stock, and own it in overclocking. Nuff said.

I gots an idea.

$1000 Budget. Full system, Speakers, mouse, monitor, OS, everything top to bottom.

He can build an AMD system, I'll build an intel system. Benching 3DMark06 default settings.

Winner takes home both systems.

 

[Evilonigiri]

I gots an idea.

$1000 Budget. Full system, Speakers, mouse, monitor, OS, everything top to bottom.

He can build an AMD system, I'll build an intel system. Benching 3DMark06 default settings.

Winner takes home both systems.

Are you thinking what I'm thinking...???

 

[zenmaster]

To OC the E2160 you have to overclock everything else in your system. The BE only requires you to OC the processor. With both at stock the AMD would still perform better. I don't care what clock speed is to match the intel, I just care about $/performance. Op is clearly looking to build a budget PC. I can tell from your picture that you're an Intel fan. To each his own I guess. I don't think there's much of a difference between either choice. I just like supporting the little guy .

Absolutely not true.
It clearly shows your lack of understanding of adjusting the speeds of Intel Chips.

If you buy an E2160 (Default 200FSB) and set the FSB to 333 (Standard FSB for Current Intel Chipsets) the result will be 3.0Ghz and nothing else is even slightly OC'd. Likely your RAM may even still be under clocked at this point in time.

Considering you still need be buy a cooler for the 5000+, it costs more to start, it does not look like the choice for someone on a budget.

Feel free to buy AMD to support the "Little Multi-Billion Dollar Company", but I will just suggest what best serves the small guy and not a multi-billion dollar corporation.