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x1650 series is this a XT board!!!!

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January 18, 2008 5:21:36 AM

hi everyone,
I purchased a x1650xt 512 128bit ,but my problem is that i get very poor performance in fps.

the system information in display say I have a x1650 series card ,but not x1650 xt!!!

I was wondering if this is a x1650XT! as my old 9800XT when i had it in my system running wouls display as 9800XT!

But the x1650XT does not display the XT in the system information of my PC.

Does anyone know what this x1650 series is! Is this the lowend of the x1650 series ,because I thought if you had a PRO or XT running in your system, the system information would display that model!.

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a c 130 U Graphics card
January 18, 2008 6:13:15 AM


No mine comes up as a 1650 series also.
What are the other specs of your system and what do you consider to be poor performance.
The 9800XT was as far as i know the only 9800 that had a R360 chip while the 1650XT and GT run the same chip so that may be why it is listed like this i have a couple of applications for anti virus etc an dthey pick it up the same.
Mactronix
January 18, 2008 7:27:51 AM

I had a x1650XT from Sapphire that worked very well. Got good FPS even if not with all eyecandy at 12x10 res.

Mine appeared also as a 1650 no XT series. U could try the GPU-Z software and check for the right type of core (RV560).
What brand is it?

hope this helped.
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January 18, 2008 9:54:24 AM

thanks guys for your comments.

This x1650 card is a real dog of a card after reading the reviews about this card i thought it was a good card ,but this one is crap!!!

its runs like a 9600 and its bottlenecking my system like a golfball going through a garden hose!!!!

It could be the pathetic 128bit memory speed chocking the crap out of the card.

Don't know why ATI would put 128bit on a XT card .

I can't understand that!!!!

my system spec:
p4 3Gb HT
p4p800 deluxe
x1650XT 512mg 128bit (so they say its XT)
2Gb system Vdata dual channel
a c 130 U Graphics card
January 18, 2008 11:40:26 AM

So mike as i said before you say its running crap so when you say poor performance what do you consider to be poor performance. Give us some examples of games/res AA/AF and what kind of FPS you are getting.
Mactronix
January 18, 2008 12:53:56 PM

i was going to ask exactly the same... IMO my old 1650XT 256 128bit did very well in most 2006-2007 games :p 

and I've checked a little bit to see whether there were x1650XT with 512 MB and i only found the x1650pro had that amount of VRAM.

are u sure u have an XT?



January 18, 2008 1:04:16 PM

ok, are you ready for this!!!!

Game : Rfactor!

game is running at medium to low to fight choppy fps 30-40

res 1024 16bit vsnic/off
all AA/Af off
all video drivers: App only
dx7
refresh rate 75 Hz
30-40 fps in game

pretty pathetic hey!!!
and the saddest thing about it all i payed $383 AU for it.
in system display it only says x1650 series and not x1650xt!

The way its running its definitly not an XT
This card claims to run at : Vcore 600mHz
this is the biggest jke of all and hold your breath and try not to laugh too hard
memory speed: 1.46 GHz memory speed.

Yeah right!!!!

my ATI 9600 128mg card runs better than this.

Don't buy a x1650xt they are the worst card i have every own it gives me nothing but greif!!!!!!!!!

As an example to give you an idea of what fps i was getting before this piece of **** of a card ,I had installed a 9800xt 256mg running and i was getting around 100 fps in 1024 with everything on full. No problems!!!!






a b U Graphics card
January 18, 2008 2:58:43 PM

An X1650XT will destroy a 9800XT in any GPU limited game. You've got a problem if the 9800XT outperforms it at the same settings. I have tested an X1650XT vs X800XTPE vs X1650 pro GDDR3 vs 9800 pro, and the X1650XT destroyed the 9800 pro and is comparable to the X800XTPE ( and 7600GT, 6800U, X850XT). An X1650 pro with slow GDDR2 would even beat the 9800XT.
a c 130 U Graphics card
January 18, 2008 3:03:16 PM

Is it getting all the power it needs ?
a b U Graphics card
January 18, 2008 7:43:53 PM

They are power hungry cards for sure. While overkill IMO to set the power requirement equal to a x1950 pro, my His iceQ X1650XT states 450W with 30 amp 12v on the box. Typically I'd think he would have instability though and not lousy performance. But if it's got less than 22 amps on the 12v, it's probably not enough for the X1650XT. I'd want 26 amp to be safe.
January 18, 2008 8:09:29 PM

mike27466 said:
ok, are you ready for this!!!!

Game : Rfactor!

game is running at medium to low to fight choppy fps 30-40

res 1024 16bit vsnic/off
all AA/Af off
all video drivers: App only
dx7
refresh rate 75 Hz
30-40 fps in game

pretty pathetic hey!!!
and the saddest thing about it all i payed $383 AU for it.
in system display it only says x1650 series and not x1650xt!

The way its running its definitly not an XT
This card claims to run at : Vcore 600mHz
this is the biggest jke of all and hold your breath and try not to laugh too hard
memory speed: 1.46 GHz memory speed.

Yeah right!!!!

my ATI 9600 128mg card runs better than this.

Don't buy a x1650xt they are the worst card i have every own it gives me nothing but greif!!!!!!!!!

As an example to give you an idea of what fps i was getting before this piece of **** of a card ,I had installed a 9800xt 256mg running and i was getting around 100 fps in 1024 with everything on full. No problems!!!!


ok.. what I see, is that the game is running in DX7 mode??? are the drivers up to date, DX upto date, ect.. The games site supports dx9, so make sure your actually using it!


also, if this is an actual ATI branded card, the p/n of the card (which is on a white label with a bar code as well) will allow you(us) to verify the exact model # of the card
January 19, 2008 2:37:53 AM

you maybe right there on the power supply!

my power supply is tsunami P4 500w
model No: N 14311
115VAC max output : 20.0a
7Amax max output : 28.0a
60H 20.0a

i checked my voltage in bios and the reading is 12v : 11.369v

so as you can see the voltage is low .

any ideas on what power supply i should get
a b U Graphics card
January 19, 2008 2:55:58 AM

Even the Earthwatts 430W has enough 12v for that card (30 amp). It's cheap here, but not sure where you live.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Name brand Tier 3 or better PSU with 30 amp 12v should do it. If it states max watts for 12v rails just divide it by 12 (360w max 12 volt = 36/12 = 30 amps)

You can double check this thread to see max combine 12v which sometimes isn't listed on the label. http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=205763

January 19, 2008 3:53:44 AM

Remind me again why you paid $383 (AU or not) for this card? I'm sure you could have gotten atleast an HD 3850 with that.
January 19, 2008 5:21:59 AM

i payed $383 11 months ago ,but i didn't try the x1650 for awhile as i had the 9800xt running.

I know its sounds rediculas but back in early 07 these cards were new and abit more pricey ,but i hope its the power supply thats slowing the card down.

I want to get a 2x 12v rail with 40a 550w-750w power supply should do the trick
a c 176 U Graphics card
January 19, 2008 6:36:20 AM

Don't expect miracles just because its an XT card. An XT lowend card will still behave like a lowend card. The x1650 series is a midrange card, and the fastest (XT) will still be a midrange card. The x1650XT should be JUST faster then a 7600GT. We usually told people to buy the 7600GT because they were cheaper, and you'd never notice the ~-1% anyways...

I would grab a new psu and see if that helps. ATX specs say you shouldn't be more then 5% out of range, which means your 12V rail shouldn't dip below 11.4. Seeing as you are at ~11.3, I'd get a new one.

Keep posting back what scores you get in games. I've never heard of Rfactor, and you shouldn't judge performance just because of one game.
January 19, 2008 7:06:08 AM

mike27466 said:
thanks guys for your comments.

This x1650 card is a real dog of a card after reading the reviews about this card i thought it was a good card ,but this one is crap!!!

its runs like a 9600 and its bottlenecking my system like a golfball going through a garden hose!!!!

It could be the pathetic 128bit memory speed chocking the crap out of the card.

Don't know why ATI would put 128bit on a XT card .

I can't understand that!!!!

my system spec:
p4 3Gb HT
p4p800 deluxe
x1650XT 512mg 128bit (so they say its XT)
2Gb system Vdata dual channel


You sure your borderline obsolete system isn't the garden hose? I mean its on an AGP bus with a P4?
January 19, 2008 7:12:02 AM

That is very weird...I have a friend that has an x1300xt and his card's performance was a lot better than I was expecting...his card can play almost any recent title (not with all the eye candy, but it still looks really nice)
January 19, 2008 12:49:07 PM

Yeah! don't underestemate the agp! with a good pc running agp you can still run any game with good results.

I'm staying with agp as I know with a good psu and cpu ram and video,you can still get good satisfaction in your games.

Nothing wrong with pci ,I just want to wait till pci will get they bit & bandwidth speeds worked out first.

But out of them all agp and pci has given us some damn good game play no matter what game we play.

Amagine if we didnt have computers where would we all be doing instead.
a b U Graphics card
January 19, 2008 2:55:44 PM

Rfactor is a racing sim and the hardware requirements are very low. 1.6GHz, 512MB, Ti4200 or R9200.
http://www.rfactor.net/index.php?page=features

Still the recommended specs are quite high C2De6600, 2GB, X1900GT or 7900GT.
January 19, 2008 3:16:47 PM

mike27466 said:
Yeah! don't underestemate the agp! with a good pc running agp you can still run any game with good results.

I'm staying with agp as I know with a good psu and cpu ram and video,you can still get good satisfaction in your games.

Nothing wrong with pci ,I just want to wait till pci will get they bit & bandwidth speeds worked out first.

But out of them all agp and pci has given us some damn good game play no matter what game we play.

Amagine if we didnt have computers where would we all be doing instead.


Well here is what i'm using.

AMD Athlon 3800+ X2 (2GHz x2)
2GB DDR2 800 RAM
X1650XT 256MB (Sapphire - PCI-e) - 600/700(1.4GHz DDR)
RS485M-M
Seagate 7200.10 250GB SATA II - 3.0Gb/s(My board is limited to 1.5Gb/s)
Sceptre Naga X9G (1280x1024 @ 75Hz)
MS Windows Vista Home Premium

This this super low-end setup I am still getting surprising performance with this card. As we all know this card cannot keep pace with the new stuff, but coming from a GeForce 5200FX 128MB I am not complaining! You might wanna look into getting a refund and buying a newer card. For what you said you paid you could have an 8800GT but then again your still using AGP.

Is there anything different about your card compared to mine other than yours has 512MB of memory?
Mine has a slight overclock BTW.


January 19, 2008 3:18:48 PM

pauldh said:
Rfactor is a racing sim and the hardware requirements are very low. 1.6GHz, 512MB, Ti4200 or R9200.
http://www.rfactor.net/index.php?page=features

Still the recommended specs are quite high C2De6600, 2GB, X1900GT or 7900GT.


right.. not much requirements

but, I still think the DX7 line in the previous post is a key here.. is he or is he not running dx9?? if he is running in dx7 mode, a ton of stuff normally done by the gpu will now be done by the cpu.
January 19, 2008 4:53:51 PM

hi i own x1650 and its show's me the same as you
but mine come lower clock speed
500 core clock
800 memory clock

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102084

but seriously i can play
call of duty 4 medium to "high"
crysis low to "medium"
pro street medium to "high"
world in conflict "medium"
other games like oblivion , C&C3, carbon , FEAR almost high,
but most of them without AA
the card is running along with 5600+ and 2 gig
for me its performing very great
a c 130 U Graphics card
January 19, 2008 5:33:03 PM


To michigante ddybear
Its not the DX7 i know where you are coming from but mike has posted about this before and i downloaded the game and ran it on a similar system to his for a comparison, I changed the DX version about and it made no performance differance.
I think we decided it was maybee the P4 that was killing his performance based on some res tests that he ran.
Hi mike didnt realise it was you at first, Still no joy then i see could you post a screen shot like SinxarKnights did using photobucket or some other app then we can see if there is any thing obviously wrong with the spec of the card.
Mactronix
January 19, 2008 6:00:16 PM

I had the agp version with 256m of gddr3 and it was a great card.
I will attest to it being able to play all above-mentioned games.

I just gave it to a friend, He's pretty happy with it too.
January 20, 2008 11:55:05 AM

Thanks Mactronix and everyone with your comments.

After extensive testing and benchtesting,with testing from various resolutions to dx7 and dx9 ,I found no real differences in fps and performance.

I'm coming to the concluion thats the poor performance is a lacking power supply!

the psu is a 500w 28a single rail 12v , and i think this is the problem ,where the psu just isnt giving the x1650xt the power it needs!

Also I have 3 hhd running where alot od power is proberly taken up the resourses of the amperage.

these x1650xt cards require a minimuim of 30a from the psu ,so as you can see ,my psu is only 28a. And thats when its maxed out!

I do need to get a another psu anyway for backup ,because i always like to have spare parts incase i have an component go on me.

I think if i get a twin 12v rail 40a 550-750w psu ,I bet my balls that i will get more performance out of the x1650xt!

Its makes sence also when I was testing the benchmark tests in resolutions and dx7 and 9 that there was no difference in fps or performance, simply because of the lack of psu power to get the x1650 to work at its best.

Really when you think about it the psu is the heart of the pc ,because if the pc isnt getting the required power it needs , certain components will slow down,depending on how much they require.

you can have all the best components(cpu,ram,videocard,momo) but if the psu is lacking in amperage then you will certainly get lower performance and even in some cases unstable systems crashing and freezing up.

cheers mike

January 21, 2008 2:31:50 AM

Good luck there mike...let us know if the power supply solves ur problem...
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