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What to choose: 8800 GT in SLI or one 8800 GTX

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January 20, 2008 2:01:09 PM

Hey people,

i need your help on this one. I am going to by a graphics card at the end of the week but i do not know what to go for. I am comtemplating between two 8800 GT in SLI or One 8800 GTX. The prices are more or less the same. I ve heard that the GTX is better for higher resoultions but my monitor only goes up to 1680 x 1050. Which one of these would perform better on my comp?

My rig: Intel Q6600 @2.44GHz, Asus Striker Extreme, 500GB HDD, 2GB RAM, Case - Nzxt Lexa Blackline and monitor - Samsung Syncmaster 226BW.

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January 20, 2008 2:26:09 PM

8800GT..Why becuase half the time it best's the GTX and Rival's the Ultra...If you had two in SLI it would give everything currently offered on the market right now a run for it's money...
a c 88 U Graphics card
January 20, 2008 2:32:58 PM

why not get one of those new 8800GTS 512MB? faster than the GT and cooler/more silent as well.
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January 20, 2008 2:38:23 PM

Ive heard that the GT gets pretty hot, is that true?
January 20, 2008 2:44:40 PM

If the price for 2 8800GT is basically equal to 1 8800GTX, then for sure 2 GTs would be the way to go. Even just 1 8800GT is only marginally slower than 1 GTX. 2 GTs in SLI will own a GTX for about the same price.
a c 273 U Graphics card
January 20, 2008 2:50:55 PM

I'm in a similar position as your good self and I've decided to go for the newer GPU and a couple of Alpha Dogs.
January 20, 2008 3:13:30 PM

If it were me, I'd get 8800gts 512. SLI just makes no sense anyway you cut it. Games that are comfortable with 8800 gpu in general are very happy with a single card and games that find 8800 too slow (like crysis) still think the same of triple sli ultras. You get no actual gaming benefit with sli: in non crysys games at your resolution you get more than playable frame rates- sli or no sli.

What I’d do is get that one GTS and save the rest for the next big thing- 9800x2 or 3870x2.

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January 21, 2008 9:09:16 AM

him17 said:
Ive heard that the GT gets pretty hot, is that true?


With the stock cooler mine idled at around 50c under load it would shoot up too 65-75c..But i went down and bought a Zalman VF900 VGA cooler and now it idles at 35c and only gets up to 45c when under full load!

The Zalman only cost's 35 buck's
January 21, 2008 9:15:56 AM

I totally agree Eodeo. SLI just isn't worth it, especially since the only game that a 8800GT or 8800GTS G92 is going to have a problem with is Crysis, which like you said, is going to kill you anyways. The only reason i'd go SLI, is if you are playing games at a high ass resolution like 19x12. If you are rich enough though, go for it.

On a side note, maybe you should wait for the 3870 X2. They look to be the best card for the money. Usually 3870 CF will beat 8800GT SLI. So that might be right up your alley. You'd also get the benefit of only powering one card and it being on one PCB. Plus ATI has native HDMI support, way better HDTV support, and a lot of people are reporting better IQ out of them. I can't confirm the better IQ, since I don't actually own an ATI card.
a c 273 U Graphics card
January 21, 2008 5:16:18 PM

eodeo said:
You get no actual gaming benefit with sli


[:mousemonkey:1] Oh how little you know.
January 21, 2008 5:37:24 PM

I'd normally suggest against SLI, but 2 X 8800GT is better than 1 8800GTX.

Instead, why not settle for 1 8800GTS 512MB?
January 21, 2008 5:40:18 PM

For everyone who says the 8800 GTS is hot.. Learn to fan control.

60C load and it's heavily OC'd and not even running 100% fan speed. The stock cooler is great if you know how to use it.

The target temp for the card is 78C so of course it's going to run hot if you don't manually turn the fan up.

Edit: I got the target temp for the card by pulling the BIOS off the card. Thermal shut down is 100C.
January 21, 2008 5:41:41 PM

So says a 8800GTS 512MB user.
January 21, 2008 6:28:34 PM

What will be better, two 8800 GTX or one 9800 gx2?
January 21, 2008 6:38:55 PM

spaztic7 said:
What will be better, two 8800 GTX or one 9800 gx2?

I'd say they will be close, depending on what game.

9800GX2 is supposedly 30% better than an Ultra, and an Ultra is 10% better than a GTX.

The theoretical maximum performance of SLI is 80%, but most of the time it's probably around 50%.

So...

1.3 x 1.1 x (GTX) = 1.43(GTX)

The 9800GX2 is around 43% faster than the GTX.

Assuming SLI yields only 50% more performance, the SLIed GTX are 7% points faster than the 9800GX2.

This is all assumption, so like I said, it'll be close, depending on what game.
a c 273 U Graphics card
January 21, 2008 6:42:59 PM

Neither really, 2 GTX's would cost far more than they are worth and the 9800 GX2 may well have the same 'issues' as its predecessor the 7950 GX2.
January 21, 2008 10:57:12 PM

i passed from a hd2900xt to asus 8800gtx and i like my nvidia really much

40 fps avg in crysis ( 1600x1050 - dx9 all high ) and its really playable ..

i dont regret my purchase
January 21, 2008 11:24:42 PM

Kari said:
why not get one of those new 8800GTS 512MB? faster than the GT and cooler/more silent as well.



Agreed^

The GT has a crappy GPU cooler and the 8800GTS 512MB G92 has a better cooler with a larger fan system. Let me show you how tiny the GT fan is compared to the GTS fan. The price isn't that much either between the two, and I hear the GTS OC's much better also.


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By systemlord at 2008-01-15


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By systemlord at 2008-01-15
January 21, 2008 11:31:43 PM

xx12amanxx said:
With the stock cooler mine idled at around 50c under load it would shoot up too 65-75c..But i went down and bought a Zalman VF900 VGA cooler and now it idles at 35c and only gets up to 45c when under full load!

The Zalman only cost's 35 buck's



You shouldn't have to buy a better GPU cooler when buying a new graphics card, it should come with a good one from the start. The 8800GTS 512MB G92 comes with a great already proven cooler thats been on the 8800GTX for about a year now. I'm still running the stock cooler with the OC in my signature, my OC is above average for an older 90nm process fab.
a b U Graphics card
January 22, 2008 7:21:42 AM

2* 8800GT will often be way ahead of a GTX or GTS 512MB even at your 1680x1050 res. Just depends on the game and level of fsaa you use.

(In Crysis)Two 8800GTS 512MB gives a boost of 20 fps over a single GTS 512MB at 16x12 for FS. And overclocking a single GTS only gave them 3-5 fps increase.
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/nvidia_geforce_8800...

Lost planet had a playable difference too at 16x12. And again OC'in one card only gave a boost of 2-3 fps vs 28 fps for SLI(look at their oc results page)
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/nvidia_geforce_8800...

Games like COD4 or even Oblivion, one card does a good job maxing out. You'd really have to crank fsaa to hurt one card. But that can make for a better gaming expereince. Still SLI scales well though in COD4 posting a 62% increase and Oblivion a 73% increase at 16x12 4x/16x:
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/nvidia_geforce_8800...
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/nvidia_geforce_8800...

So really it totallly depends on the games you play and how much you desire to crank eye candy. Some games the only benefit beside higher fps than needed will be the ability to crank eye candy like run SLI AA, SSAA or 16Q CSAA. In a game like Oblivion, that can make a noticeable difference on the trees and grass. Anyway, Anyone who thinks SLI makes no difference apart from crysis is just wrong. High resolution and/or max eye candy it can help alot in many games. May or may not be worth it varying from person to person.

Anyway, one 8800GTS 512MB, 8800GTX, or even one 8800GT is an excellent option. But if you play crysis or like to explore new levels of eye candy, and are willing to mess with SLI and accept varrying levels of gain, then don't hesitate to go with two cards either. personally, I am glad I bought two cards and I play at 16x10 too.
January 22, 2008 11:49:10 AM

Mousemonkey said:
But would you buy two of them, really?? [:mousemonkey:2]


I already have one, so another would not be a big deal. I just want to wait and see how the 9800 line will do and how much the 8800 GTX will drop in price.
a b U Graphics card
January 22, 2008 11:57:19 AM

systemlord said:
You shouldn't have to buy a better GPU cooler when buying a new graphics card, it should come with a good one from the start. The 8800GTS 512MB G92 comes with a great already proven cooler thats been on the 8800GTX for about a year now. I'm still running the stock cooler with the OC in my signature, my OC is above average for an older 90nm process fab.

I agree with you. Poor design on the 8800GT.... Great card/lousy cooler. GTS is worth the extra $ at current prices IMO.
January 22, 2008 3:40:15 PM

systemlord said:
You shouldn't have to buy a better GPU cooler when buying a new graphics card, it should come with a good one from the start. The 8800GTS 512MB G92 comes with a great already proven cooler thats been on the 8800GTX for about a year now. I'm still running the stock cooler with the OC in my signature, my OC is above average for an older 90nm process fab.


True but think about it..the card would have never failed becuase it's temps were a little warm. Me im the kind of buyer that likes to replace thing's even if they work good. The Zalman is even better than the cooler which the 8800GTS(G92) uses.

The real question is if the GTS(G92) is worth the premium over the GT?...But thats not what the OP even asked anyway so i guess it doesnt matter.
January 22, 2008 4:18:50 PM

xx12amanxx said:
True but think about it..the card would have never failed becuase it's temps were a little warm. Me im the kind of buyer that likes to replace thing's even if they work good. The Zalman is even better than the cooler which the 8800GTS(G92) uses.

The real question is if the GTS(G92) is worth the premium over the GT?...But thats not what the OP even asked anyway so i guess it doesnt matter.



Not everyone will or has that kind of $$ to go out and buy a new graphics card only then to replace the cooler with yet another one costing more $$ simply because you can is not a wise investment. I could have bought a better cooler for my 8800GTX, but then I would have to ask myself whats wrong with the one that came with it. I don't think I would get a better overclock on my 8800GTX with a better cooler, its already way above average and am very happy with the OC'ing results.
January 22, 2008 5:13:26 PM

I am currently running a quad core Q6600 overclocked to 3.2 ghz and an sli'd BFG 8800GT OC setup. With only one 8800 GT in the system my 3dMark06 score was around 12,000+.. With 2 Cards Sli'd.. I hit 17,584.

Don't tell me Sli doesnt have any use or purpose. It's worth every penny. I game on a 24" LCD at 1900 X 1200 btw, and my system tears through any game I've thrown at it.

Go with the twin 8800GT setup.. You'll be happy.
January 22, 2008 5:40:01 PM

dragoncyber said:
I am currently running a quad core Q6600 overclocked to 3.2 ghz and an sli'd BFG 8800GT OC setup. With only one 8800 GT in the system my 3dMark06 score was around 12,000+.. With 2 Cards Sli'd.. I hit 17,584.

Don't tell me Sli doesnt have any use or purpose. It's worth every penny. I game on a 24" LCD at 1900 X 1200 btw, and my system tears through any game I've thrown at it.

Go with the twin 8800GT setup.. You'll be happy.


*Yawn*

I'm glad you used a benchmark that most setups and drivers are optimized for.

How does it do in Crysis with Single Card vs Dual Card? What about some other real benchmarks? 3D Mark06 is great, but it's like comparing Synthetics... it's not real.







Pics are from expreview. As you can see, if there was a card just 30-50% faster than the 8800 GT it would be better in almost all situations. Sorry I'm just anti-SLI in general. I realize it's the only way to go for 1920x1200s, but Ultras still rule high resolution and AA thanks to the Memory Bus and ROPs.
January 22, 2008 6:18:17 PM

systemlord said:
Not everyone will or has that kind of $$ to go out and buy a new graphics card only then to replace the cooler with yet another one costing more $$ simply because you can is not a wise investment. I could have bought a better cooler for my 8800GTX, but then I would have to ask myself whats wrong with the one that came with it. I don't think I would get a better overclock on my 8800GTX with a better cooler, its already way above average and am very happy with the OC'ing results.



35$..Is (that kind of $$)??? Maybe to you.

Let's say you buy an 8800GT for 260$ then spend another 35$ on this cooler which is far superior to which the GTS(G92) has. your total is only 295$...Now the cheapest GTS(G92) is 309$..So you end up with a card with the best cooling besides water there is on the market right now Thats only on average 10% slower than an GTS(G92)..But with mentioned cooler can overclock"I have mine at 710/1000".

Or you can buy the cheapest non overclocked GTS(G92) for 309$ thats on average 10% faster and can overclock no further than the above mentioned 8800GT becuase of how much better the cooler is. See you want to spend more money for soo little gain maybe your the one with "all the money".
And let's say you install the VF900 Cooler on the GTS(G92) Since it is the same card,you would not be able to overclock it any more than the GT with said Cooler beacuase it's the same card with some extra stream processor's..

January 22, 2008 6:58:44 PM

xx12amanxx said:
35$..Is (that kind of $$)??? Maybe to you.

Let's say you buy an 8800GT for 260$ then spend another 35$ on this cooler which is far superior to which the GTS(G92) has. your total is only 295$...Now the cheapest GTS(G92) is 309$..So you end up with a card with the best cooling besides water there is on the market right now Thats only on average 10% slower than an GTS(G92)..But with mentioned cooler can overclock"I have mine at 710/1000".

Or you can buy the cheapest non overclocked GTS(G92) for 309$ thats on average 10% faster and can overclock no further than the above mentioned 8800GT becuase of how much better the cooler is. See you want to spend more money for soo little gain maybe your the one with "all the money".
And let's say you install the VF900 Cooler on the GTS(G92) Since it is the same card,you would not be able to overclock it any more than the GT with said Cooler beacuase it's the same card with some extra stream processor's..


Maybe you should have thought some more...

My 8800 GTS does 800 MHz core daily without a problem on the stock cooler. Shaders are in the 1900 MHz area, and memory is around 2200 MHz DDR.

HR-03GT is the best Air Cooler Right now, and it's hardly $35. Then you have to get a fan for it.
a b U Graphics card
January 22, 2008 8:53:04 PM

cnumartyr said:
*Yawn*

How does it do in Crysis with Single Card vs Dual Card? What about some other real benchmarks? 3D Mark06 is great, but it's like comparing Synthetics... it's not real.


I agree about 3dmark's and don't even bother with them apart from stability testing. Anyway, I'll answer this for him. Crysis I am playing 1680x1050 2xaa/16xaf and see a 55% increase with two 8800GT's vs 1 8800GT at those settings. Completely different...1 card = unplayable and the need to turn off aa and af and still have lower fps.

It was talked about in this thread, but to recap:

System specs in sig
Q6600 @ 3.0Ghz, 8800's at factory defaults.
Patch 1.1 with 169.28 beta drivers
16850x1050, all high settings.

0xaa/0xaf Single - 30.68 fps ave, SLI - 41.00 fps ave + 33.64%
2xaa/0xaf Single - 25.09 fps ave, SLI - 37.54 fps ave + 49.62%
4xaa/0xaf Single - 21.00 fps ave, SLI - 30.32 fps ave + 44.38%

0xaa/16xaf Single - 26.32 fps ave, SLI - 37.84 fps ave + 43.77%
2xaa/16xaf Single - 21.99 fps ave, SLI - 34.19 fps ave + 55.48%
4xaa/16xaf Single - 17.63 fps ave, SLI - 27.19 fps ave + 54.23%

2-8800GT will easily beat an OC'ed 8800 Ultra in crysis when you push the eye candy. More performance is still needed, but SLI is the best way to play Crysis IMO.

a b U Graphics card
January 22, 2008 9:00:50 PM

cnumartyr said:
Sorry I'm just anti-SLI in general. I realize it's the only way to go for 1920x1200s, but Ultras still rule high resolution and AA thanks to the Memory Bus and ROPs.

Ultras are great performers, but one ultra doesn't do squat in Crysis. Push res and aa and you'l be in single digits. ;)  three isn't even enough. :pfff: 
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/nvidia_3-way_sli_pe...
January 22, 2008 9:06:31 PM

pauldh said:
Ultras are great performers, but one ultra doesn't do squat in Crysis. Push res and aa and you'l be in single digits. ;)  three isn't even enough. :pfff: 
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/nvidia_3-way_sli_pe...


I know what you mean, but we both know Crysis is the exception rather than the rule.
January 22, 2008 9:35:54 PM

xx12amanxx said:
35$..Is (that kind of $$)??? Maybe to you.

Let's say you buy an 8800GT for 260$ then spend another 35$ on this cooler which is far superior to which the GTS(G92) has. your total is only 295$...Now the cheapest GTS(G92) is 309$..So you end up with a card with the best cooling besides water there is on the market right now Thats only on average 10% slower than an GTS(G92)..But with mentioned cooler can overclock"I have mine at 710/1000".

Or you can buy the cheapest non overclocked GTS(G92) for 309$ thats on average 10% faster and can overclock no further than the above mentioned 8800GT becuase of how much better the cooler is. See you want to spend more money for soo little gain maybe your the one with "all the money".
And let's say you install the VF900 Cooler on the GTS(G92) Since it is the same card,you would not be able to overclock it any more than the GT with said Cooler beacuase it's the same card with some extra stream processor's..


The reason I recommended the 8800GTS (G92) was not just because of the great cooler, it was because they overclock like speed demons when compared to the 8800GT. The 8800GTS (G92) overclock much better than the 8800GT's, I know a lot of friends who have an 8800GTS (G92) with OC's at or above 800MHz with the stock cooler. I know knowone who has an 8800GT with a similar OC, clearly the 8800GTS (G92) have the full 128 SP's and is just a better piece of silicon.


Quote:
See you want to spend more money for soo little gain maybe your the one with "all the money".


Little gain, if 800MHz plus is little gain from 710MHz, maybe you should rethink your statement above. :bounce:  Theres no reason to be a smartallec about it though. :non: 
January 22, 2008 9:44:30 PM

cnumartyr said:
Maybe you should have thought some more...

My 8800 GTS does 800 MHz core daily without a problem on the stock cooler. Shaders are in the 1900 MHz area, and memory is around 2200 MHz DDR.

HR-03GT is the best Air Cooler Right now, and it's hardly $35. Then you have to get a fan for it.



Wow, you must have been posting yours right before me. Yep heres another 800MHz like I've been saying, xX12amanXx are you sure theres still little gain in going for an 8800GTS G92? :hello: 
January 22, 2008 9:54:04 PM

systemlord said:
Wow, you must have been posting yours right before me. Yep heres another 800MHz like I've been saying, xX12amanXx are you sure theres still little gain in going for an 8800GTS G92? :hello: 


I dunno.. what's better? 112 SPs at 710 MHz or 128 at 800 MHz? Did I mention it benches at 820/2030/1107? By the way that's not in DDR on that ram, DDR would make it 2214 MHz. :kaola: 

I got my 8800 GTS with Crysis for $339. Yea, it was a great deal. I know more than one person who pounced on it, and all of them are game stable at 800 MHz core on the stock cooler.
a b U Graphics card
January 22, 2008 10:00:45 PM

systemlord said:
Yep heres another 800MHz like I've been saying
Me thinks both of you should trade your GTS for one of my GT; having your two cards together would be so freakin' sweet. Deal? :ange: 
January 22, 2008 10:05:21 PM

cnumartyr said:
I dunno.. what's better? 112 SPs at 710 MHz or 128 at 800 MHz? Did I mention it benches at 820/2030/1107? By the way that's not in DDR on that ram, DDR would make it 2214 MHz. :kaola: 

I got my 8800 GTS with Crysis for $339. Yea, it was a great deal. I know more than one person who pounced on it, and all of them are game stable at 800 MHz core on the stock cooler.


The 8800 Ultra was never worth the money places were selling them for, they ran very hot and weren't much better than an OC'ed 8800GTX. Your spec's are way above an Ultra. :ouch:  I'm still stuck at 651MHz core, 1525MHz Shader, 2100MHz V memory. Does the 8800GTS G92 have 24 ROP's?
January 22, 2008 10:10:37 PM

systemlord said:
The 8800 Ultra was never worth the money places were selling them for, they ran very hot and weren't much better than an OC'ed 8800GTX. Your spec's are way above an Ultra. :ouch:  I'm still stuck at 651MHz core, 1525MHz Shader, 2100MHz V memory. Does the 8800GTS G92 have 24 ROP's?



Nah.... the memory and the ROPs are the weakness.

256 Bit and 16 ROP.

I *WISH* there would be a 9800 GTX with 512 Bit Memory Bus and 24 ROPs on the G92 core with a default 1.25 voltage. 8800 GTS is like 1.15 or something. If they released that card it would destroy everything out right now... The only reason 8800 GTS doesn't demolish the Ultra is the memory and ROPs... :( 
January 22, 2008 10:19:08 PM

cnumartyr said:
Nah.... the memory and the ROPs are the weakness.

256 Bit and 16 ROP.

I *WISH* there would be a 9800 GTX with 512 Bit Memory Bus and 24 ROPs on the G92 core with a default 1.25 voltage. 8800 GTS is like 1.15 or something. If they released that card it would destroy everything out right now... The only reason 8800 GTS doesn't demolish the Ultra is the memory and ROPs... :( 


Not having the full ROP's is like having a twin turbo Boxer flat 6 with a small tail pipe, all those poor little pixels just want out. :lol:  I should lay off the Malibu rum... maybe not :lol: 
January 23, 2008 3:26:07 AM

systemlord said:
The reason I recommended the 8800GTS (G92) was not just because of the great cooler, it was because they overclock like speed demons when compared to the 8800GT. The 8800GTS (G92) overclock much better than the 8800GT's, I know a lot of friends who have an 8800GTS (G92) with OC's at or above 800MHz with the stock cooler. I know knowone who has an 8800GT with a similar OC, clearly the 8800GTS (G92) have the full 128 SP's and is just a better piece of silicon.


Quote:
See you want to spend more money for soo little gain maybe your the one with "all the money".


Little gain, if 800MHz plus is little gain from 710MHz, maybe you should rethink your statement above. :bounce:  Theres no reason to be a smartallec about it though. :non: 


No it's Cool! Having a good debate is alway's fun. I was getting smartallecy becuase my spydie senses told me you were doing the same..lol

Anyway im not going to lie i havent looked up any OC benchies on the GTS(G92)..I was mostly comparing them to stock. Im not sure why the OP was even considering the GTX when he can get the GTS(G92) which im sure we can both agree kick's it's but. And yeah if you can get an over clock that much it's pretty impressive!
a b U Graphics card
January 23, 2008 3:45:04 AM

xx12amanxx said:
Im not sure why the OP was even considering the GTX when he can get the GTS(G92) which im sure we can both agree kick's it's but.

Kicks it's butt? I don't agree with that. At stock speeds the 8800GTX is better than the 8800GTS 512MB. Sure at times the GTS 512MB rivals the 8800U, but once res and eye candy get cranked the GTX usually pulls ahead. Check out FS's review where the GTS 512MB fall right between the GTX and the GT. http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/nvidia_geforce_8800...

Of course I would buy the 8800GTS 512MB if choosing. Shoot, it's $100 cheaper.


Look through legions GF8 comparison...same story. @ stock speeds the 8800GTX eventually beats the 512MB GTS. Shoot, I'd say if anything, the GTS 512MB is closer to the 8800GT than the 8800GTX. (@ stock speeds)
http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=710&p=4
January 23, 2008 4:58:00 AM

pauldh said:
Kicks it's butt? I don't agree with that. At stock speeds the 8800GTX is better than the 8800GTS 512MB. Sure at times the GTS 512MB rivals the 8800U, but once res and eye candy get cranked the GTX usually pulls ahead. Check out FS's review where the GTS 512MB fall right between the GTX and the GT. http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/nvidia_geforce_8800...

Of course I would buy the 8800GTS 512MB if choosing. Shoot, it's $100 cheaper.


Look through legions GF8 comparison...same story. @ stock speeds the 8800GTX eventually beats the 512MB GTS. Shoot, I'd say if anything, the GTS 512MB is closer to the 8800GT than the 8800GTX. (@ stock speeds)
http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=710&p=4



Even an 800MHz overclock is not enough to beat an 8800GTX because theres this thing called ROP's at the end of the silicon, and the GTX has 24 of them while the GT/GTS only have 16 ROP's. I wonder if the GT/GTS G92 had 24 ROP's how they would perform? Mmmm...
January 23, 2008 7:59:25 AM

They would probably increase the wallet benchmark alot!
January 23, 2008 8:10:43 AM

isnt 3870x2 are 2 3870 on a single card. So, they are the same results as 3870 crossfire vs GTX ULTRA, nothing new.
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