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January 17, 2008 5:19:18 PM

Well have trolling around here for about 8 months and always putting it off I want to finally place my order for the parts. If you guys could take a look at what I was thinking and give any suggestions it would be appreciated. I am especially curious about the Ram I am looking at and what mother board would work best for it. I would also like a reccomendation on a aftermarket cooler that would allow me do to a overclock to 3-3.2 GHZ without being to large of a cooler. Pretty much I am open to any advice on any of the parts. The case is another part I was not quite sure of.

I will be ordering all of these parts from ncix in canada if anyone wants to read more on what I have selected.

Thank you in advance for any help you can supply.

Mish


Motherboard:
ASUS P5K-E ATX LGA775 P35 DDR2 1333FSB 2PCI-E16 3PCI 2PCI-E1 SATA2 RAID Sound GBLAN 1394 Motherboard

or maybe

Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3R ATX LGA775 Conroe P35 DDR2 1PCI-E16 3PCI-E1 SATA RAID Sound GBLAN Motherboard

or

ASUS P5K ATX LGA775 P35 DDR2 2PCI-E16 3PCI 1PCI-E1 SATA2 Sound GBLAN 1394 Motherboard



Processor:
Intel Core 2 Quad 6600 Kentsfield

Video Card:
EVGA E-GEFORCE 8800GTS Crysis Edition 670MHZ 512MB 1.94GHZ DDR3 PCI-E DVI-I HDTV Out Video

RAM:
G.SKILL F2-8000CL5D-4GBPQ PC2-8000 4GB 2X2GB DDR2-1000 CL5-5-5-15 240PIN Dual Channel Memory Kit

or these (diff is only 20$)

G.SKILL F2-6400CL4D-4GBPK PC2-6400 4GB 2X2GB DDR2-800 CL4-4-4-12 240PIN Dual Channel Memory Kit

HDD:
Western Digital SE16 500GB SATA2 7200RPM 16MB Cache 8.9MS NCQ Hard Drive OEM 3YR MFR Warranty

DVD:
Samsung SH-S203N Black SATA DVD+RW 20X8X16 DVD-RW 20X6X16 DL18X/12X Lightscribe DVD Writer OEM W/ SW

Case:
Antec P182 ATX Black Mid Tower Case 4X5.25 1X3.5 6X3.5INT No PS Front USB Audio Firewire

PS:
Corsair CMPSU-620HX 620W ATX Triple 12V 50A 24PIN ATX Modular Power Supply 120MM Fan 2X PCI-E

CPU Cooling:
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and lastly Vista ultimate 64 bit. or would just theHome Premium Edition 64BIT work just as well? I will just be using it for gaming and emails.

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January 17, 2008 5:48:35 PM

The 4-4-4-12 RAM will be a little faster.
If you can wait another week or two, Intel is about to release another set of processors. Whether or not you want one, they may affect prices of existing CPUs.
Good PSU.
Nice case.
An OC to 3.0 GHz can probably be done on the stock cooler. If 3.2 gets too warm, an Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro would be a good inexpensive choice.
January 17, 2008 7:04:49 PM

If you are looking to do SATA for all your drives (magnetic and optical) the DS3R is a good choice, with 8 SATA ports (and it's what I have, for 3 SATA HDDs and 2 SATA opticals). Just make sure you have a floppy drive for the non-Intel RAID controller on 4 of the 8 SATA ports.
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January 18, 2008 5:01:30 AM

I am mainly wondering which board the Ram will work best with.
Also I thought the new CPU's were all dual core. will that still bring down the prices of the quads?
January 18, 2008 5:03:31 AM

Oh one other thing Jtt283 you mentioned the 4-4-4-12 would be faster, but i thought the PC2 8000 would automatically be faster then the PC26400. I don't really understand RAM that well.
January 18, 2008 5:40:20 AM

The Q9450 is out soon (hopefully!) I know its a pain putting your build off :p  but the 12mb cache and 45nm processor will be worth it :) 
January 18, 2008 9:50:07 AM

yes but how much is that thing going to cost.....
January 18, 2008 5:13:14 PM

Mish said:
Oh one other thing Jtt283 you mentioned the 4-4-4-12 would be faster, but i thought the PC2 8000 would automatically be faster then the PC26400. I don't really understand RAM that well.

Anyone else have any comments on this?
January 18, 2008 6:13:00 PM

Each of those RAM will perform just about the same. The tighter timing compensates for slower speed and vice versa. Also, You very likely could run the DDR2 1000 at DDR2 800 CL4 and vice versa. There really isn't much difference.

As for CPU cooler, get the Thermalright Ultra 120 extreme. Just about the best available air cooler. You have a nice system there. Don't skimp on the cooler. With the U120x, you could probably hit 3.4ghz+.
January 18, 2008 6:50:08 PM

The system I built for Christmas is very similar to your selections, its under my name to the left. It plays all the new games great and was very easy to overclock. If you like Blue check out my case and keyboard, they look very cool.
January 21, 2008 10:05:26 PM

Ok i changed my mind on a few parts after reading about these new CPU's. Would you guys mind taking a look at this please.


I am looking at placing my order today for my new computer. I was wondering you guys might have any suggestions for some ram from www.ncix.com (that is where I am getting the rest) If you could also take a look at everything else I am getting and make any suggestions I would appreciate it. I want to be able to overclok the E8400 to about 4ghz. Thi swill be my first time trying to overclock as well.

Also is Vista Ultimate edition over kill? Would the normal 64bit one work just as well. I will be only using this computer for gaming and emails.


Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3L ATX LGA775 P35 1333FSB 1PCI-E16 3PCI-E1 3PCI SATA2 Sound GBLAN Motherboard


Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Dual Core Processor LGA775 3.0GHZ Wolfdale 1333FSB 6MB Retail *Limi *IR-$20*

Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate Edition 64BIT DVD OEM

EVGA E-GEFORCE 8800GTS Crysis Edition 670MHZ 512MB 1.94GHZ DDR3 PCI-E DVI-I HDTV Out Video *IR-$20*

Antec Truepower Trio 650W Power Supply ATX12V V2.0 Active PFC SLI Certified 120MM Fan

Antec P182 ATX Black Mid Tower Case 4X5.25 1X3.5 6X3.5INT No PS Front USB Audio Firewire


Western Digital SE16 500GB SATA2 7200RPM 16MB Cache 8.9MS NCQ Hard Drive OEM 3YR MFR Warranty


thank you in advance.
January 21, 2008 10:47:14 PM

Anyone?
January 21, 2008 11:48:00 PM

Go for the Crucial Ballistix DDR2 800, the best RAM out there. Overclocking to 4GHz if you: (1) get luck enough to get a really good chip, (2) you can get a really good cooler like the Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme or the Tuniq Tower 120 as these coolers are great for removing heat.


Tuniq Tower 120

By systemlord at 2007-11-13



By systemlord at 2007-11-13


January 22, 2008 2:41:39 AM

But the crucial does not come in 2 gig sticks so i would need 4 and I heard that is not as good as 2 2gig sticks.... is this true?
January 22, 2008 3:21:14 AM

Go to the vista web site to compare the features of each of the versions. Most people will be happy with home premium. Ultimate gets you very little extra that is useful. 128gb memorysupport vs 16gb for example.
January 22, 2008 4:10:36 AM

Mish said:
But the crucial does not come in 2 gig sticks so i would need 4 and I heard that is not as good as 2 2gig sticks.... is this true?


Why do you want 4GB of RAM? Even if you go for the Windows Vista Ultimate 64bit, driver support isn't as good if you were to go Windows Vista Premium 32bit. Unless a game is written solly for 64bit (Crysis is) your spinning your wheels, 32bit versions of game don't always address more than 2GB of RAM.

If this is a gaming rig then you won't see 4GB of RAM increase your gaming experiance. If anyone disagree's with this please show me some links/benchmarks that do show an increase in performance, not that you will cause we all know it doesn't.
January 22, 2008 11:21:53 AM

Placed my order last night. Saved almost an extra 100$ from price matching as well.

Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3L ATX LGA775 P35 1333FSB 1PCI-E16 3PCI-E1 3PCI SATA2 Sound GBLAN Motherboard
253691$93.98 $93.98
Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Dual Core Processor LGA775 3.0GHZ Wolfdale 1333FSB 6MB Retail *Limi *IR-$20*
277841$224.99 $224.99
Price Match Request(subject to approval) $219.95$219.95
EVGA E-GEFORCE 8800GTS Crysis Edition 670MHZ 512MB 1.94GHZ DDR3 PCI-E DVI-I HDTV Out Video *IR-$20*
274701$339.99 $339.99
Antec Truepower Trio 650W Power Supply ATX12V V2.0 Active PFC SLI Certified 120MM Fan
241261$112.23 $112.23
Price Match Request(subject to approval) $109.99$109.99
Antec P182 ATX Black Mid Tower Case 4X5.25 1X3.5 6X3.5INT No PS Front USB Audio Firewire
241221$125.99 $125.99
Price Match Request(subject to approval) $119.00$119.00
Western Digital SE16 500GB SATA2 7200RPM 16MB Cache 8.9MS NCQ Hard Drive OEM 3YR MFR Warranty
232661$99.98 $99.98
Price Match Request(subject to approval) $96.95$96.95
PC Assembly And Testing (PRE-CONFIG OS If Purchased)
Environmental Fee $10.00 Per Item
78421$50.00 $50.00
Crucial Ballistix PC2-6400 2GB 2X1GB DDR2-800 CL4-4-4-12 240PIN Dual Channel Memory Kit
246411$77.99 $77.99
Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium Edition 32BIT DVD OEM
224371$109.98 $109.98
Thermalright ULTRA-120 Extreme 6 Heatpipe Cooler LGA775 Heatsink *Fan Not Included*
235311$64.98 $64.98
Price Match Request(subject to approval) $48.42$48.42
Arctic Silver 5 HIGH-DENSITY Polysynthetic Silver Thermal Compound 3.5 Gram
107151$12.47 $12.47
Price Match Request(subject to approval) $7.04$7.04
Scythe S-FLEX SFF21F 120MM Cooling Fan 1600RPM 28.0DBA 63.7CFM FDB
177491$14.99 $14.99
Price Match Request(subject to approval) $11.34$11.34
Environmental Fee:$10.00
SUBTOTAL:$1,294.63
7% PST - BC residents:$90.62
GST(5%):$64.73
YOUR TOTAL:
All quoted prices are in CANADIAN DOLLARS $1,449.98
January 22, 2008 2:12:22 PM

mish, you did well.

I do think that you could have bought 4gb of ram for the same price. You may want to add 2gb in the future.
January 22, 2008 2:36:50 PM

Sounds like it won't disappoint. I just put an E8400 on order yesterday too. That along with the Crucial memory should OC well.
January 22, 2008 3:58:18 PM

Crucial's Ballistix are known for there excellent overclocking, and even if you still want 2GB more of RAM later then you can still do that. I know that knowbody will ever need more than 2GB of RAM in the next few years for their gaming system, if you had went 4GB on two sticks of RAM you would never had needed to double that for any gaming system. Until gaming go's 64bit having more than two gigs isn't really worth it. Let us know how well it OC's when you get it all together. :D 
January 22, 2008 9:15:52 PM

Is there even a reason to upgrade to Vista if I am not getting 4gb? I mean I have xp Pro so it would save another 100$.
January 22, 2008 9:40:40 PM

If you already have XP Pro, I'd use that. Only Vista x64 will allow you to use the full 4gig. Only advantage to Vista is that it has DX10.
January 22, 2008 10:13:32 PM

orangegator said:
If you already have XP Pro, I'd use that. Only Vista x64 will allow you to use the full 4gig. Only advantage to Vista is that it has DX10.



I agree, I am waiting until SP1 comes out till I buy Vista 32bit Home Premium. Theres just too many issues with Vista that need work, like being able to OC my 8800GTX using RivaTuner and DX10 right now isn't much better than DX9 visual wise. When you enable Very High in Crysis's ingame graphics settings (in XP) it looks so close to DX10 and without the performance hit that go's with it.
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