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Do you hate Apple?

Total: 233 votes (26 blank votes)

  • Yes
  • 55 %
  • No
  • 20 %
  • Just the Macs
  • 12 %
  • Are you kidding me?!? I love Apple products
  • 5 %
  • Love the OS, Hate the hardware
  • 6 %
  • IPod Rulz!
  • 5 %
January 21, 2008 2:06:08 PM

I use a pc for everything. I do have an old mac ibook 500mhz that i use to surf the web out in the living room. I recently retired it because i bought an ipod touch. I dont want to sound pompus and I certainly dont think that I am better than anyone. I just want to defend it a little since everyone is bashing ipods. First and formost i love the touch interface. it is fast responsive and i have never had it crash. I can surf all my websites from it and I dont have to lug a laptop around the living room. the display is amazing. as far as audio quality goes It is an mp3 player which means that I can either encode in a lossless format and store 3 songs on it. or i can encode to mp3 and store thousands and loose audio quality. So i choose mp3 if I wanted to hear every single nuance of my music i wouldnt be listening to it through headphones and an mp3 player in the first place. It is jailbroken and i can use it as a voip phone, there are all sorts of hacks and mods for it out which is great. Now for the disadvantages. I hate having to take it out to change tracks or the volume. I hate Itunes, but it is not as closed source as everyone says I bittorrent seasons of tv, use vidoera ipod converter and it sync them to itunes. is it a pain sort of, but I also own a blackberry 8830 and would have to convert my videos for that also, and i have a better screen on my touch. the way i see it is this I own a bb because stuff just works. I dont have to tweak a bunch of settings like with windows media phones. It doesnt crash as often as window media phones. the same with the ipod i dont want to do a million setup options in order to get stuff to work. and it is rock solid. As far as saying im lazy fine, but as far as technology has came i should be able to be lazy. stuff should just work. that is the reason i am going back to xp from vista, i am tired of fiquring out why something says vista compatible or made for vista breaks my machine. and spending six months trying to fiqure out why.
January 21, 2008 2:06:43 PM

Well I can't say that I hate them but I will say I don't really like them. I think people who buy apple products are a little dumb because all their stuff is way overpiced. And I also agree about the fact that apple users seem to look down on us pc users, I know some apple users and a big majority of them are like that. It makes me laugh and when I get that attitude I always say to them that I envy them because they must be rich to afford such overpriced crap /sarcasm.
January 21, 2008 2:06:58 PM

I was watching the football games last night (Green bay vs. the Giants) and there was a new Mac commercial on. Now Mac has the ability that if you delete something you can get it back. They were saying like PC does not do this... I flipped out on my TV yelling at it hopping that Apple's Marketing can hear me calling them idiots because windows has been doing this for... lets see... EVER!

I remember the good days when you deleted something on a Mac and it was gone, and that was that. I remember the Mac users saying it was dumb to have that security because you only delete things you want. Now they are signing to the tune that this is great and how great they are because they can retrieve data that was deleted.

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January 21, 2008 2:49:12 PM

I just watched the new commercial... i swear if i see Justin Long (the POS mac guy) in real life... hes going to be walking away with a bloody nose.

January 21, 2008 2:54:45 PM

skittle said:
I just watched the new commercial... i swear if i see Justin Long (the POS mac guy) in real life... hes going to be walking away with a bloody nose.


+1
January 21, 2008 2:55:43 PM

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If Apple was a girl it would be "Paris Hilton" Overpriced,bitchy does the same thing everyone does but less....but loves the publicity.


So true. :D  :pt1cable: 
January 21, 2008 3:34:25 PM

Anyone got a link to this new ad? (youtube or something?)

Ive not seen it yet, personally im curious lol.

just looked up the "Apple Commercial - New Year 2008" video on youtube ad, which made me laugh...tarting up all the things apple have done in 2007 that has "owned" the PC/Microsoft over 2007, even though in reality they were spectacular flops.
January 21, 2008 3:39:38 PM

runswindows95 said:
Kbits, the point I was really making was I thought the main reason people got a Mac was to get rid of Windows, but ironically they still need Windows to do anything. This alone proves that OSX is not as good as the Mac fanatics claim it is. Also, the subdued point I was making, which you valeted for me as well, is why spend $2,000 on a iMac when a $600 HP machine will do the same exact thing and so much more.


No, OSX isn't the Nirvana that some mac fanatic want us to believe, but it is certainly a capable OS and isn't the piece of junk that some other people want us to believe.

The $600... wait let me check ... $790 HP won't do the exact same things than the 2000$... wait... 1200$ iMac can. First it won't run OSX and Windows and all related software (yes i know about the OSX86 project, I use it, but it ain't for everyone out there). If it isn't important for you, or don't like OSX, then yes it makes little sense to buy one. But some people like it, it's just the way it is. I don't consider them as more dumb or lazy, they just feel more comfortable in it. Computer takes a lot of place in our lives, might as well go with what you're the most at ease with no?

You would need to define the "so much more" a $790 HP can do that a iMac can't. Yes there is more software available on windows, but except for some very specialized task, both environment have what it takes. Instead of having 30 ripping softwares, there is ten on OSX. On windows, 1/3 are good, 1/3 are average and 1/3 are poor, and so on OSX. So unless I'm missing something important here, it all boil down to some exceptions.

The real big difference imo is for games. OSX have a fair share of games, and of course there is bootcamp, but there is no way mac can compete with a well built PC. Apple users have despise the graphic card situation on macs for years, and for good reasons. But the $790 HP box and his 8300GS is not exactly a gaming horse (as a matter of fact, it is quite the same as the 2400HD in iMacs).

Granted, macs are more expensive then PC, and usually, you get more hardware performance from a PC (especially if you build it yourself). But Apple is on it's own, and development of OS, software and hardware cost certainly more than what HP spent on their $790 box and their slipstreamed Vista HP suite. Again, it's all a matter of preference if you think it deserve to get your money or not, but I think to have this option around is on the bright side of things. Apple do competition to Microsoft, HP, Dell and all the others, and this is good for us users.

At the end, I think most people on this forum, including me, likes to keep control on things, do what the hell they want, and get most of the $$$ they spend. This is why Dell/HP/Gateway doesn't get very good feedback in most threads here. And from this point of view, Apple do even worse. But as I already said, from a computer enthusiast perspective, I like what alternative Apple brings into the computer landscape.
January 21, 2008 4:15:35 PM

Let me point out a couple of things here:

kbits said:
No, OSX isn't the Nirvana that some mac fanatic want us to believe, but it is certainly a capable OS and isn't the piece of junk that some other people want us to believe.

Same goes for Windows

kbits said:
The ... $790 HP won't do the exact same things ... 1200$ iMac can.

Yes it will, not to mention you can build a $790 PC your self and do MUCH more than that $1200 mac.

kbits said:
First it won't run OSX

Who the hell cares about OSX... I have Windows and linux... why would I want some crap apple software on my new machine.

kbits said:
You would need to define the "so much more" a $790 HP can do that a iMac can't.

First of all, you cant even buy an iMac at $790 (nor can you buy them for less than $500 wich a lot of PCs are selling for these days). Second... and again this is quite simple... $790 gets you more hardware than an equivalent mac.

kbits said:
Yes there is more software available on windows, but except for some very specialized task, both environment have what it takes.

What? Not only is there more software on windows... but there is much better quality software on windows and Linux. What professional Applications run on macs? photoshop? yup thats about it.

kbits said:
The real big difference imo is for games. OSX have a fair share of games

ROFL... A fair share? They have a few... older games.
January 21, 2008 4:20:19 PM

Jobs may be slipping, or else his 'reality distortion field' may be fading - the Macworld revelations this year were pretty unexciting, even to Mac nerds.

The worlds thinnest notebook!! Yea, it's thin Steve, real thin. So what? Think I'm gonna sacrifice a hard drive speed, ethernet, user replaceable battery, durability, a bunch of $$, and my optical drive just so I can have a super thin notebook? Its a computer, not a supermodel!

Who cares if it's a little thinner than a full function laptop?
January 21, 2008 4:29:36 PM

yes... there is a point where things get to be too thin... pretty soon theyre going to have super thin ipods with no headphone jacks.
Who cares, its thin!
a b B Homebuilt system
January 21, 2008 4:32:50 PM

^May be then apple will add blue tooth to the Ipod? :lol: 
January 21, 2008 5:30:22 PM

I only have three things against my ipod:

1) Forces a gap between tracks - listening to Tool: Lateralus just isn't the same. I think I saw a way to crack the firmware for it but I've been too lazy so far, heh.

2) The propeitary lossless compression codec. Nothing wrong with alc, it really is lossless, I just wish .shn was supported.

3) Volume loss with last firmware update. Still plenty loud with earbuds, but with some of the 'old mixed' cds, it definately could be louder for headphones. I also don't like that it did the firmware update without asking me.

Other than that, it's great. Battery still gives plenty of juice after using it for about three years, it's solid as a rock and dependable.

For Apple computers, I plan to purchase a MacBook Pro soon, but I'll be sticking with a PC for my desktop. I've dealt with frustation with PC notebooks, they're just not worth it.
January 21, 2008 5:50:47 PM

Hell I wish FLAC was supported too...its way better than shorten...and my entire library is FLAC (I think there are players that support FLAC already)
January 21, 2008 5:52:45 PM

OS points:
Gates = take over the world by being compatible with it all (to a degree) then once they are all sucked in, force the upgrade to the newer better version.
Jobs = take over the world by being more stable (on only your own company's hardware) and then when they are sucked in....no one else will be left as they are forced to buy all hardware/software and accessories from you and only you/Apple.

Doesn't every O/S steal something?
Doesn't every hardware upgrade force your hand in some way?
Doesn't every software upgrade force your hand in some way?

BTW, I still keep my vote the same, I wouldn't trade my PC for anything, and I love my Vista Ultimate!
January 21, 2008 6:31:56 PM

skittle said:
Hell I wish FLAC was supported too...its way better than shorten...and my entire library is FLAC (I think there are players that support FLAC already)


iPod users - if you want to play FLAC and WMA files on your player - ROCKBOX! It's great open source alternative firmware for the iPod (and other players).

I prefer the iPod GUI so I went back to the Apple firmware (never deleted - always available on the iPod while using Rockbox). Even with all of the different skins available, the look and feel of Rockbox just didn't do it for me.
a b B Homebuilt system
January 21, 2008 6:56:53 PM

^Agreed. Thats a nice little piece of software.
January 21, 2008 6:57:53 PM

skittle: +1

Also, Photoshop is available on PC. The funny thing is that people who use Apple for photo editing will say how their Photoshop programs are so much better, when any PC user can go and buy the same thing and have it run faster on PC vs. a Mac.

Not only that, once the Macanites are done Macing out on their Macphoto editors, they jump onto Microsoft Internet Explorer, or Microsoft Office. I have to admit, these are great innovations from Apple! Who would ever of thought that Apple would have to use Microsoft programs! I do understand they do not have to use these programs and yes there are office programs that come with Mac's free and web browsers as well. Its not that point, but the point that Mac's are found a lot with Microsoft application on it.

Apple and PC are two platforms that you can choose from. Linux is another. There is nothing better or wore from any platform to make one the best one to chose from.
- If you do not like to have the ability to customize you computer then PC or Linux is not for you.
- If you like to get screwed over and over from you OS vendor then Apple and Windows is for you.
- If you like to waste money on a system then Apple is for you.
- If you like a system that claims they are more secure then Apple is for you.
- If you want a free OS that will let you do anything, the Linux is for you.
- If you are trendy the Apple is for you.
- If you find yourself worrying about your nails and if you look fat in this, Apple is for you.
- If you like to live in a dream world where nothing can hurt you, Apple is for you.
- If you like to game, Windows is for you.
- If you like to video edit, pick any OS. They can all do it.
- If you like to picture edit, pick any OS.
- If you like to sound edit or create music, pick any OS. They all do it.
- If you like a company who says this that they can finally do that Linux and Windows has been doing for years, the Apple is for you.
- If you are educated, then Windows or Linux is for you. (I say this because after doing research, you will find Linux to be the smartest possible OS, but you will have to do some work with it to get it to do everything. Windows for the people who just want to use a computer that will work with everything.)
- If you like a company who is on their 10th or 11th OS and is bragging about it.... Then Apple is for you. (Honestly this is kind of sad. It took 10 or 11 tries to get it where they are at now... They are now a step away from dirt... they are crap!)


Please, add to the list!
January 21, 2008 7:07:43 PM

skittle said:
Let me point out a couple of things here:


Same goes for Windows


Yes it will, not to mention you can build a $790 PC your self and do MUCH more than that $1200 mac.


Who the hell cares about OSX... I have Windows and linux... why would I want some crap apple software on my new machine.


First of all, you cant even buy an iMac at $790 (nor can you buy them for less than $500 wich a lot of PCs are selling for these days). Second... and again this is quite simple... $790 gets you more hardware than an equivalent mac.


What? Not only is there more software on windows... but there is much better quality software on windows and Linux. What professional Applications run on macs? photoshop? yup thats about it.


ROFL... A fair share? They have a few... older games.


I didn't say you'd want to install OSX Skittle, I said some people do. You can't argue with them their preferences as they can't blame you being just fine with Windows/Linux. And they cannot install OSX easily on the HP box. Thats a fact.

OSX being crappy is highly subjective and just your point of view. OSX might not appeal to you at all, it doesn't make it bad for every users out there. If you're fine with Windows and Linux, it doesn't make sense to buy a Mac as I already point out.

When you say the $790 HP box will do a LOT more than the iMac, what are you refering to exactly? I know there is things that are better on a PC, but a LOT more?

Yes I also said we get more performance for $$$ with a well built PC. Thats a fact.

Now for the professionnal quality software, saying mac is about Photoshop and thats about it is just wrong. A lot, and I mean a LOT of professionnal musician are on mac platform, let alone the mastering studios and music schools. The professionnal video industry also use Apple products massively (through Final Cut Suite, Shake).

Again, I didn't say you can't do the same thing on your PC, and for less $$$, but that doesn't make Apple wrong in my opinion.

As for games, yes OSX gets their games way after PC. Gaming industry just can't justify $$$ and time for the Mac market share. But they do get games, and they can runs the new ones IF their poor video card is allowing it through bootcamp. Mac not being a good gaming platform isn't a breaking news though.

I don't want to go on and on through a Mac/PC endless thread. My point is that neither is as good or bad as some may suggest. Hate it if you want, I respect that.
January 21, 2008 7:21:30 PM

rockbox doesnt work on newer ipods... and it gets less battery life.
a b B Homebuilt system
January 21, 2008 7:32:27 PM

spaztic7 said:

Apple and PC are two platforms that you can choose from. Linux is another. There is nothing better or wore from any platform to make one the best one to chose from.
- If you do not like to have the ability to customize you computer then PC or Linux is not for you.
- If you like to get screwed over and over from you OS vendor then Apple and Windows is for you.
- If you like to waste money on a system then Apple is for you.
- If you like a system that claims they are more secure then Apple is for you.
- If you want a free OS that will let you do anything, the Linux is for you.
- If you are trendy the Apple is for you.
- If you find yourself worrying about your nails and if you look fat in this, Apple is for you.
- If you like to live in a dream world where nothing can hurt you, Apple is for you.
- If you like to game, Windows is for you.
- If you like to video edit, pick any OS. They can all do it.
- If you like to picture edit, pick any OS.
- If you like to sound edit or create music, pick any OS. They all do it.
- If you like a company who says this that they can finally do that Linux and Windows has been doing for years, the Apple is for you.
- If you are educated, then Windows or Linux is for you. (I say this because after doing research, you will find Linux to be the smartest possible OS, but you will have to do some work with it to get it to do everything. Windows for the people who just want to use a computer that will work with everything.)
- If you like a company who is on their 10th or 11th OS and is bragging about it.... Then Apple is for you. (Honestly this is kind of sad. It took 10 or 11 tries to get it where they are at now... They are now a step away from dirt... they are crap!) :lol: 


Please, add to the list!

add
-If you want viruses Windows is for you.
-If you want to be a power user Linux is for you.
- If you want to mess with the guts of the OS then Linux is for you.
January 21, 2008 7:32:59 PM

kbits said:
OSX being crappy is highly subjective and just your point of view.

Nope, OSX sucks and is crappy and bloated. Almost to the point that its MORE bloated than a pre-installed vista.

Final cut sucks... especially when you compare it to the entire adobe suite with adobe bridge. I saw all these film students across the hall from me using final cut last year on their macbooks. All i did was laugh and show them Adobe Master Collection.

The only "professionals" working with macs are the ones who think macs have better color and sound quality than a PC. CAUTION: the word "professional" in the mac world should be used extremely loosly. Pretty much every mac user thinks of themselves as a "professional"
January 21, 2008 7:34:32 PM

Shadow703793 said:
add
-If you want viruses (and you are uneducated and click on free porn and weight loss links) then Windows is for you.


Fixed.
January 21, 2008 10:10:29 PM

Aswsome add ons!
January 21, 2008 11:01:26 PM

skittle said:
Nope, OSX sucks and is crappy and bloated. Almost to the point that its MORE bloated than a pre-installed vista.

Final cut sucks... especially when you compare it to the entire adobe suite with adobe bridge. I saw all these film students across the hall from me using final cut last year on their macbooks. All i did was laugh and show them Adobe Master Collection.

The only "professionals" working with macs are the ones who think macs have better color and sound quality than a PC. CAUTION: the word "professional" in the mac world should be used extremely loosly. Pretty much every mac user thinks of themselves as a "professional"


Ok fair enough. Maybe you're right. I just can't see why.

First what is this "so much more" you can do with the $790 HP that a $1200 iMac can't. We've already clear all the gaming side and the specialized stuff (for which a 790$ HP won't very good anyway). What else?

Also, please explain to me why OSX objectively sucks so much. It shouldn't be hard since it is so bad. Please don't feed me "OSX sucks because Jobs is an ass" or it "it sucks because it is soooo simple it is created for dumb people who can't get to use two button mouse" or the so alike traditionnal bashing. Real solid reasons.

Yet for now I still believe neither PC or Mac are this bad, and neither of them are this good. It's all pros and cons and whats matter to you.

PS. If you prefer Adobe Master Collection, good for you. It is available on Mac anyway so Mac users have the choice, just like PC users have their own alternative in Sony Vegas.
January 21, 2008 11:12:13 PM

What makes me laugh is how Apple vigorously censors their forums. If a user has trouble with a product, and starts a thread to complain about it, and to see if anyone else has the same problem... the thread mystically disappears.

lol - using Apple products is literally like living in a communist country.
January 22, 2008 1:39:47 AM

Here's the top ten things I can do with an HP that I can't do with a Imac:

1) Actually get the majority of parts to fix it at ANY computer store.
2) Upgrade a few things like the graphics card with a better one, the sound card, add another hard drive, and add another DVD burner.
3) Walk into ANY computer store and find software for it.
4) Walk into ANY computer store and buy ANY printer without worry will it work or not.
5) Have a huge selection of software available and choosing what I want to run on it.
6) Buy ANY game for it and play it. For the record, love playing RISK on my PC.
7) Pick up ANY router for it and not worry will it work or not.
8) Buy a digital camera and know it will work.
9) Buy ANY mp3 player for it and know it will work.
10) Upgrade my monitor at any time I feel like it without having to buy a new machine.

As anyone will notice, 80% of this list is very basic stuff that ANY PC owner will do with a PC.
January 22, 2008 1:54:46 AM

skittle said:
rockbox doesnt work on newer ipods... and it gets less battery life.


The battery thing bothered me, and the skins weren't anywhere near as elegant and easy on the eyes as the default iPod GUI. The FLAC support and custom EQ were definite pluses, but didn't make up for the overall lack of polish.

Here's another thing that I like about the iPod - it cranks louder than I could ever tolerate, and I listen to it LOUD when I'm working out at the gym. Furthermore, no track on my iPod exceeds 96 dB. I limit gain in order to eliminate clipping. That it has enough power to make my ears bleed despite the "quiet" files it plays is mighty impressive. :p 
January 22, 2008 2:47:25 AM

runswindows95 said:
Here's the top ten things I can do with an HP that I can't do with a Imac:

1) Actually get the majority of parts to fix it at ANY computer store.
2) Upgrade a few things like the graphics card with a better one, the sound card, add another hard drive, and add another DVD burner.
3) Walk into ANY computer store and find software for it.
4) Walk into ANY computer store and buy ANY printer without worry will it work or not.
5) Have a huge selection of software available and choosing what I want to run on it.
6) Buy ANY game for it and play it. For the record, love playing RISK on my PC.
7) Pick up ANY router for it and not worry will it work or not.
8) Buy a digital camera and know it will work.
9) Buy ANY mp3 player for it and know it will work.
10) Upgrade my monitor at any time I feel like it without having to buy a new machine.

As anyone will notice, 80% of this list is very basic stuff that ANY PC owner will do with a PC.



Very good points I think. I was looking at both machine running as is with no issue or upgradability path in mind, but those are real advantage nonetheless and can't be disregard.

For the compatibility issues though, I wouldn't worry too much about mac, especially for digital camera and printer. MP3 might have issues though because of Apple iPod blocus.
January 22, 2008 5:21:32 PM



As far as Apple goes, I know lots of people who use them. They tend to be the same kind of people who sit in a coffee shop all day "working" on their laptops (read wanting to appear important/cool while contributing nothing to socitey on the whole), or the ones that have trouble operating the velcro on their sneakers without manuals.

I agree with the above post (and previous posts on this topic) especially regarding upgrades. Upgrading a mac is virtually impossible- you have to start from scratch each time! It'd be like trashing your car because the winshield wiper is broken, what a scam.

Regarding the article about mac users: Being in healthcare I read a lot of research papers and full disclosure of the methods used to obtain your results is required in order for your research to see the light of day in any reputable journal. The fact that they don't disclose their methodology is a big red-flag as far as credibility is concerned, as is the fact that they don't cite the source of funding for the study (at least I didn't see it in the brief look I took).
a b B Homebuilt system
January 22, 2008 10:31:26 PM

runswindows95 said:
Here's the top ten things I can do with an HP that I can't do with a Imac:

1) Actually get the majority of parts to fix it at ANY computer store.
2) Upgrade a few things like the graphics card with a better one, the sound card, add another hard drive, and add another DVD burner.
3) Walk into ANY computer store and find software for it.
4) Walk into ANY computer store and buy ANY printer without worry will it work or not.
5) Have a huge selection of software available and choosing what I want to run on it.
6) Buy ANY game for it and play it. For the record, love playing RISK on my PC.
7) Pick up ANY router for it and not worry will it work or not.
8) Buy a digital camera and know it will work.
9) Buy ANY mp3 player for it and know it will work.
10) Upgrade my monitor at any time I feel like it without having to buy a new machine.

As anyone will notice, 80% of this list is very basic stuff that ANY PC owner will do with a PC.


You also forgot that PCs also have a LOT more free software or a tleast able to D/L from torrent. :lol: 
a b B Homebuilt system
January 22, 2008 10:33:40 PM

As of this post:
92 votes----Yes
37 votes-------No
17 votes------Just the Macs
7vote---------Are you kidding me?!? I love Apple products <==wonder who voted for this :lol: 
8 votes--------- Love the OS, Hate the hardware
10 votes-------IPod Rulz!
January 22, 2008 10:39:58 PM

I don't use an Apple products.
January 23, 2008 12:12:40 AM

I love my ipod, hate the company and the attitude. Would not buy any other apple products even if it could run Crysis at 700 fps
a b B Homebuilt system
January 23, 2008 1:02:42 AM

^What private potions? You just run a IP blocker + proxy (+ Linux) for total privacy.
a b B Homebuilt system
January 23, 2008 1:03:59 AM

As of this post:
96 votes----Yes
37 votes-------No
18 votes------Just the Macs
7 vote---------Are you kidding me?!? I love Apple products <==wonder who voted for this :lol:  Hope it's not thundrman
8 votes--------- Love the OS, Hate the hardware
10 votes-------IPod Rulz!
January 23, 2008 3:50:20 AM

oldscotch said:
I only have three things against my ipod:

1) Forces a gap between tracks - listening to Tool: Lateralus just isn't the same. I think I saw a way to crack the firmware for it but I've been too lazy so far, heh.
Hmmm... :??:  I rip with CDex and dl track info from freedb, sometimes using Mp3Tag for cover art. Tracks that play gapless on CD play gapless on my iPod.
January 23, 2008 3:52:00 AM

Shadow703793 said:

7 vote---------Are you kidding me?!? I love Apple products <==wonder who voted for this :lol:  Hope it's not thundrman
Nah, Apple doesn't use AMD
January 23, 2008 12:47:20 PM

iTunes is a great bit of software - if you use it right. I don't think that many people do. The first thing to do is to switch your iPod into Manual mode. In other words, don't make iTunes the boss of everything. This allows you, for one thing, to drag and drop tracks directly from your hard drive onto the iPod. It's just like dragging and dropping into a folder, but better. iTunes allows you to manage your tags, cover art and to search for duplicates. Playlists are a no-brainer to create either.

I have two other mp3 players, including a Sansa e200 and the iPod/iTunes combo is unbeatable, when you know what you're doing.

I'm not trying to negate anybody's opinion, I'm just trying to help those who already have iPods and want to get the most out of them.
January 23, 2008 1:28:36 PM

The only issue I ever have with Itunes is the amount of resources it uses.
January 23, 2008 2:26:31 PM

Apples ipods are very good. and thats all i can really say. You see i live in South Africa and the PCs are the main thing here they are nice because you can upgrade then to your hearts content as well and do all the thing a mac can do if not better... Mac has its followers as do PCs fair is fair i guess. One HUGE problem i find is the LACK or support from Mac here in Africa there is no help no passion what so ever from Apple put it this way your Mac pacs up throw it away because there is no help out there for you T.I.A!
January 23, 2008 3:02:26 PM

Hate Apple and their anti-user policy. Everything they sell is overpriced and most is crippled by DRM. The only company I hate more is Sony(and maybe Micro$shaft).
a b B Homebuilt system
January 23, 2008 9:24:09 PM

spongebob said:
Nah, Apple doesn't use AMD

May be they will in the future? :lol: 
a b B Homebuilt system
January 23, 2008 9:25:21 PM

slyck said:
Hate Apple and their anti-user policy. Everything they sell is overpriced and most is crippled by DRM. The only company I hate more is Sony(and maybe Micro$shaft).

Root kit any one?
a b B Homebuilt system
January 23, 2008 11:43:40 PM

As of this post:
99 votes----Yes <== Almost 100! :D 
38 votes-------No
20 votes------Just the Macs
7 vote---------Are you kidding me?!? I love Apple products <==wonder who voted for this :lol: 
8 votes--------- Love the OS, Hate the hardware
10 votes-------IPod Rulz!
January 24, 2008 12:39:26 AM

Thanyou KBits for bringing the other side without the %#@& im used to in "discussions".
January 24, 2008 1:23:16 AM

I hate the company, so I voted Yes (since Apple is a company).
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