I wouldn't say its a major problem, but not being able to see the correct CPU temp levels would be annoying. If it caused BSD, or really rough performance, then I'd say.. ya, major problem.
Kinda wonder if Intel blundered on the IHS, or if the sensors are not working/calibrated correctly.
I know I'll be upgrading Q6600. that will be enough processing power for me, even though my E4400 is actually quite enough.
Message edited by Grimmy on 02-01-2008 at 03:10:36 PM
No its not. But neither is the bug in the phenoms. 99.9% of users will never experience tld errata in virtualization, and the performance loss by the fix is negatable because they fix can be disabled, but the fanboys sure turn it into a big thing and cause them to lose millions in sales over it, even though its a great processor and a very competative processor at stock speeds, showing major improvement over the A64 and X2 architecture that put Intel to shame. Im sure all this talk about the E8400 will keep a ton of people from buying it, at least at this stepping.
What comes around goes around.
All I know is that I am going to hold off on my upgrade till this gets sorted out. I am not willing to spend that kind of money to have any detectible problems. Its especially true in this case because I plan to OC.
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No its not. But neither is the bug in the phenoms. 99.9% of users will never experience tld errata in virtualization, and the performance loss by the fix is negatable because they fix can be disabled, but the fanboys sure turn it into a big thing and cause them to lose millions in sales over it, even though its a great processor and a very competative processor at stock speeds, showing major improvement over the A64 and X2 architecture that put Intel to shame. Im sure all this talk about the E8400 will keep a ton of people from buying it, at least at this stepping.
What comes around goes around.
I have to say, that was a well put together sensible response, MrsBytch. I completely agree!
It's certainly an interesting 'problem' as perhaps the temp reporting could also not adjust the fan to the correct setting under load?
If it's only OCers that are seeing any problem, I can't see Intel caring too much though...
No its not. But neither is the bug in the phenoms. 99.9% of users will never experience tld errata in virtualization, but the fanboys sure turn it into a big thing and cause them to lose tons of sales over it. Im sure all this talk about the E8400 will keep a ton of people from buying it, at least at this stepping. What comes around goes around.
Heh... you using me for flame bait? I did not say anything about phenom, nor did I ever discourage anyone from getting one.
But if you were to jump on a phenom system now, would you just get one now, or wait for the B3 stepping??
No its not. But neither is the bug in the phenoms. 99.9% of users will never experience tld errata in virtualization, and the performance loss by the fix is negatable because they fix can be disabled, but the fanboys sure turn it into a big thing and cause them to lose millions in sales over it, even though its a great processor and a very competative processor at stock speeds, showing major improvement over the A64 and X2 architecture that put Intel to shame. Im sure all this talk about the E8400 will keep a ton of people from buying it, at least at this stepping.
What comes around goes around.
but the fanboys sure turn it into a big thing and cause them to lose millions in sales over it.
Girl you are so right! What if there was no giagantic hype about the errata for both phenom and 8400.. Both chip sales would probally be much higher
I dont even understand errata problem is but the way it was hyped people thought the chips were seriously jacked up
I have to say, that was a well put together sensible response, MrsBytch. I completely agree!
It's certainly an interesting 'problem' as perhaps the temp reporting could also not adjust the fan to the correct setting under load?
If it's only OCers that are seeing any problem, I can't see Intel caring too much though...
Eh, I think a major point of sale in the enthusiast market is the 8400's overclock ability. Im sure intel is aware of that, and it may be a bad business move to ignore it.
Who knows, they could be selling the CPU knowing full well that its stable at 4ghz, and they "underclock" it so that we feel like we are getting 1ghz for free.
I wouldnt have a problem with getting one now, I've not seen any real users that claim any performance issues. In fact I've read several articles that after testing say the 9500 at 2.6ghz is just as fast as the Q6600 at 2.6ghz. Of course they dont all overclock as well as the Q6600, but they are A LOT cheaper than the Q6600 as well, averaging about $70 cheaper. Of course I'll be upgrading to the Q6600 because Its as high as I can go with my P965 mobo.
Would you mind pointing out a few of those articles? That would put the K10 at the same performance level as Core2, which would be interesting.
As far as the OP, it's an interesting error, but to be honest... How many home buyers do you know that actually check their CPU or CoreTemps? Same thing with the Phenom, but it got blown out of proportion.
but the fanboys sure turn it into a big thing and cause them to lose millions in sales over it.
Girl you are so right! What if there was no giagantic hype about the errata for both phenom and 8400.. Both chip sales would probally be much higher
I dont even understand errata problem is but the way it was hyped people thought the chips were seriously jacked up
Heh, so it's the fanboyz fault? Wait... how did the news of the bug get out? I think its more of the press, then people getting angry reading/intemperate it, and because of mis-information or FUD, buyers hold off and wait.
But then I think its is mainly AMD's fault if they knew there was a problem, and by trying to fix it, (performance hit) well that just didn't help any.
I mean if fanboyz are the ones that caused millions of dollars to go down the drain, then they all should Unite and do something about global warming.
Eh, I think a major point of sale in the enthusiast market is the 8400's overclock ability. Im sure intel is aware of that, and it may be a bad business move to ignore it.
Who knows, they could be selling the CPU knowing full well that its stable at 4ghz, and they "underclock" it so that we feel like we are getting 1ghz for free.
Am I totaly wrong here?
Read the first part of Reynod's post below yours, that is exactly why they don't want you OCing...
They might fully appreciate that the E8400 & E8500 are probably running massively below their limits, but they need to take the lowest average user into consideration when they make the CPU's...
i.e. How pissed would you be if you bought it stock at say 3.8/4.0GHz and it's life was shortened becuase of high VCore and you'd planned to keep it for say 5years?
My parents don't upgrade their PC all the time, because they don't need to, I do, becuase I can AND want to!
Also, selling them as OCable chips would completely negate the point of their EE CPU's...
Which they obviously market for the enthusiast! I mean I obviously need a 31x multiplier on my QX6850 anyway!
