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OK im thinking of building a new pc.
if i do ill defo get
2 gig 800mhz ram
8800gt

but with cpu which way do i go for around the same price i can get a core 2 duo e6750 or a athlon x2 6400+ i know the intel is better but with the motherboards for around £60 i can get intel: EVGA 650i ultra, but with AMD: i can get a ASUS M3A 770, which has am2+ and can run faster ram and also has pci-e 2.0, so its a bit more future proof so what way if i do, do u suggest i go?

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Intel, for sure

 

Dont get an nvidia board unless you plan to go SLI
Get a P35 board instead, specifically Asus or Gigabyte

 

I have the Gigabyte P35-DS3L and love it.


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^Agreed. Get the P35-DS3L and a CPU depending on your needs (gaming vs. photo editing, etc)

If you get the P35-DS3L, see below for OCing how to:
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/ [...] w=0&nojs=0


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Why buy a system that is much slower now, in hopes of upgrading years down the road to a faster system?

In general, Selling your current system and buying new is the way to go.


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zenmaster wrote :

Why buy a system that is much slower now, in hopes of upgrading years down the road to a faster system?

In general, Selling your current system and buying new is the way to go.



Cost.
The GB MB and the unlocked AMD BE with 2GB Corsair DDR-800 ram are onsale as a combo unit online for under $300 USD.
A modern AMD/Intel CPU running at 3Ghz is more than enough to run any game made and still choke high end GFX cards.
Also if you look around you can pick up a 8800GT for just under $240.

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This week I saw the unlocked BE for $99 and the Optron 175 for $1 more and both can hit the same speeds.


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I am planning to go 5000 BE + MSI K9A2 CF end of month hopefully :P
Oh and maybe 5400 Brisbane + Biostar T770 for family/hall computer (no OC)
My bro i recommended waiting for E8400 for his uses/budget ^^


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ZOldDude wrote :

Cost.
The GB MB and the unlocked AMD BE with 2GB Corsair DDR-800 ram are onsale as a combo unit online for under $300 USD.
A modern AMD/Intel CPU running at 3Ghz is more than enough to run any game made and still choke high end GFX cards.
Also if you look around you can pick up a 8800GT for just under $240.



Not a very good deal IMHO.......

You can Grab an E2160 and DS3L on sale for about $150 on sale.
Toss in 2GB of Corsair Ram and you are at abour $180 and have a MUCH faster system.
You don't even need to buy a cooler.


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thanks for the advise

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zenmaster wrote :

Not a very good deal IMHO.......

You can Grab an E2160 and DS3L on sale for about $150 on sale.
Toss in 2GB of Corsair Ram and you are at abour $180 and have a MUCH faster system.
You don't even need to buy a cooler.



MUCH faster system ?!?

What are you talking about? where did you get this, what test,...?
2160 faster than 5000?
i thought people helping each other here on this forum.


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torcida_kutina wrote :


MUCH faster system ?!?

What are you talking about? where did you get this, what test,...?
2160 faster than 5000?
i thought people helping each other here on this forum.



Don't you ever read any product reviews?
I guess not, but here we go............

We will use the Intel X6800 Extreme at the Comparison point.

The E2160 beats it hands down when OC'd
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/c [...] html#sect0

The X2-6000 Can't come close to matching thge X6800 Extreme
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/c [...] html#sect0

The 5000+ BE is even slower than the X2-6000+ at the same speeds.
http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/1 [...] d_the_6000

The Result is that the Intel Solution is both Cheaper and Faster.


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zenmaster wrote :

Don't you ever read any product reviews?
I guess not, but here we go............

We will use the Intel X6800 Extreme at the Comparison point.

The E2160 beats it hands down when OC'd
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/c [...] html#sect0

The X2-6000 Can't come close to matching thge X6800 Extreme
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/c [...] html#sect0

The 5000+ BE is even slower than the X2-6000+ at the same speeds.
http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/1 [...] d_the_6000

The Result is that the Intel Solution is both Cheaper and Faster.



Yours knowledge is based on some payed tests? shame!
1. I have x2 5000 BE working on 3,6GHz, and on that speed he's MUCH FASTER then E2160 on 3,4GHz.
2. I've tried E2160, and when compared (not only in games) to 5000 BE on every frequency - he's MUCH SLOVER then 5000 BE
3. When you writing that kind of "conclusions", and trying to help anybody, try some testing at home first, don't believe everything you read.


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zenmaster wrote :

Don't you ever read any product reviews?
I guess not, but here we go............

We will use the Intel X6800 Extreme at the Comparison point.

The E2160 beats it hands down when OC'd
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/c [...] html#sect0

The X2-6000 Can't come close to matching thge X6800 Extreme
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/c [...] html#sect0

The 5000+ BE is even slower than the X2-6000+ at the same speeds.
http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/1 [...] d_the_6000

The Result is that the Intel Solution is both Cheaper and Faster.




What you are saying here is absolutely insane. This is same as you were saying that Reggina beats Inter, Inter beats Real, so conclusion is Reggina is better than Real.


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No offense, but you have to try some testing at home. I don't mean to insult.


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torcida_kutina wrote :

What you are saying here is absolutely insane. This is same as you were saying that Reggina beats Inter, Inter beats Real, so conclusion is Reggina is better than Real.



I presume you have never taken any classes in Logic.
It's not insanity, it's simple analysis.
The same tests were run for the X2-6000, X6800, and E2160.
Not all results are shown on the same chart since the testing took place on different dates since on set was specfically to test the X2-6000 when it was released and the other was specifically to test the E2160 when it was released.

The Tests clearly show the X2-6000 is slower than the baseline and the E2160 is faster than the baseline.

Yes, I have done home testing, but I don't have a limitless number of hardware configurations.
However, There are many hardware sites that have done independent testing and have reach similar results.

You will find similar results also on AnandTech and THG.
There are also many other sites with similar reviews and results.


Perhaps you could provide me links to data that disputes the results I have found?
As you stated, It's our job to assist others.

Unless your claim is that the BE-5000+ is superior to other chips, but it is impossible for professional review sites to see the results and the results from the chip used in your home will be different?


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torcida_kutina wrote :

Yours knowledge is based on some payed tests? shame!
1. I have x2 5000 BE working on 3,6GHz, and on that speed he's MUCH FASTER then E2160 on 3,4GHz.
2. I've tried E2160, and when compared (not only in games) to 5000 BE on every frequency - he's MUCH SLOVER then 5000 BE
3. When you writing that kind of "conclusions", and trying to help anybody, try some testing at home first, don't believe everything you read.




Ah.......
You can't backup your claims.

Well, I we can just presume the laws of Physics in your bedroom are different from that ever every professional review site. I guess if the OP buys and uses his computer in your room he will be set.

For those who must use theirs elsewhere, we can only expect to see the results closer to professional review sites.


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I have 7 systems on my home LAN (two years old) and do not plan to upgrade anything for a few more years.
See my system specs in my profile...OC are on stock volts.

To me OC a E2160 to 3.5 and running it 24/7/365 as I do seems rather hard on it's life span.
You may be able to do it...but I won't be doing it.


Message edited by ZOldDude on 01-20-2008 at 10:03:08 PM

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zenmaster wrote :

Ah.......
You can't backup your claims.

Well, I we can just presume the laws of Physics in your bedroom are different from that ever every professional review site. I guess if the OP buys and uses his computer in your room he will be set.

For those who must use theirs elsewhere, we can only expect to see the results closer to professional review sites.



So, i presume you compare e2160 on 3,4GHz vs 5000 on 2,6GHz and 2160 was better? BRAVO! Good work! Try on same frequencies and let us know.
I don't want to spend any more words on this circus!


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torcida_kutina wrote :

Try on same frequencies and let us know.

http://firingsquad.com/hardware/amd_athlon_64_x2_6000/images/quake800.gif
A 3.0Ghz X2 6000 is easily beat by a 2.66Ghz E6700.
A 2.6Ghz X2 5000 is beat by a 2.2Ghz E6400.