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January 27, 2008 7:11:33 AM

Alright, so here's what I need your opinion on. I'm building my brother a brand new PC when he gets his income tax, he wants to spend exactly $600 dollars on it. He's going to be doing the basics plus some gaming (Trying to get him to get into PC gaming some more). Here's the machine I have put together for that price https://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/Wishlist/PublicWis...

The shipping is $25 dollars, so keep that in mind. It came to $624 with shipping.

What do you guys think? Any parts you'd rather put in there, remember, he isn't us. I figured I'd OC the e2140 to 2.8Ghz and OC the Pro to XT speeds. That should give him some excellent performance. Also, yes I know the Pro is loud, but I can guarantee his 4 dogs are louder.

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January 27, 2008 8:15:24 AM

Hmm... Thats a pretty tyte budget. What type of games is he going to be playing and at what resolution.

Couple things to point out. If your planning on reaching a 1200mhz overclock your probably going to need much better RAM to acheive it. Also not sure exactly on how good that PSU is going to be especially with the amount of overclocking your trying to do and knowing that the 29xx series tends to be a power hog. Finding a good PSU is always important because not all a built equally. And that 2900pro isnt the same 2900pro that was first released. This version has been handicapped by a 256bit memory interface instead of 512. At this point the 29xx series isn't even worth it. For couple bucks more you can get yourself into a 3750.

If your brother is on a tyte budget I may also recommend an AMD setup. For $100 you can get the 5000+ Black Edition which can even stand up to some of the Core2Duo's

Try to also do as much research you can on cases. Alot of people overlook this but you want to make sure that its big enough for future cards. Its hard to say whether or not a 2900 would fit in that case or if it does, its going to be tyte. When I built my PC I kind of jumped on the first case that looked good but realized that the 8800 was not going to fit or I would have to make modifications to it.

And last for the same price as that RAM I just recently picked up a pack of 2GB Corsair Value RAM for a second build.

But I'm not the most knowledgable, I can only say from past experiences that I've run into. So hopefully that helps out a little. I'm sure others will be able to give you more in depth advice.
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January 27, 2008 11:20:30 AM

The ram should be fine, I have it in my second build and it has a e6300 OC'd to 3.2Ghz. Works great. I think Newegg might have made a mistake on the 2900 Pro's info page. If you look at the OEM website, it says it's the 512-bit lite bundle. He's not going to be playing at that high of a resolution 1024x768 and 1280x720 on account of him having crappy eyes. I've used the power supply in my computer with my 2900 Pro, and it powers it fine. It's pretty cheap, but it does the job.

With that motherboard I should be able to hit 2.8Ghz easy as hell, even with that ram. THG actually recommended that ram in their budget system build.

I know that it's a tight budget, but that's the budget. He's not a PC gamer, I'm just building him a PC that will be able to play pretty much anything he throws at it at the resolution he can see in. Anything better in the video card department would be a waste considering his resolution.

I would go with a +5000 Black Edition, but I can get a lot more performance out of the e2140. I actually just built a budget rig for my friend with it and the same motherboard/ram. I was able to hit 3.0Ghz without any effort at all.

The one thing I'd like to upgrade is the PSU, but I can't within the budget, so unless you guys know of a better power supply with the same price and no MIR, then that's what it is.

Alright, it's 256-bit, but it's still great for the money. Can't beat it for only $130 after MIR.

January 27, 2008 7:05:35 PM

Dont get the E2180, i tried it for myself and its pretty worthless IMHO, using Vista 64-bit everything took forever to load in even OC'ed to 2.6Ghz(Which is the highest it would do on a 680i LT) just get a decent E6000 series CPU and that computer will be rocking!
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January 28, 2008 12:42:18 AM

One thing, that pro is a 256-bit card, not 512-bit like the original 2900 pro. So even at XT speeds it's performance will be less when mem bandwidth is needed. Still, for the price after rebate, it is hard to beat. The HD3850 for $149 AR would be an option, but that's for a 256MB version. It uses less power and can even run on the earthwatts 380w that is $20 shipped AR. Either of these cards looks like your best bet for the budget. I too will second or third the earthwatts 500W for $50 as a better PSU to use.
January 28, 2008 1:25:20 AM

I would definately switch out the psu to the antec.

the difference is $15 from the psu listed... and If I had a nickel for everytime a post relates to psu problems on this board I wouldn't be posting on this board. I'd be sipping something on a nice warm island somewhere's.

cause if you have trouble with it, you'll spend $35 plus another $50 or more to fix it, if it fries.

The only reason to go to the Amd BE is you might cut out some $$ on the mobo. Other than that really no other reason to consider that one... at which you might squeeze in the antec into the $600 budget.

Instability will cause you nothing but grief and if you put a cheap psu in it will be the last thing you expect the problem is. You're bro has nothing to worry about, because he'll come to you.
January 28, 2008 1:56:15 AM

kpo6969 said:
Psu:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
34amps for $50

Gpu:
3850 or look at the 8800GS when released.


I'd have to agree with this poster and the one above him. For budget gaming I definately see no wrong in going AMD/ATI for the build.

AMD 4000+ = 64 bucks, decent micro ATX board = 74 bucks, ATI 3850/3750 or even with the money you saved make it a bit beefier. If anything I would try to put the limitation on the processor because they are cheaper to upgrade cycle over cycle until a socket change comes about.

that's just my 2 cents.

just FYI, I built my good friend a new system on the cheap for less than 600... mind you no monitor, OS, keyboard, mouse, case

He had an 8800GTS, AMD64 4000+, Gigabyte Micro ATX board, 4GB of memory, 250GB drive and a decent 500watt power supply.
January 28, 2008 2:22:03 AM

I would find a motherboard that will support phenom and put a x2 4400 in if for now. Then, even though the x2 4400 would bottleneck games now, he can upgrade to a quad core later if he wants. If he decides that I doesn't want to game, then it won't matter.

x2 4400 $74.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
It is the same price as the 2140

Gigabyte GA-ma770-ds3 $109.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
It come with pcie 2.0 and ddr2 1066 which will provide a decent upgrade path guaranteed!
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January 28, 2008 2:43:25 AM

IndigoMoss said:
Alright, so here's what I need your opinion on. I'm building my brother a brand new PC when he gets his income tax, he wants to spend exactly $600 dollars on it. He's going to be doing the basics plus some gaming (Trying to get him to get into PC gaming some more). Here's the machine I have put together for that price https://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/Wishlist/PublicWis...

The shipping is $25 dollars, so keep that in mind. It came to $624 with shipping.

What do you guys think? Any parts you'd rather put in there, remember, he isn't us. I figured I'd OC the e2140 to 2.8Ghz and OC the Pro to XT speeds. That should give him some excellent performance. Also, yes I know the Pro is loud, but I can guarantee his 4 dogs are louder.

Okay here is what I'd do for under $600. Some of the cases right now are good buys, especially the Antec 900, but you can decide.

CPU - $85 shipped e2180 is only like $10 more than the e2140 and will be easier to OC to 3.0 ghz, so why not.
Intel Pentium E2180 Allendale 2.0GHz 1MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Mobo - $90 shipped!!! Argueably one of the best bang for the buck mobo's for s775. Easy to OC too :) 
GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3L Rev. 2.0 LGA775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard Retail
http://www.clubit.com/product_detail.cfm?itemno=CA48308...

Memory - $51 - $10 MIR = $41! CAS4 DDR2 800mhz at stock 1.8v settings!! Easy to OC and low initial price is nice too! :) 
pqi 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GPU - $170 - $20 MIR = $150!! Can't be beat at this price. More than enough for a light gamer. Easily transferred to a PCI-e 2.0 mobo later, if needed.
GECUBE GC-HD3850PG3-D3R Radeon HD 3850 256MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HD - $70 shipped! Plenty of room for new computer user. If you need more, just add another one later.
Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD2500KS 250GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU - $80 - $30 MIR = $50! Hard to beat at this price, w/34A on the 12V rails you won't need to upgrade for a bit, unless you get into a heavy SLI or Xfire setup.
Antec earthwatts EA500 ATX12V v2.0 500W Power Supply 100 - 240 V UL, CUL, FCC, TUV, CE, CB, C-tick, CCC - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Case - $50 shipped! Hard to beat for quality and value on this MID tower case. There are more expensive one's but for your budget this one fits nicely.
COOLER MASTER Elite 330 RC-330-KKN1-GP Black SECC ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Total for build WITH shipping is ~$596 - $60 MIR's = $536!!! Now you can tweak wherever you deem necessary, but that would be where I'd start. If you can initially afford more than $600, I'd probably go with Crucial or Corsair CAS4 DDR2 800mhz over the PQI, but that is only if you can afford initially more. The final cost would be about the same, you'd just have to wait for the MIR's to come back on them.
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