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January 21, 2008 4:59:22 PM

I am building a new server to replace my old Pentium 4 HT 2.8ghz 1gb RAM.

http://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/wishlist/PublicWish...

My main question is, are there any better suggestions than what I have chosen? My server is mainly an application / game server, so decent processing power and RAM will be needed. I originally planned on getting the Athlon X2 3600+ and overclocking it a little, to like 2.6ghz. I'm sure even at 1.9ghz it would beat my Pentium 4.
So, does anyone have any better part suggestions?

Also, a graphics card is unneeded, I have a PCI-E ATi Radeon x300 128mb laying around that will do the job.

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January 21, 2008 7:50:33 PM



There's far better suggestions then what you've chosen; I can't even really call this a server; maybe a temp LAN box. But if you plan on hosting large scale games (private MMO server or MMFPS) don't expect it to run like butter.
January 21, 2008 8:28:53 PM

I like what you've done except I would change the MB so that you can run tri-SLi (or would that be 2.5 SLi because SLi indicates 2 video cards?). Also figure out how to RAID 10 150GB Raptors.
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January 21, 2008 8:50:41 PM

For most standard servers, you will need a medium memory (2gb) and some cache and more importantly is the bus speed at 333mhz. If you want something future profe and upto spec with a real server i suggest an intel set with a 1333fsb (for less oc +good for long run).
i suggest; p31 mobo + 2x1gb 800 (there's no point for a ddr3 yet). + e21xx or e4600 + some zalman cooler of choice + GF card of choice (since its a server)
You can oc to stable 3ghz easily now, this is what i would want for my spec too anyway.
If you have more to spend i suggest any 10krpm harddrive with a p35 mobo
If you have 2000 bucks to spend go for quad core with 4 gigs of 1066 rams

remember a good server is best at high bus that can run 24/7 (regardless whats the ghz of the cpu)
January 21, 2008 8:53:05 PM

What exactly are you planning on using this for? ie what kind of games, how many users will be using it? etc.
January 21, 2008 9:01:35 PM

You could buy a cheap server thats prebuilt like a Dell T105 or SC440 for under $600 and get dual core 2GB memory
January 21, 2008 9:45:03 PM

the thing is your crappy connection going to handle the players? would any expensive build be wastefull for the crappy connection. i also recommend VPS or dedicated servers on online shops.
it is better to have a better connection than having a super computer!
January 21, 2008 10:03:12 PM

I really only plan on having Halo dedicated servers, Counter-Strike: Source and other Steam game dedicated servers, and for backing up my files. As far as the budget goes, I'd rather not spend over $500 for the computer. It's a home server, so I really don't need anything that will be able to run a whole office of 20 computers, lol. It's a very basic server, which is why I chose pretty basic parts. I may think about swapping the two 160GBs for that Raptor 10k RPM 150gb hard drive, however.
As far as users go, none. This isn't one of those domain servers.

I don't have much money to throw around here, so I've got to be realistic about things.
January 21, 2008 10:23:32 PM

Well, mike, I currently have a 1.7mbps upload connection, which is good enough for me. Besides, no one will be on my server all the time. I also don't plan on making a super computer, I just wanted something that could run the applications a little better.

Edit: Sorry for double-posting, I was completely oblivious to the fact that I could have just quick edited my previous post. :p 
January 21, 2008 11:50:54 PM

^That PSU is cr@p. Get a top tire PSU listed here:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=10...

I would go with a Corsair 450VX or 520HX, or 550VX.

mikeccuk2005 said:
the thing is your crappy connection going to handle the players? would any expensive build be wastefull for the crappy connection. i also recommend VPS or dedicated servers on online shops.
it is better to have a better connection than having a super computer!

Agreed.
January 22, 2008 2:46:32 AM

darkspreader said:
Hmm, do you think that an Antec Earthwatts 380W PSU would do the job?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I used the eXtreme Power Supply Calculator, and it came out to be 224W for everything. I'd save a lot of money too with that $30 rebate.


Uhm, the Earthwatts 500W is the exact SAME price after rebate as that 380W. Why pay the same money for 24% less power?

And it is a great PSU. See it here on this list of RECOMMENDED high efficiency PSU's for less than $150 (not bad that it makes the less than $150 list and you can get on sale if for one third that amount)

http://www.jonnyguru.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1460

It's even the first one listed (course the list is alphabetical). But it is in the higher-end SLI capable group. right along with the much higher priced Corsair and Seasonic. And that site is considered very reputable and an excellent source of information on PSUs.
January 22, 2008 2:54:53 AM

mikeccuk2005 said:
the thing is your crappy connection going to handle the players? would any expensive build be wastefull for the crappy connection. i also recommend VPS or dedicated servers on online shops.
it is better to have a better connection than having a super computer!

You know, you can host a 12 slot average game server on 768kbps, so he can easily handle a 24 slot server, a website, and a small teamspeak/ventrilo server. Also, a (reasonably priced) VPS can't handle all that.
January 22, 2008 4:53:58 PM

toasty2 said:
You know, you can host a 12 slot average game server on 768kbps, so he can easily handle a 24 slot server, a website, and a small teamspeak/ventrilo server. Also, a (reasonably priced) VPS can't handle all that.


he didnt said that at the beginning, i through he hosting for a 200+ players or something. LOL
Really darkspreader, you can rather go for the future-profe slot 775. Go for p31/g33/g31/p35 along those lines. 1GB ram is more than enough, but i recommend to get all 4 sticks since its cheap!.
I dont recommend any graphic card, for your electric bill's sake. Your basic server and dual core is all its need. I can say a e2160 can do that job easily at stock and even better at 3ghz.

If i were you i do brough e2160 (better with e2180, even better with e4400)+ gigabyte p31 + value ram/cheap 4GB 800 + zalman cooler of choice + 550watt psu + maybe some graphic card when i game (ie 8800gt/3850 and mabe 8600gt for lower power)
If you planing for 24/7 multi-purpose multi-hosting, you will need the p35 with high memory settings. CPU dosnt really matter for a basic server, you decide you cpu last- depend on current budget (and wait for the new 45nm entry models XD)

BTW in the NA there is a opticfiber service? we got 20meg/780 in the UK
January 22, 2008 8:51:46 PM

Internet prices in the US are horrible if you want any nice service. He has about as good as it gets without a huge price tag.

I would get an E2140, a moderate OC motherboard, and some decent RAM. OC it to at least 2.6Ghz.
January 22, 2008 9:38:41 PM

mikeccuk2005 said:

If you planing for 24/7 multi-purpose multi-hosting, you will need the p35 with high memory settings.

Well, the P35 boards are still pretty expensive... and the Gigabyte P31 mobo doesn't have onboard RAID options, plus a decent RAID controller is about 50 bucks...
This mobo is pretty good; the only downside is that it doesn't support dual channel memory. Maybe you could help me look for a good P35 mobo for about 70 bucks?

As far as the power supply goes, I don't think I need anything that powerful. I think that the Antec Earthwatts 380W will do fine. I could get the 430W version just to be on the safe side...
January 23, 2008 12:18:30 AM

GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3L for $89 at zipzoomfly and clubit (no RAID)
GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3R for $123 at clubit (RAID)

(not sure why newegg's prices are a few dollars higher for these today. a month ago the GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3L was $70)

I'm not a big fan of RAID 0. Double the chance of losing your data since if either HDD crashes you are doomed unless you have automated nightly backups. (anyone have a painless way of doing nightly automated backups that they would like to share with us?)
January 23, 2008 2:07:04 AM

HamRadio said:

I'm not a big fan of RAID 0. Double the chance of losing your data since if either HDD crashes you are doomed unless you have automated nightly backups.

I never planned on RAID 0. I was planning on RAID 1. But I may have to give up the second 160gb hard drive just so i can get a P35 motherboard.... Looking at that GA-P35-DS3R however, I may get it and replace it with my 965P-DS3 in my gaming computer and use the 965P-DS3 for my server... :p 
January 23, 2008 1:10:38 PM

darkspreader said:
Would this G31 mobo work? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
I thought you wanted a board that could do RAID

Edit - I did not see anything at newegg or MSI about this board having a built in RAID controller, but a few sites found with google suggest it does have RAID built in.
January 23, 2008 1:24:49 PM

A coworker who has a computer business has MSI on his black list for making crap. If it were me, I would choose Gigabyte or Biostar. The GA-G33M-DS2R is a little pricier, but has all the features you want, including RAID.
January 23, 2008 9:28:42 PM

HamRadio said:
I thought you wanted a board that could do RAID

Whoops, I could've sworn that mobo supported RAID... lol.

Well, I found a different board. I took the advice of jtt283 and went with Gigabyte, but not the G33 board.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I don't think that getting a Pxx / Gxx mobo is really that important. I just want something cheap and effective.
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