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January 22, 2008 10:59:23 PM

This is my second day of reading reviews on newegg and forums here. I might have to start smoking cigs again if I can't decide on a board in the next few days. All input will help so thanks in advance. I'm looking at boards in the $100 range, give or take $50. There are just so many to choose from. Check out the other stuff I plan on getting.

1. I will be over clocking for the first time so user friendly is a plus.
2. I would like a good on board sound that will support HD sound for my home theater. I'll get a better sound card but it's not in the budget right now.
3. I don't need RAID.
4. I want to be able to upgrade to quad core at some time.
5. I will also be running vista at some point soon.

Case:
XION Onyx XON-303 Black/Blue Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
Model #: XON-303

PSU:
Antec earthwatts EA500 ATX12V v2.0 500W Power Supply
Model #: EA500

CPU:
Intel Pentium E2160 Allendale 1.8GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor
Model #: BX80557E2160

CPU Cooler:
ZEROtherm Nirvana NV120 120mm
Model #: Nirvana NV120

RAM:
Kingston HyperX 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit
Model #: KHX6400D2LLK2/2GR

HD:
Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3250410AS 250GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive
Model #: ST3250410AS

Graphics:
GIGABYTE GeForce 8800GT 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card
Model #: GV-NX88T512HP8

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January 22, 2008 11:47:14 PM

GA-P35-DS3L comes to mind.

Nice build, all good choices.

Reviewers at Anandtech showed the Nirvana gets noisy under load. That might ruin the home theater experience...
http://anandtech.com/casecoolingpsus/showdoc.aspx?i=3202&p=4
I think an Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro would serve you better. It won't reach the record overclocks of the Nirvana or Thermalright Ultra-120 Extreme, but it's good, cheap, quiet, easy to install.
January 22, 2008 11:51:08 PM

Oops, I read the original post wrong, you didn't mean a mobo between $50 and $100. All right, is $150 is acceptable, the GA-P35-DS3R ($127) and aBit IP35Pro ($150 at newegg) are better and worth the price.
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January 23, 2008 12:04:20 AM

Yeah, those boards are on my list but with all my wants and needs + inexperience it's hard to pick one.

Thanks for the post.
January 23, 2008 12:08:52 AM

Don't spent all that money. Seriously.

DFI Blood Iron for $110 is a great dual core OCing board. It held my Q6600 stable at 3.4 GHz. I moved to a P5K-E for 3.6-4.0 GHz stable. It even has ICH9R South bridge for Raid.

I think it is one of the best budget boards around, you won't be disappointed. I loved mine. OCing is easy. My DFI is now powering an E6300 at 3 GHz (428 MHz FSB).

I stay away from Gigabytes because the BIOS is not clearly labeled, or it has "propriatary" (spelling?) names for common features.

If you have the budget by buying this "budget" board I would pick up an 8800 GTS as well. You won't be disappointed any way you go, I just think the GTS/Blood Iron would be the best and easiest.

Edit: Also the Nirvana is overkill (imo) for the 2160. Get a Freezer Pro 7 (cheaper) instead.

Edit2: The other option for great Quad OCing for cheap.. is the board I have, the Asus P5K-E. The OCing is extremely easy and userfriendly. I love this board.
January 23, 2008 12:24:41 AM

@cnumartyr: Thanks dude. Your the one that steered me away from AMD on my posts three or four days ago.
January 23, 2008 12:25:59 AM

Dunkel said:
@cnumartyr: Thanks dude. Your the one that steered me away from AMD on my posts three or four days ago.


I know, I don't read this section, I got an IM saying I should come check out the thread and give you a hand picking out a motherboard. :D 
January 23, 2008 12:29:32 AM

Topic CPU Cooler: I will be moving on to quad core eventually, hence the ZEROtherm Nirvana NV120 120mm choice.

I did have the arctic pro picked out but changed do to other posts.
January 23, 2008 12:31:21 AM

Dunkel said:
Topic CPU Cooler: I will be moving on to quad core eventually, hence the ZEROtherm Nirvana NV120 120mm choice.

I did have the arctic pro picked out but changed do to other posts.


Good reasoning. If that is the plan I would suggest you lean toward a P5K-E with the 0602 BIOS (Until you need 45nm support).

I know I have personal experience OCing more than one of them (and we have multiple people in the OC section with them). We'd, of course, help you as best we could.

I would advise against the Kingston Ram.. since I can't find Transcend kits anymore, I would suggest a Crucial Ballistix Kit (DDR2-800) over it.
January 23, 2008 12:32:24 AM

aevm said:
Oops, I read the original post wrong, you didn't mean a mobo between $50 and $100. All right, is $150 is acceptable, the GA-P35-DS3R ($127) and aBit IP35Pro ($150 at newegg) are better and worth the price.


What about these boards? Pros and cons.

Also, should I stick with E2160 or move to the 2180?
January 23, 2008 12:33:55 AM

Dunkel said:
What about these boards? Pros and cons.

Also, should I stick with E2160 or move to the 2180?


2160 is high enough (I doubt it will OC to 3.6 GHz because of the limits of the core, and a P5K-E will easily do 400 MHz FSB).

I don't like Gigabyte. I've hard the IP35 has a ton of vDroop issues when you drop a quad in. Those are my personal opinions.

I don't think it gets better than Asus and DFI for Intel.
January 23, 2008 12:34:52 AM

What is a Transcend kits?

I already sent out the rebate and cut the upc on the RAM :non: 
January 23, 2008 12:39:35 AM

Dunkel said:
What is a Transcend kits?

I already sent out the rebate and cut the upc on the RAM :non: 


Lol, the Kingston is fine. I just like to OC my RAM as well. Putting the ram in 1:1 is just fine (which means you don't have to OC it until you hit 3.6 GHz on the 2160).

Transcend is a memory company that uses Micron ICs on their DDR2 Ram. They are GREAT kits. They were the ONLY ones I have found that ran DDR2-800 at 4-4-4-12 with JEDEC Standard 1.8v.
January 23, 2008 12:39:41 AM

I admit I have absolutely nothing useful to add. However, I just felt like pointing out your thread title sticks out from the norm and I like that. There are too many threads with titles such as "ZOMG HELP!!!1. THIS IS AN EMERGENCY. TELL ME WHAT TO BUY!", which make me want to avoid them altogether.

This should be how all requests for advice should be handled.
January 23, 2008 12:46:27 AM

Thanks Evils. Yeah I put off posting this topic till after the second complete 10 hr day of reading about MBs. My wife feels neglected. I'm going to have to buy her a puppy when the rest of my parts get here. :lol: 
January 23, 2008 1:08:30 AM

How is the Abit IP35 Pro? I here that the onboard audio doesn't work well with Vista. Is that true?
January 23, 2008 1:32:41 AM

When will I need to upgrade to a board with pci-E 2.0?
January 23, 2008 2:17:42 AM

I Love My IP 35 Pro with Vista 64.
January 23, 2008 9:07:58 AM

Dunkel said:
When will I need to upgrade to a board with pci-E 2.0?


Probably not for a while.

Nothing maxes out the PCIe1.0 16x bandwidth yet.
January 23, 2008 12:11:22 PM

1. Will I or won't I be able to oc the Kingston RAM?

2. I'd like some more people with the IP35 Pro to chime in about the rest of my build and if it will work. I really like it's design and features, but I'll probably need help with set up and ocing. If no frequent posters are running it, that would be bad for me.
January 23, 2008 12:40:28 PM

Dunkel said:
1. Will I or won't I be able to oc the Kingston RAM?

2. I'd like some more people with the IP35 Pro to chime in about the rest of my build and if it will work. I really like it's design and features, but I'll probably need help with set up and ocing. If no frequent posters are running it, that would be bad for me.


You will be able to OC the Kingston RAM, I don't know how high. It definately should reach DDR2-900 which in 1:1 will mean a 450 MHz FSB.
January 23, 2008 2:58:37 PM

I wish someone would just pull the trigger for me on the chip and board. I keep going back to that Tom's review of the AMD 5000+BE and thinking it would be easier to OC and less of a hassle to get 3.0GHz. I know you guys will help me oc the E2160, so it's still a toss up.

:fou: 
January 23, 2008 3:07:06 PM

Dunkel said:
I wish someone would just pull the trigger for me on the chip and board. I keep going back to that Tom's review of the AMD 5000+BE and thinking it would be easier to OC and less of a hassle to get 3.0GHz. I know you guys will help me oc the E2160, so it's still a toss up.

:fou: 


Upping a multplier is alway easier. However it doesn't increase performance anywhere but the CPU.

I like Bus/HT Link OCing. It can improve repsonsiveness and overall performance of the computer.

Go either way, I've made my suggestion. Considering you want to move to a quad eventually I would also HIGHLY advise looking at your upgrade path with the AM2 board for the 5000. Is the Phenom worth it over a Q6600 (or now Q9450/Q9300)? Does going with a budget AM2 board screw your performance on the Phenom (no HT3)?

I said in your other thread, you'll be happy either way. By the way.. perhaps this will convince you. The P5K-E will do 333 MHz FSB on stock voltage. 333x9 = 3.0 GHz. It'll be as easy as the BE 5000. Just a matter of volting the CPU up.

Edit: Maybe it's just me, I don't overclock for the ease of it. I think it's fun. If you want easy buy a Dell.
January 23, 2008 3:16:20 PM

OK, here's a good motherboard for that BE 5000:

ASUS M2N32-SLI Deluxe Wireless Edition AM2 NVIDIA nForce 590 SLI MCP ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131011

There's also a combo there with this motherboard and a good 750W Silverstone PSU. If you want the ability to add a second video card later and do SLI I recommend using this combo (and an Antec 900 case).

This motherboard was used by Tom's when they reviewed the X2 5000+ CPU, by the way. Go to this URL and double-click the red bar that says 9:02 to see their whole system, if you want.
http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu_2007.html?modelx=33&model1=933&model2=883&chart=440
January 25, 2008 12:03:33 PM

I was minutes from pulling the trigger on the Asus P5K-E and realized I would need a new USB mouse. That will set me back another $40. I currently have a Mircrosoft wireless mouse and keyboard that I don't really like but can't afford to replace right now. :fou: 

Back to the Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3L I guess.
January 27, 2008 2:40:36 PM

Dunkel said:
I was minutes from pulling the trigger on the Asus P5K-E and realized I would need a new USB mouse. That will set me back another $40. I currently have a Mircrosoft wireless mouse and keyboard that I don't really like but can't afford to replace right now. :fou: 

Back to the Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3L I guess.



It always help to read a little more or look into something a little better, no matter how non-tech it is. The mouse connector is using an adapter to PS2 at the moment. Removing the adapter revealed a USB connection.

I'm ordering my P5K-E and my E2160 today. FINALLY. After two weeks of research.

Thanks again for all the great support. I knew I would need to read a lot to get my first build in 4 years done, but this site helped so much.
January 27, 2008 2:52:10 PM

You've made a great choice. Good luck with the build.
January 27, 2008 3:50:19 PM

When it comes to a motherboard I look at what it supports compared to what I want it to do, ports, I/O, raid, chipset, then I look at whats on the market for the price range that I have set. Then I look at how long the motherboards have been on the market, and the bios maturity level.
I also go to some of the manufactures forums to see what people are complaining about regarding the motherboards I am interested in. I also look at what CPU's are supported and at what bios levels.

My last board I bought needed a bios update to allow use of the Q6600 so as I was still waiting for the Q6600 to drop in price I bought a cheaper celeron to allow me to update the motherboard's bios while I waited for the Q6600 to drop to it's current price.

Now I have a good solid stable system and am enjoying my new computer system.
January 27, 2008 3:56:37 PM

cnumartyr said:


I would advise against the Kingston Ram.. since I can't find Transcend kits anymore, I would suggest a Crucial Ballistix Kit (DDR2-800) over it.



I have the Transcend memory your talking about and have been watching it on newegg because I need 2 more gigs real soon. I couldn't find it either on newegg but with alittle digging I was finnally able to find it again with a status of deactivated. I have been checking it daily for 2 weeks and about a week ago it was avaliable again for about 2 days then went back to deactivated. I think it's just a case of limited supply and since they have no idea when they will have more in stock they deactivate it until they get more, well I hope anyway since at the egg it's $49.99 and the few other places you can buy it its more like $80.

January 27, 2008 4:14:49 PM

Newegg seems to be deactivating items when they are out of stock and don't have an ETA. You can use the auto-notify option and they will send you an email
January 27, 2008 6:16:28 PM

chuckm said:
Newegg seems to be deactivating items when they are out of stock and don't have an ETA. You can use the auto-notify option and they will send you an email


I don't think you can use auto-notify on any deactivated item, just items listed as out of stock. When an item is deactivated it seems so are all the features like add to wish list, auto notify, price alert.
January 27, 2008 10:23:45 PM

I really hadn't noticed that, thanks for pointing that out.
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