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January 26, 2008 12:18:24 AM

hi, im building a cheap pc for my sister, its mainly for video streaming, internet surfing, and mp3s. her pc will be hooked up to mine and i will use her hdd to store videos and stuff.

so far the E2180 seems to be the cheapest duo core you can get, i want to overclock the thing to about 3ghz with an aftermarket fan. I will be getting a ati hd3850 soon, so i will put the 7600gs in her pc.

here is the problem, since im not too clued up with mobos, so can anybody recommend a cheap, strong or capable of OC, pci-e (non xfire/sli), takes ddr2 ram(doesnt have to be 4 slots), lan onboard(or without if the price is good), sata, ide, audio onboard.

If there is no lan onboard or 100mb lan only then i will just order 1gb network card from newegg, it shouldnt be too expensive.

im hoping for 80 bucks or less on the mobo, but if not i will just have to fork out a bit more. after all, i need a strong reliable mobo so i can push the E2180 to 3ghz.

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January 26, 2008 2:26:20 AM

The E2140 and the E2160 are cheaper than the E2180 and they all may or may not quite get to 3Ghz, sometimes they do, sometimes they don't, but you should be able to get close. Your best bet is a p35, maybe one of these;
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submi...

The Abit IP35-E is also in this class, but it's hard to find right now. These are a little more than $80 but all are good boards. I'd also go with Crucial Ballistix or Corsair ram and Buy.com has excellent deals on Corsair PSU's. I don't know when they will be released, but ATI is bringing out a cheaper line of video cards that may be a good choice, here's a couple links about them;
http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTQ1MSwx...

http://www.hothardware.com/Articles/ATI%5FRadeon%5FHD%5...
Good luck and keep me posted on what you decide.
January 26, 2008 1:30:24 PM

P35 is kind of expensive, i dont think i'd want to spend that kind of money on an expensive mobo for my sister. I had a look at the P965 and its still too expensive, isnt there a cheaper set and still good for overclocking? what about the 945/955/975?

basically i just need a cheap mobo that will take a 775 Core 2 with overclocking abillity. Nothing too fancy since im already pushing the total price list to $750 region.

This is exactly what i want to do, below are my shopping list with parts that i will need, and using the remaining bits to build a pc for my sister:

SATA DVDRW - $26
E2xxx CPU - $85
PSU 500W - $35
RAM ADATA 2 x 1gb - $46 (For sister's pc)
RAM OCZ 2 x 1gb - $60 (For myself, making it 1 x4 gb - 4gb of ram)
19" LCD - $167
500Gb HDD Seagate SATA 32mb cache - $120 (For myself, i will give my old 200gb IDE HDD to my sister)
GeCube HD3850 256mb - $170 (Same, will be used to replace my 7600GS)

Thats pretty much everything covered.. sister's pc will have the following:

A cheap good mobo
E21xx Core 2
2gb of ADATA ram @ dual channel
200gb IDE HDD+300Gb IDE HDD using old hdds
SATA DVD-RW
7600GS
PSU 500W
19" LCD

and i will have the following:

HD3850 256mb
4gb DDR2 800 RAM
500Gb Seagate SATA HDD

so its roughly about $750 to upgrade my system and also using the left over parts to build a reasonably good pc for my sister.


You guys are more than welcomed to give suggestions, help me out here, advise and opinions are grealy appreciated.
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January 26, 2008 1:58:46 PM

You will be better off with a am2 setup you can get a faster cpu and better MB for the same price also if you are useing 2 ide HD get a pci-e / pci ide card for $20 and put each disk on it's own channel.
January 26, 2008 2:48:14 PM

MSI Neo2 FR(P35) the best you can get!!!It's cheap and easily clock to 450fsb! supports 45nm cpus...
January 26, 2008 2:52:56 PM

Joe_The_Dragon said:
You will be better off with a am2 setup you can get a faster cpu and better MB for the same price also if you are useing 2 ide HD get a pci-e / pci ide card for $20 and put each disk on it's own channel.


sounds good, what sort of setups do you recommend?

amd dual core.. like the entry level dual core model? If thats the case then i wont bother with OC, then i can settle with a cheap mobo as well.
January 26, 2008 3:06:02 PM

Non OC'ed, one of the Athlon X2's would probably be faster than the E2160, but if you were to OC the E2160 then it would blow the X2 away.

It would be much cheaper to go with AMD though. About $100 for a CPU/MoBo. $60 chip + $40 Mobo. Not sure though if you want to go THAT cheap with the MoBo, but it's doable.
January 26, 2008 4:03:02 PM

you can get good nforce 5xx boards for $70-$90 or you can get a AMD 7xx board with am2+ for about the same price on the low end.
January 26, 2008 5:43:02 PM

ABIT AN52 AM2 NVIDIA nForce 520 MCP ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
$70

AMD Athlon 64 X2 4000+ Brisbane 2.1GHz 2 x 512KB L2 Cache Socket AM2 65W Dual-Core Processor - Retail

$60


what do you guys rekon? good enough for a bit of small overclocking? it doesnt sound much cheaper than the Intel option


intel option

Intel Pentium E2160 Allendale 1.8GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80557E2160 - Retail
$80

Foxconn P9657AB-8EKRS2H LGA 775 Intel P965 Express ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
$90

OR

ECS P35T-A LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail

$74

OR

GIGABYTE GA-G31M-S2L LGA 775 Intel G31 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard
$67


about $30 bucks difference... what are the performance difference like?
January 29, 2008 10:01:01 AM

For your AMD mobo choice the Biostar T series have a great reputation for cheap OCable functions so i and based on what i am reading from users of this newest T board, the factthat it can also support quad phenoms gives you the option of moving to a B3 phenom in the future:
(and costs just $12 more)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductReview.aspx?Item=N...
January 29, 2008 10:49:01 AM

Go for the AM2+ budget MB. It leaves you with hudge upgrade possibilities that you will never see on Intel. A super budget AM2+ system is about 30-40% cheaper for performance per $.
January 29, 2008 11:16:13 AM

I think you need to allow a lot more than $35 for a PSU. Cheap ones tend to be incapable of producing anywhere near their rated output under real world conditions (e.g. at 50c rather than 25c), often croak when stressed, and don't like to die alone.
Here are two you might consider:
FSP Group AX500-PN ATX2.2 500W Power Supply 110-120/ 220-240V UL, CSA, VDE, NEMKO, TUV, CE, CB, FCC - $60 after $10 MIR.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Antec earthwatts EA500 ATX12V v2.0 500W Power Supply 100 - 240 V UL, CUL, FCC, TUV, CE, CB, C-tick, CCC - $60 after $30 MIR.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

In any case, there's a tiered quality listing for PSUs at http://www.tomswiki.com/page/Tiered+PSU+Listings?t=anon. Choose one from Tier-3 or better.
January 29, 2008 9:15:54 PM

got a combo deal at one of the local frys store. $78 for E2200 and an ECS 945GCT board.

im going to get that rather... if it doesnt work out ill return it.

in the meanwhile, i ordered the GIGABYTE GA-G31M it has onboard video which will save me a few bucks for the new setup. Now the question is, in the next month or so, im upgrading my vga to replace the old 7600gs, which card should be my best buy from... lets say $160 to $200 region?

and i havnt bothered with the psu as yet, im gonna try run the 350w that came with the my mate's case. he used that same psu for months and its 100% fine. i will get a 450 or 500 later on if there is a need.

gfx is what im concerning about now.. im told the HD38x0 series price is gonna drop pretty soon, which makes it a cracking buy. but also what ive heard is that you can get a 2900pro 512bit version and OC that to XT speed, problem is i cant find any 512bit version on newegg anymore. so my options are dropped down to 8800gt(if price gets to $200), HD3850 512mb, or 2900pro 512.

what do you guys rekon?
January 29, 2008 10:11:31 PM

My recomendations:

E2180 (OCed to 3.2Ghz)
P35-DS3L or P5K-x
A good CPU cooler
Good top tire PSU like a Corsair 520HX/550VX
3850 or the like depending on the budget.

**Dont go with any thing other than a P35 or better or smiler nVidia chipset, this is because the once you have enough money you can drop in a E8xxx CPU on most P35 motherboards.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
^P35-DS3L. $100.
January 29, 2008 11:37:39 PM

what kind of cpu fan do you recommend? nothing too expensive. i just want to overclock to 3.0ghz @ 333 x 9.0 from stock 200 x 9.0

so all my parts arrived. cpu (E2160), mobo (GIGABYTE GA-G31M-S2L LGA 775 Intel G31 Micro ATX Intel), Ram Corsair 2gb dual channel. and various other stuff.

since im still waiting for the hdd to arrive, im just playing around with simple oc here, messing around in bios. i managed to get pass post with 250 x 9. do i need to raise the voltage? and what should be my ram:cpu settings be?
January 30, 2008 12:34:08 AM

^Should have gone with a P35-DS3L. Better upgrade path.

Run Prime95 for at least 5hours and see if it errors out. If it dose increase voltage,etc. Keep an eye on temperatures and other stuff.
January 30, 2008 2:10:32 AM

Ya agreed - i prefer to spend just a bit more on any mobo be it Intel/AMD provided it has an upgrade path which would pay off ^^
January 30, 2008 4:06:59 AM

Shadow703793 said:
^Should have gone with a P35-DS3L. Better upgrade path.

Run Prime95 for at least 5hours and see if it errors out. If it dose increase voltage,etc. Keep an eye on temperatures and other stuff.



current setting is 266 x 9 = 2.4ghz. everything on default setting, when the fans arrive in the next few days, im gonna try crank it up to 333.

ive already tried running orthos for a few hours and it seems to be pretty solid. i will try prime95 a little later.
January 30, 2008 7:45:52 PM

^Orthos and Prime95 are pretty much the same. (As long as you run the same tests Small FFT,etc)
February 1, 2008 9:52:26 PM

got my fans and a 500w psu this morning. installed a 80mm case fan and another 120mm, so now i have 2 fans running on the side of the case, forcing cold air in the case to cool down the mobo and the components.

Problem is... even after i changed the stock cpu fan to an intel E4300 factory fan, it still hits 60c when running Orthos.

300x9=2.7ghz @ stock voltage, 60c max load with E4300 factory fan.

I installed the psu but cant tell any difference, the new psu made no difference to the system but kind of made me feel safer cos i was running a cheap 350w psu that comes with my **** case. im sure it will benefit the system in the long run.

now im just down to a good cpu fan and a vga card then im all set.

im still looking for a good DX10 card that performs around the level of a HD3850 512 / HD3870 512/256mb / 8800GT 256mb level. Somewhere in the region of $170 ~ 200.

as for the cpu fan, i got quite a few in mind here, can you help me to pick the best one?


]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835185125"] ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 64 Pro 92mm CPU Cooler - $20

]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103031"] COOLER MASTER RR-CCH-L9U1-GP 92mm Hyper TX2 CPU Cooler - $22

]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835887004"]ZEROtherm CF900 92mm CPU Cooler - $27.99
($17.99 after $10.00 Mail-In Rebate)

]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835101008"]ASUS V-Nardo 80mm 2 Ball Unique Fan Duct for VRM Care - $25

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835200035Rosewill RCX-Z775-LX 92mm Ball CPU Cooler - $17

also an alternative route is for me give my cpu fan]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835887012"]my cpu fan to my sister, which will be plenty for that E2160, and then get a watercooling system for my pc.

is that idea feasiable? or should i wake up and stick with aircooling?
February 3, 2008 1:53:19 PM

^Stick with air cooling. Unless getting a better CPU and you are trying to OC that to almost max then Water cooling is kind of an overkill. Go with the ZEROtherm CF900 92mm CPU Cooler or this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
or
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

MadCow809 said:

I installed the psu but cant tell any difference, the new psu made no difference to the system but kind of made me feel safer cos i was running a cheap 350w psu that comes with my **** case. im sure it will benefit the system in the long run.

You certainly will benefit from that new PSU. The PSU/System life was greatly increased with the new PSU.
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