my new comp build

This is my new build that i will be doing in the next month.. any flaming apreciated

Western Digital Raptor SATA (WD1500ADFD) 150GB 10,000 RPM 16MB Buffer (OEM)
Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Ultimate Gamer Case

Antec Power Supply TP3-650 TruePower Trio 650W ATX12V 2.2 120mm Fan 80PLUS ROHS

Asus EN8800GT/G/HTDP/512M nVidia GeForce 8800GT Chipset (600Mhz) 512MB (1800Mhz) GDDR3 Dual DVI Display PCI-Express Graphics Card

Asus P5K3 Deluxe/WiFi-AP Socket 775 Intel P35 ICH9R Chipset Dual-Channel DDR3 1333/1066/800Mhz Dual GigaLAN 2x PCIe x16 eSATA/SATA 3.0Gb/s Firewire 10x USB 2.0

Patriot Extreme Performance 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory (PDC32G1333LLK)

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I'm not sure it's a good thing too go with DDR3 for now, better to stick with DDR2, cheaper at that time. Get 4 or 8 gig of sli-ready memory. it will be run almost the same as DDr3-1333. for a lot cheaper. They had a review here on the DDR3.

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RAM that is SLi-ready doesn't really mean anything... It doesn't hurt, but it doesn't help, as you usually have to set timings manually anyways (plus, he's on an Intel-based system).

I'd go for something like this:

Asus P5K-E/WIFI AP for ~$150

2 kits of the 4GB G.Skill DDR2-1000 RAM for 8Gb total (well, that's if you're gonna be running a 64-bit OS, I would recommend such) for ~$115 per kit

You'll have a much better system for a LOT less money.

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What is this build for? Gaming, database work, video encoding? I assume gaming, what with the 8800GT.
What is your screen resolution? If it's 1920x1200 or more you need an HD 3870X2 or a SLI/Crossfire setup.

I'd replace the Raptor with a WD7500AAKS for about the same money. Almost the same speed, 5 times the space, quieter.

Assuming a screen resolution of 1680x1050 or less, i.e. no need for SLI/Crossfire, I'd replace the mobo with one of the following: P5K-E, P5K Deluxe, GA-P35-DS4, GA-P35-DS3L, GA-P35-DS3R, aBit IP35 Pro. Compare features at newegg. Of course, use DDR2-800 with any of those. If it's just for gaming, 2GB is enough for most people.

For higher screen resolutions, a good combination is eVGA 780i with 8800GTS G92 512MB (so you can add a second card later and do SLI). Another is GA-X38-DS4 with HD 3870X2 (so you can add another card and do Crossfire).

I don't like the 8800GT. Too much trouble with heating, too little overclocking ability.

Good case/PSU. There are PSUs I like more, like the Silencer 610W. (750W for SLI/Crossfire).

CPU/DVD/OS?

Will you overclock the CPU?

Message edited by aevm on 01-28-2008 at 05:45:50 PM

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I am using it for some programming ex : visual studio and sql forms etc as well as gaming. i am going to watercool in the long run and overclock and was considering changing the cpu to the quad 6600. but that lowers my fsb from 1333

my tower is antec 900
i dont care to much for the dvd drive so long as it runs stable..
The current mobo i have selected only suppports ddr3. also i heard alot of bad things from that Gigabyte GA-P35C-DS3R ppl saying it reboots in a loop and has occured alot.

i dont like vista so for now il use win xp pro or 64 bit

Message edited by aquadisaster on 01-28-2008 at 06:51:19 PM

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any other suggestions? so far i have this as a build with the mods:

Western Digital Caviar (WD7500AAKS) 750GB SATAII 7200RPM 16MB Buffer (OEM)

Asus EN8800GT/G/HTDP/512M nVidia GeForce 8800GT Chipset (600Mhz) 512MB (1800Mhz) GDDR3 Dual DVI Display PCI-Express Graphics Card

Asus P5K3 Deluxe/WiFi-AP Socket 775 Intel P35 ICH9R Chipset Dual-Channel DDR3 1333/1066/800Mhz Dual GigaLAN 2x PCIe x16 eSATA/SATA 3.0Gb/s Firewire 10x USB 2.0

Patriot Extreme Performance 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory (PDC32G1333LLK)

Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Quad-Core Socket LGA775, 2.40 GHz, 1066 MHz FSB, 8MB L2 Cache, 65nm (Retail Box) (BX80562Q6600)

Antec Power Supply TP3-650 TruePower Trio 650W ATX12V 2.2 120mm Fan 80PLUS ROHS

im still undecided whether i should go with ddr3 mem + this mb or downgrade the mobo and get ddr2.

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noone have any suggestions?

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So, the GA-P35C-DS3R reboots in a loop, really? Mine never did, in 6 months. I suspect some of those who get this problem are using memory outside the QVL (qualified vendor list) listed on Gigabyte's site. I won't recommend the P35C even if mine works fine. I'd prefer the DS4 if I bought today, just because it has features like a second video card slot and Firewire and better overclocking.

Q6600 is good for Visual Studio work, if your projects are big. Mine for example is pretty big (2MB of source code) and the quad helps, especially if you add Oracle and IIS in the picture. I noticed that VS.Net 2005 needs a much faster CPU and more RAM than the 2003 version, and I expect VS.Net 2008 to be even worse. Get 4 GB of RAM.

You can easily reach 3.2 GHz with Q6600/Tuniq Tower. I've seen people reach 3.6 and 3.7 too, but that's not so easy.

I'd suggest Crucial Ballistix RAM - it has a great reputation for overclocking.

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Crucial Ballistix Tracer (BL2KIT12864AL1065) DDR2 1066Mhz PC2 8500 2GB Kit (1GB x 2) 240-pin (with LEDs)

that was the ram i first had in mind before i had a look at the new mobo. Im kind of nervous because im planning on buying in about a week and cant get a solid list together.
does that ram work well with the GA-P35C-DS3R?
id probably get 4 1 gig dims, and the GA-P35C-DS3R cuz its cheaper and it will still work for me.

EDIT: i heard there was a small problem that can be easily fixed. the Crucial ram operates at 2.2v and the mobo default is 1.8v but i can just change that during bootup

Message edited by aquadisaster on 01-28-2008 at 08:10:29 PM

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Do you need eSATA? If you don't, get the GA-P35-DS3R. Compared to the P35C, it loses eSATA and the DDR3 support, it's cheaper, and it overclocks better.

That Tracer memory costs $110 for 2 GB and gets some scary reviews at newegg (for example a guy used 24 of them and 19 died). I'd try this one instead:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820146565
Crucial Ballistix 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800
($50 after rebate). I'm not sure if you get rebates for two sets or just one. Maybe ask a friend to order one for you.

The GA-P35-DS3R and this DDr2-800 do work together, you just need to adjust timings in the BIOS for best results. Here's a quote from a review:

Quote :

Pros: I bought this pair of DDR2 RAM back in August 2007, and never had problems with it. They run in Dual Channel Memory mode in my Gigabyte P35-DS3R motherboard. Running XP & Vista is a breeze thanks to these.

Cons: None

Other Thoughts: My motherboard automatically set the timings to 5-5-5-18. I was able to change it in the BIOS to 4-4-4-12, which is the manufacturer's timings, with no problem. Overvolting is not necessary to do this.

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should i go and get only ddr2 800?
im going to be running a quad core and with a 1066 fsb. personally that ram seems slow to me but i never used it before.

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OK! last item on the agenda before i get my final list!

i had a look at crucial 800 ram but i think that i can do better than that..
Crucial Ballistix (BL2KIT12864AA1065) DDR2 1066Mhz PC2 8500 2GB Kit (1GB x 2) 240-pin

is what i would prefer.. has anyone had any problems with 1066mhz crucial mem in the GA-P35C-DS3R mobo i know aevm told me that the crucial ballistix tracer memory isnt very reliable but im unsure about the 1066mhz crucial.

the major issue i think i might have if i get 2 pairs of this ram is getting them to sit at 2.2v, since its default to 1.9, would i need some other ram to boot the comp up at first and change the setting or can i boot 2.2v ram with 1.8v power?
ram is my weak spot so any help apreciated!

Message edited by aquadisaster on 01-29-2008 at 07:06:46 AM

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Wat is GO stepping?

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im unfamiliar with go stepping... i just wanted to know if id mess up my computer trying to boot first time with 2.2v 1066mhz crucial ram @ 1.8v

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No you won't mess anything up using 2.2v for memory at 800/1066. One thing you might not like is how loud the GPU cooler is on the 8800GT, the 8800GTS has a much better GPU cooler on it with less noise plus will OC most likely to 780-800MHz GPU core. To be honest as of lastnight my second kit of Crucial Ballistix Tracers went bad again :fou: , I'll give them one more try and if they fail me again i'll just go for the regular Crucial Ballistix gold dimms. I believe my Crucials went bad again because both kits came from the same batch, therefore...

------------------------------ Intel C2D E6600 @ 3.2GHz * Asus P5E * 2x1 GB Crucial Ballistix Tracers * Raptor X * EVGA Geforce 8800GTX 768MB 651MHz/1525MHz/2100MHz * X-FI Fatal1ty Pro * Enermax Infiniti 720W PSU * Creative THX5.1 * Tuniq Tower 120
Silverstone TJ09 * Windows XP
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What is G0 stepping - it's the latest and improved version of the Q6600, it consumes 95W instead of 105W and overclocks better.

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ok. this looks like my final build below. Im going to be doing it in aprox 2 weeks today, hope it all goes good.
Thanks for all the help guys and aevm. You helped me out a lot.

Crucial Ballistix (BL2KIT12864AA1065) DDR2 1066Mhz PC2 8500 2GB Kit (1GB x 2) 240-pin

Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Quad-Core Socket LGA775, 2.40 GHz, 1066 MHz FSB, 8MB L2 Cache, 65nm (Retail Box) (BX80562Q6600)

Western Digital Caviar (WD7500AAKS) 750GB SATAII 7200RPM 16MB Buffer (OEM)

Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Ultimate Gamer Case

Antec Power Supply TP3-650 TruePower Trio 650W ATX12V 2.2 120mm Fan 80PLUS ROHS

Gigabyte GA-P35C-DS3R Socket 775 Intel P35 + ICH9R Dual-Channel DDR2 1066/800/667/533Mhz GigaLAN 8-Channel Audio Support 1333Mhz FSB

Asus EN8800GTS/HTDP/512M nVidia GeForce 8800GTS Chipset (650Mhz) 512MB (1940Mhz) GDDR3 Dual Dual-Link DVI Display PCI-Express 2.0 Graphics Card

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Message edited by aquadisaster on 01-29-2008 at 06:27:57 PM

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aquadisaster wrote :

ok. this looks like my final build below. Im going to be doing it in aprox 2 weeks today, hope it all goes good.
Thanks for all the help guys and aevm. You helped me out a lot.

Crucial Ballistix (BL2KIT12864AA1065) DDR2 1066Mhz PC2 8500 2GB Kit (1GB x 2) 240-pin

Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Quad-Core Socket LGA775, 2.40 GHz, 1066 MHz FSB, 8MB L2 Cache, 65nm (Retail Box) (BX80562Q6600)

Western Digital Caviar (WD7500AAKS) 750GB SATAII 7200RPM 16MB Buffer (OEM)

Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Ultimate Gamer Case

Antec Power Supply TP3-650 TruePower Trio 650W ATX12V 2.2 120mm Fan 80PLUS ROHS

Gigabyte GA-P35C-DS3R Socket 775 Intel P35 + ICH9R Dual-Channel DDR2 1066/800/667/533Mhz GigaLAN 8-Channel Audio Support 1333Mhz FSB

Asus EN8800GTS/HTDP/512M nVidia GeForce 8800GTS Chipset (650Mhz) 512MB (1940Mhz) GDDR3 Dual Dual-Link DVI Display PCI-Express 2.0 Graphics Card

Don't be suprised if your 8800GTS hits 800MHz GPU core because thats what alot of people are reporting.

------------------------------ Intel C2D E6600 @ 3.2GHz * Asus P5E * 2x1 GB Crucial Ballistix Tracers * Raptor X * EVGA Geforce 8800GTX 768MB 651MHz/1525MHz/2100MHz * X-FI Fatal1ty Pro * Enermax Infiniti 720W PSU * Creative THX5.1 * Tuniq Tower 120
Silverstone TJ09 * Windows XP
Reply to systemlord

That PSU is great value for $70, and I can't beat it at that price. I tried. However, if you wait two weeks and the rebate disappears, it will cost $110 or even $130, and for that money there are better choices. (Silencer 610W at $120 for example)

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ya aevm i forgot to mention i already bought the psu and tower a month ago... lol

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Cool!

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ok i thought i wouldnt have to bug anyone again but before i go to buy the system, does it come with a thermal paste or should i get a good thermal paste for the q6600 if so wich one? and should i use a stock heatsink or get a different one? im not sure if the cpu comes with a fan.. any help on this would be great.

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LOL. Go ahead and bug, we don't mind.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6819115017 Q6600 retail, $275, comes with fan
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6819115018 Q6600 OEM, $260, no fan

Yeah, use the stock heatsink. You can even overclock a bit with it.

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ok in hopes of buying the system tomorow i was planning on getting the patriot ram here:

Patriot Extreme Performance 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820220161

im buying in person at a good canadian retail store, and they are out of stock on the crucial ballistix ram! cuz of a $20 instant rebate in the store. so i was planning on getting this or another type of memory, how well does patriot extreme handle ocing and overall performance, it has good reviews.

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noone?

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anyways guys thanks a lot for all your help! i ended up getting the crucial ram! Im posting from my new comp and damn is it fast! now to have some fun!

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