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January 28, 2008 8:28:52 PM

Final Research and Decisions:

RAIDMAX ARES ATX-801WBP Black SECC Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 450W Power Supply - Retail
Model #: ATX-801WBP
Item #: N82E16811156070

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$69.99 $69.99

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GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3L LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
Model #: GA-P35-DS3L
Item #: N82E16813128059

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$99.99 $99.99


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EVGA 512-P3-N801-AR GeForce 8800GT 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail
Model #: 512-P3-N801-AR
Item #: N82E16814130318

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$239.99 $239.99

Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80570E8400 - Retail
Model #: BX80570E8400
Item #: N82E16819115037

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OCZ Vista Upgrade 4GB(2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model OCZ2VU8004GK - Retail
Model #: OCZ2VU8004GK
Item #: N82E16820227195

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Recertified: Western Digital Caviar SE WD2500JS 250GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive x 2
Model #: WD2500JS
Item #: N82E16822136153

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$50.99 $101.98

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ASUS Black IDE DVD-ROM Drive Model DVD-E818A/A6/QT_B+W - Retail
Model #: DVD-E818A/A6/QT_B+W
Item #: N82E16827135160

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$21.99 $21.99
Subtotal: $843.92

Overall:
Case: Raidmax ATX Mid Tower /w 450W PSU
Motherboard: GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3L
CPU: E8400 3.0Ghz
Graphics: EVGA 8800GT 512MB
Ram: 4gig of OCZ cheap ram DDR2 800 PC2 6400
HDD: 250x2gig WD Caviar Raid 0
Drives: DVD/CD Combo Asus Drive

Total with tax: $895!

Feedbacks - Recommendations - Suggestions - Comments are greatly appreciated!
January 28, 2008 9:04:34 PM

Get the new G92 series 8800's. You should be able to find an 8800GT 512MB for not much more money than you show on the 8800GTS 320. And the performance is quite a bit better.

You could also look at the ATI 3870; a little cheaper than the 8800GT, but similar performance. Of course, you'll want to switch the MB then, to get a CF compatible board.

Clint
January 28, 2008 9:04:59 PM

Well let's see, are you going to be using SLI in the future? I'm assuming you are with the board you've chosen, be aware that the PCI is only 8X8 when you do. If you think you're saving money by buying the case with a power supply, I hate to tell the power supply does have enough amps on the 12V rail to run that video card, not sure but I think you need 26 amps and that PSU doesn't have that much. Look at the Antec case that comes with the 500 watt Psu if you're planning on going that direction. Next is the ram, I'd go with this;
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
It may be fine, I've never used this board, but a build I did with an Asus P5K that did not like OCZ ram. Lastly, don't use recertified hard drives, they had a problem of somekind B4. New Segate drives have a 5yr. warranty.
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January 28, 2008 9:12:23 PM

CNeufeld said:
Get the new G92 series 8800's. You should be able to find an 8800GT 512MB for not much more money than you show on the 8800GTS 320. And the performance is quite a bit better.

You could also look at the ATI 3870; a little cheaper than the 8800GT, but similar performance. Of course, you'll want to switch the MB then, to get a CF compatible board.

Clint


At a cost of $100 more for the new G92 series? is that really worth it? as for the 3870 how is this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... compared to the 8800GTS 320MB? better or worse? it's around the same price. Also this is around the same price http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... it's 8800GT 512MB NOT GTS? what's the difference anyways.
January 28, 2008 9:23:40 PM

chuckm said:
Well let's see, are you going to be using SLI in the future? I'm assuming you are with the board you've chosen, be aware that the PCI is only 8X8 when you do. If you think you're saving money by buying the case with a power supply, I hate to tell the power supply does have enough amps on the 12V rail to run that video card, not sure but I think you need 26 amps and that PSU doesn't have that much. Look at the Antec case that comes with the 500 watt Psu if you're planning on going that direction. Next is the ram, I'd go with this;
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
It may be fine, I've never used this board, but a build I did with an Asus P5K that did not like OCZ ram. Lastly, don't use recertified hard drives, they had a problem of somekind B4. New Segate drives have a 5yr. warranty.


Yes, I will probably SLI in the future =) when I have more money. What is the 8X8 PCI thing that you are talking about? The PSU doesn't have enough amps for the video card alone? or are you talking about when I decide to SLI it?
January 28, 2008 9:43:53 PM

Well first off I thought I heard something about the 650i chipset not supporting Peyryns.

Yes it is worth it most defiantly to spend $250 on a 8800GT 512mb.

The PSU won't be enough for a single video card. The suggested Antec case is a good deal.

As far as SLI goes, it really isn't worth it to SLI later. For the money you spend to be SLI ready and the cost of the 2nd card you can usually buy a next gen card which will beat the SLI.

Personally I would go with a board with a p35 chipset and an 8800GT.
January 28, 2008 9:55:37 PM

Normal PCI-e slots are X16, this board splits the speed to two slots at 8X8. I agree with doghills, SLI is a waste unless you have a huge monitor at high resolutions
January 28, 2008 10:27:54 PM

doghills said:
Well first off I thought I heard something about the 650i chipset not supporting Peyryns.

Yes it is worth it most defiantly to spend $250 on a 8800GT 512mb.

The PSU won't be enough for a single video card. The suggested Antec case is a good deal.

As far as SLI goes, it really isn't worth it to SLI later. For the money you spend to be SLI ready and the cost of the 2nd card you can usually buy a next gen card which will beat the SLI.

Personally I would go with a board with a p35 chipset and an 8800GT.


is this Mobo okay for the cpu or peyryns http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168....

how about this case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... 500 watts

I thought about it and decided not to SLI
January 28, 2008 10:31:12 PM

chuckm said:
Normal PCI-e slots are X16, this board splits the speed to two slots at 8X8. I agree with doghills, SLI is a waste unless you have a huge monitor at high resolutions

no more SLI =) I'm not a hardcore gamer I just hate lag haha =P I think this is perfect with or w/o SLI prefer to save money anyways
January 28, 2008 10:32:48 PM

strpdgato said:
ditch the 8800GTS 320, the 8800GT is hovering around $230 at some places and the 3870 ~$200
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml...
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml...


do those cards deliver just about the same performance?
Radeon HD 3870 512MB GDDR4 PCI-E Video Card:
Video Memory Installed 512MB GDDR4 Video Memory
Video Memory Clock Speed 1125MHz Clock, 2250MHz Effective
Video Memory Bus 256-Bit
Video Memory Bandwidth 72GB per second
Stream Processors 320 Stream Processors
Shader Clock 775MHz Shader Clock
e-GeForce 8800 GT 512MB GDDR3 PCI-E 2.0 Video Card:
Video Memory Installed 512MB GDDR3 Video Memory
Video Memory Clock Speed 900MHz Clock, 1800MHz Effective
Video Memory Bus 256-Bit
Video Memory Bandwidth 57.6GB per second
Stream Processors 112 Stream Processors
Shader Clock 1500MHz Shader Clock
January 28, 2008 10:45:03 PM

No on that power supply too. Look at the closeup picture of the PSU label. The Amps on the 12V rail is what you have to look at. If you get a good stable PSU NOW, you will be a lot better off later. Take a look at this one;
http://www.buy.com/prod/Corsair-VX-450w-Power-Supply/q/...
Look at one of these motherboards, they are all cheaper than the SLI
board you started with;
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submi...

You can get a Coolermaster Centurion case for $40;
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E1681...
or this one for $45;
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E1681...
January 28, 2008 10:58:52 PM

chuckm said:
No on that power supply too. Look at the closeup picture of the PSU label. The Amps on the 12V rail is what you have to look at. If you get a good stable PSU NOW, you will be a lot better off later. Take a look at this one;
http://www.buy.com/prod/Corsair-VX-450w-Power-Supply/q/...
Look at one of these motherboards, they are all cheaper than the SLI
board you started with;
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submi...

You can get a Coolermaster Centurion case for $40;
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E1681...
or this one for $45;
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E1681...


So I need 24 amps? but how much watts (power)?
this o.k? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
January 29, 2008 12:12:45 AM

I really can't tell the amps will be to close . You also have to make sure there is a PCI_E connector for the video card you've chosen. The ONLY case and power supply combination I would suggest are the ones from Antec. I'll give you the links for newegg, but if you look at other sites you may find them cheaper.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...
You have to get a quality, stable power supply if want the rest of your build to operate to your expectations. I cannot stress this enough. I've done enough builds to know, you can buy it NOW or pay the price later, but you may end having to buy more than a power supply. You are spending close to $900 on this rig, down grade your CPU or video card,but DO NOT go cheap on the power supply. Everyone else that posts' here regularly and reads this is going to tell you the same thing. I'm not trying to insult your intelligence or blow smoke up your a*!@, I'd rather see you upgrade a CPU or video card down the road than replace a system because of a flaky PSU. The Corsair I linked to above is $50. It is one of the best deals on this power supply I've seen and is a quality unit. Another site did a <500 watt comparison and this thing won hands down. I've used it since it came out, unless someone needed or wanted more watts, it will not let you down
January 29, 2008 12:30:37 AM

ragingazn628 said:
At a cost of $100 more for the new G92 series? is that really worth it? as for the 3870 how is this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... compared to the 8800GTS 320MB? better or worse? it's around the same price. Also this is around the same price http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... it's 8800GT 512MB NOT GTS? what's the difference anyways.


The 8800GT shouldn't be $100 more; you can find them at NewEgg for $239 instead of the $219 you showed.

The 3870 and the 8800GT will both beat the 8800GTS 320MB card, in most reviews I've seen. The 8800GT is slightly faster, but if you think you're going to dual cards at some point, the 3870 does better in a dual card configuration than the 8800GT (just to confuse things more).

The 8800GTS 512MB is a slightly upgraded 8800GT, but for most people, it won't make much of a difference (IMHO). I bought the 8800GTS 512MB about 2 weeks ago for two reasons. First, it comes with a better cooler than the 8800GT which blows the hot air out of the case, and it's quieter. This saved me about $40 off the price, since I would have bought that for the 8800GT. Second, it came with Crysis, which I was going to buy as well. So I convinced myself that it was actually cheaper than the 8800GT, even though it was actually about $70 more. :) 

Finally, if you're counting amps on the PSU so closely, I'd take that as a sign that you should bump it up to the next level.

Clint
January 29, 2008 1:09:25 AM

i dont mean to hiack this topic. but you are saying that 20 amps cant run a computer video card? i know alittle about electricty and most houses in the US have 15 amps in all rooms other then bathrooms and kitchens ( 20 amps ) So if you need 26 amps to power a video card or a system for that matter, not one of thease power supplys are a " step up converter " im hopping you mean Watts. becasue i know for a fact you hook a live circut to a video card it will blow it up.

maybe i am confused??
January 29, 2008 2:10:12 AM

I dont know the exact number,but yes, some video cards require like 26 amps on the 12V rail. AMPS X VOLTS=WATTS . If you have say, 20 amps on the 12V rail of a 500 watt PSU, that's 240 watts of the total output. Check the specs on some of these video cards and they will tell you the AMPS required on the 12V rail. The PSU has to have a PCI-e connector that connects directly to the card. Thats why some power supplies are rated for SLI/Crossfire, because of the amps available on the 12V rail. There could and usually is more than one 12v rail.
House current is 120V and if the breaker is 15 amps then that room will have 1800 watts. There is a big difference in the voltages we're talking about here.
January 29, 2008 3:10:11 AM

i remember this from school from along time ago. i just found it to be kinda strange for 650 watts of a power supply to have 26 amps. without a step up transforner.
January 29, 2008 5:35:02 AM

Dan, I think you are forgeting that the wall socket provides Alternating Current, and the PSU converts that to Direct Currrent (at a rated efficiency) and then divides the DC into several rails at different DC Voltages, and while all of that is going-the PSU is using caps and coils to regulate variations in each DC output.

I hope I am not speaking otu of turn here...
January 29, 2008 8:25:41 AM

H20, you're fine. I made my last post just before calling it a night and forgot to mention , the video card is not the only device using the 12V rail, that amperage has to be shared and that's why the recomended amps are higher. You also have other rails , of 5V, 3.3V ect. that get you to the total output power(watts) of the PSU.
January 29, 2008 9:02:46 AM

antec Sonata III, if you aren't going SLI, and take the 8800GT...

alternatively, go for an Antec 900 and some other PSU (someone else can advise you here) and OC your pc :) . but DONT get the 8800GTS 320MB...
January 29, 2008 12:13:33 PM

h2ocaver said:
Dan, I think you are forgeting that the wall socket provides Alternating Current, and the PSU converts that to Direct Currrent (at a rated efficiency) and then divides the DC into several rails at different DC Voltages, and while all of that is going-the PSU is using caps and coils to regulate variations in each DC output.

I hope I am not speaking otu of turn here...



yes, i did forget about AC Vs DC makes it a whole other ballgame!
January 29, 2008 12:21:29 PM

chuckm said:
I really can't tell the amps will be to close . You also have to make sure there is a PCI_E connector for the video card you've chosen. The ONLY case and power supply combination I would suggest are the ones from Antec. I'll give you the links for newegg, but if you look at other sites you may find them cheaper.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...
You have to get a quality, stable power supply if want the rest of your build to operate to your expectations. I cannot stress this enough. I've done enough builds to know, you can buy it NOW or pay the price later, but you may end having to buy more than a power supply. You are spending close to $900 on this rig, down grade your CPU or video card,but DO NOT go cheap on the power supply. Everyone else that posts' here regularly and reads this is going to tell you the same thing. I'm not trying to insult your intelligence or blow smoke up your a*!@, I'd rather see you upgrade a CPU or video card down the road than replace a system because of a flaky PSU. The Corsair I linked to above is $50. It is one of the best deals on this power supply I've seen and is a quality unit. Another site did a <500 watt comparison and this thing won hands down. I've used it since it came out, unless someone needed or wanted more watts, it will not let you down


Well from past experiences I always got cases with PSU because it's cheaper and they are all working fine (Raidmax) But that was 4-5 years ago and I guess technology have evolved and I will trust your opinion on this and get a stable PSU/ CASE.

CNeufeld said:
The 8800GT shouldn't be $100 more; you can find them at NewEgg for $239 instead of the $219 you showed.

The 3870 and the 8800GT will both beat the 8800GTS 320MB card, in most reviews I've seen. The 8800GT is slightly faster, but if you think you're going to dual cards at some point, the 3870 does better in a dual card configuration than the 8800GT (just to confuse things more).

The 8800GTS 512MB is a slightly upgraded 8800GT, but for most people, it won't make much of a difference (IMHO). I bought the 8800GTS 512MB about 2 weeks ago for two reasons. First, it comes with a better cooler than the 8800GT which blows the hot air out of the case, and it's quieter. This saved me about $40 off the price, since I would have bought that for the 8800GT. Second, it came with Crysis, which I was going to buy as well. So I convinced myself that it was actually cheaper than the 8800GT, even though it was actually about $70 more. :) 

Finally, if you're counting amps on the PSU so closely, I'd take that as a sign that you should bump it up to the next level.

Clint


I think I will go with the 8800GT =D

amd_fanboi said:
antec Sonata III, if you aren't going SLI, and take the 8800GT...

alternatively, go for an Antec 900 and some other PSU (someone else can advise you here) and OC your pc :) . but DONT get the 8800GTS 320MB...


but the antec Sonata III has only 17A?
January 29, 2008 3:11:26 PM

Hate to tell, but that power supply is crap. Not enough for a single card, plus is noisy as hell, and not a good power supply to overclock (dont even try it). Power supply is the most important, and must invest on a good power supply.
January 29, 2008 4:40:33 PM

I am helping one of my friends with a similar build. Is there a reason why you are going with refurb drives? I am going with almost the same setup but with a EVGA superclocked 8800 GT and a 400GB HD with 32MB Cache

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148297

Unless it is imperative you get 2 drives I would go with soemthing else ... refurb hard drives scare me.


January 29, 2008 4:42:39 PM

i'm probably totally missing something here, but that's the mobo I want and I'd like to get an 8800GT but the Gigabyte board doesn't have PCIe2.0. Is this an issue??
January 29, 2008 4:47:37 PM

no, you will not notice a difference with current graphics cards with PCIe 2.0. No graphics cards on the market will utilize that bandwidth yet.
January 29, 2008 5:05:46 PM

The Sonata III has an EarthWatts 500W PSU, which has 2 12V rails, each with a max of 17A.
http://www.antec.com/us/productDetails.php?ProdID=27500

I had the Sonata II, and was quite happy with the design. But it may have trouble taking the large cards like the 8800GTS's. I had trouble squeezing mine in with a fan on my hard drive cage.

And the 8800GT should suit you fine.

Clint

January 29, 2008 5:05:57 PM

I also agree with it_guy. I would spend the extra $20 or so and get brand new HDD's.
January 29, 2008 10:26:51 PM

Bang for buck?! The E2160 will clock to 3.0+GHz for around $70.
January 29, 2008 11:05:11 PM

Dunkel said:
Bang for buck?! The E2160 will clock to 3.0+GHz for around $70.


you can OC this to 4.2 with stock coolers =)
January 29, 2008 11:13:40 PM

Dunkel said:
Bang for buck?! The E2160 will clock to 3.0+GHz for around $70.


you can OC this to 4.2 with stock coolers =)
January 30, 2008 2:05:07 AM

If you know that then you know that it's not a budget chip, and the E2160 is.
January 30, 2008 2:10:13 AM

I just purchased the new 750i Asus P5n-D motherboard available at newegg. For about 50$ you will have access to PCI express 2.0 and 45nm support.
January 30, 2008 11:15:35 AM

kustomizedstang said:
I just purchased the new 750i Asus P5n-D motherboard available at newegg. For about 50$ you will have access to PCI express 2.0 and 45nm support.


What is the difference between PCI express 2.0 and the regular one?
January 30, 2008 11:27:43 AM

Dunkel said:
If you know that then you know that it's not a budget chip, and the E2160 is.


I am not making a budget computer =p "bang for buck" and that CPU doesn't have the bang. Besides the E8400 has 6MB L2 Cache and your CPU has 1MB. Also the FSB is higher =)

as for PSU is this o.k? http://microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?pro...
January 31, 2008 1:10:22 AM

I can't tell if you've made a decision on the video card, some them need a connector from the power supply,pci-e, this one does not have one. What's wrong with the one I suggested? It's only $10 more if you use the google checkout deal. as far as a motherboard with Raid;
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submi...
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