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LukeBird   02-19-2008 at 12:00:03 PM

Having a look on the AMD/ATi website at chipsets (with regard to AM2+ & 3870X2's in CF) and this was in their blurb for the 790FX chipset...

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Get the inside edge when you pair an AMD 790FX Chipset-based motherboard with the best AMD Phenom™ FX true quad-core processor.


Thought FX had been dropped in favour of the BE's?
If so, where do you think the FX would slot in? :)

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Vokofpolisiekar   02-19-2008 at 12:04:23 PM
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Probably a CPU socket? :-)

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jimmysmitty   02-19-2008 at 02:43:00 PM
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As their high end chip that still cannot compete vs a Q6600 and might have a bad core and was slated to be a Phenom FX X3?

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Vokofpolisiekar   02-19-2008 at 02:45:36 PM
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I'm getting pop corn...

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JonnyRock   02-19-2008 at 05:21:29 PM
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ragemonkey   02-19-2008 at 06:06:12 PM
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i wouldn't count on it happening

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amd_fanboi   02-19-2008 at 06:34:25 PM
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maybe later... not so sure if it will come to pass, though

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cpburns   02-19-2008 at 07:06:01 PM
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i think AMD has to release a chip capable of equalling a 4GHz intel chip before they can call anything an FX. back when Athlon FX was introduced, it actually beat something from the blue team ;-)

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uk_gangsta   02-19-2008 at 07:16:38 PM
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I think it is surrposed to be released in H208 with a clock of 2.6Ghz, cache is surrposed to be the same, allthough the multi is unlocked.

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JonnyRock   02-19-2008 at 08:01:17 PM
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Right now all AMD CPUz are like Neutered dogs, they shoot blanks. The "FX" title should only be given to the stud of CPUz, and AMD has no stud :bounce: :kaola: :lol:



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yipsl   02-19-2008 at 08:17:44 PM
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LukeBird wrote :


Thought FX had been dropped in favour of the BE's?
If so, where do you think the FX would slot in? :)



That's what I thought too. So, the website could be old news not updated. On the other hand, it could represent a change of mind at AMD.

Personally, I never found the Athlon FX or the Intel Extreme Editions to be worth much considering their pricing.

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Right now all AMD CPUz are like Neutered dogs, they shoot blanks. The "FX" title should only be given to the stud of CPUz, and AMD has no stud



No, for that you have to go to Intel for their dual core Celerons and Pentium C2D's, whose neutered cache puts them behind many of the Athlon X2's that AMD's selling in a buyer's market.

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jimmysmitty   02-19-2008 at 08:23:24 PM
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yipsl wrote :

That's what I thought too. So, the website could be old news not updated. On the other hand, it could represent a change of mind at AMD.

Personally, I never found the Athlon FX or the Intel Extreme Editions to be worth much considering their pricing.



No, for that you have to go to Intel for their dual core Celerons and Pentium C2D's, whose neutered cache puts them behind many of the Athlon X2's that AMD's selling in a buyer's market.



I think all of AMD's site is old. They still have it comparing ATI vs Intel vs NVidia integrated graphics on FarCry.

And also what do you think the Semprons are? They are the Celerons of AMD. And actually the Pentium DC's are quite nice and once OC'ed can take on many of the high end Athlon X2's.

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JonnyRock   02-19-2008 at 08:35:17 PM
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Celeron is a swear word in my world :pt1cable:

Why anyone is allowed to create such crap In the current computing age is beyond me.

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LukeBird   02-19-2008 at 09:01:45 PM
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Well the bit of the AMD site that I found it on was fairly up-to-date :)
So not sure about it...

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epsilon84   02-19-2008 at 09:48:57 PM
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yipsl wrote :


No, for that you have to go to Intel for their dual core Celerons and Pentium C2D's, whose neutered cache puts them behind many of the Athlon X2's that AMD's selling in a buyer's market.

 

The Celeron 1200 at stock is indeed quite a dog of a performer, but the Pentium E series aren't nearly as bad as you claim.

 

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/c [...] ut_9.html#
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Despite all that cache 'neutering' a E21x0 still keeps pace with an X2 clocked 400MHz higher. In fact even the Celeron is equal to the X2s clock for clock, so it's only really a 'dog' because its stock clock is too low. Who wants to bet that a Celeron will overclock better than a budget X2? ;)


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thefumigator   02-19-2008 at 10:50:39 PM
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I know the celeron E can overclock a lot but even overclocked it doesn't performs. Btw, If they overclock without raising the voltage, and keeps lower price than an A64 x2 (ludicrous low price actually), then I'm in.

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epsilon84   02-19-2008 at 11:09:01 PM
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thefumigator wrote :

I know the celeron E can overclock a lot but even overclocked it doesn't performs. Btw, If they overclock without raising the voltage, and keeps lower price than an A64 x2 (ludicrous low price actually), then I'm in.



What do you mean it doesn't perform?

At 3.4GHz, it trades blows with a stock E6750: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/c [...] html#sect1

Its biggest weakness is probably gaming performance, but in everything else it's very competitive. For a $50 CPU you can't really complain.

Still, personally, I'd prefer spending a little more on the E2x00 series. For an extra $20 you get double the cache which helps immensely in gaming.


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yomamafor1   02-19-2008 at 11:50:29 PM
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Phenom FX is different from Phenom BE. Black Edition simply means the multiplier is unlocked, while FX means high clock + unlocked multiplier.

Or simply put, FX = Intel's Extreme Edition. However, this has yet to come to fruition due to AMD's inability to clock them high enough in the first place.

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epsilon84   02-19-2008 at 11:55:53 PM
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yomamafor1 wrote :

Phenom FX is different from Phenom BE. Black Edition simply means the multiplier is unlocked, while FX means high clock + unlocked multiplier.

Or simply put, FX = Intel's Extreme Edition. However, this has yet to come to fruition due to AMD's inability to clock them high enough in the first place.



I wonder what speed a Phenom would need to be to qualify for an 'FX' moniker? I feel 3GHz should be the minimum, I can imagine the sniggers of a 2.6GHz Phenon FX that underperforms a Q6600. Then again, that didn't stop Intel slapping on the 'EE' (Expensive Edition) on their P4s when they were getting beat by A64s. :lol:

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yomamafor1   02-20-2008 at 12:07:31 AM
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epsilon84 wrote :

I wonder what speed a Phenom would need to be to qualify for an 'FX' moniker? I feel 3GHz should be the minimum, I can imagine the sniggers of a 2.6GHz Phenon FX that underperforms a Q6600. Then again, that didn't stop Intel slapping on the 'EE' (Expensive Edition) on their P4s when they were getting beat by A64s. :lol:



If my memory serves me right, Phenom FX was originally planned to launch at 2.8Ghz, just above 9900 (2.6Ghz).

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epsilon84   02-20-2008 at 12:22:23 AM
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yomamafor1 wrote :

If my memory serves me right, Phenom FX was originally planned to launch at 2.8Ghz, just above 9900 (2.6Ghz).



Ahh, you might be right, I have a vague recollection of this. Back in the days when Baron was touting Phenom would run flawlessly at 3GHz because AMD has a few cherrypicked samples at those speeds. :lol:

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