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August 14, 2008 4:19:08 PM

I'm probably going to be putting a water cooling system in my rig this fall/winter so I've been looking around and will probably get most of the stuff from swiftec. I'd like to go ahead and do a complete water cooled system with the cpu, gpu, and NB in the loop. My question is this though, on the Rampage Formula it looks like the SB and NB are connected to the same heat sync via a heat pipe. Does anyone know if this is true. If so will have to include the SB in the loop as well or is there some way to remove the NB heat sync. Thanks in advance
August 14, 2008 8:39:46 PM

The south bridge is the coolest running piece in the setup. You can buy replacement passive cooling heatsinks for your southbridge. For the rest of the setup, cooling with water isnt a bad idea, but watercooling the northbridge is over kill unless you are doing a crazy over clock. Asus' stock heat sinks are probably more than adequate to handle keeping everything cool with a decent over clock. A better solution may be to get a fan for the northbridge like an Antec Spotcool (iirc) if your really worried about heat.

What kind of a loop are you going to setup and what order?
August 14, 2008 8:50:28 PM

Don't do it.

It's not worth the cost or headaches. The only time I would recommend water cooling is for the silence

The chipset on that board doesn't need water cooling even at extreme overclocks.
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a c 324 K Overclocking
August 14, 2008 9:05:08 PM

Cost or headaches? His concept of financially acceptable and yours might be vastly different. That being said, giving advice to someone who has the means to buy what he wants isn't yours to give.

Headaches? It isn't rocket science and if you don't understand that you should make sure you read directions, seal connections and test components, then yes, you deserve to air cool instead.

Silence? Watercooling and silence aren't always a 1:1 ratio. Those that are silent depend highly on large area radiators and low speed fans. High performance depend on high-flow fans which generate as much noise as most case fans. Where you don't get noise is CPU fan, and GPU fan. The idea that watercooling is silent comes from lesser kits that don't perform as well. And to be honest, even a moderate to high performance setup isn't all that loud...it has to do with fan choice. If you can hear a pump...something is seriously wrong.

As for the heatpipe NB/SB coolers, its an all or nothing approach. You can't separate the stock coolers from the heatpipes and expect them to work. You can look for NB waterblocks (doubt the SB needs one) or get a heatsink/fan for NB and passive heatsink for the SB. If you want to OC...a NB block is a good investment.
August 14, 2008 9:49:06 PM

I don't think I would bother with the NB/SB at all... I run water on my processor and have never had a issue with NB/SB, however my overclocks are mild (q6600 @3GHZ). I suppose if you plan to "extreme overclock" investing in a NB water block is a good idea and just passive cool the SB.
August 14, 2008 10:37:23 PM

Speaking as someone who owns an ASUS Rampage Formula, I'd say that watercooling the CPU is fine. The southbridge really doesn't need it, but if you want to, go ahead. The northbridge does run hot and if overclocking very high, it either needs an auxiliary fan or water cooling. There is a heatpipe connecting the bridges. Personally, if I did install watercooling, I'd watercool the CPU and just run an extra fan to the northbridge. Or you could do as Grieve suggested and watercool the CPU and northbridge, but leave the southbridge alone.

Anandtech has a couple articles on the Rampage Formula, so you might look them over.
August 15, 2008 12:08:37 AM

Rampage Formula owner here as well. Does anyone have any pics (Not antec spotcool) of fixing a fan for NB cooling?
August 15, 2008 12:23:58 AM

rubix_1011 said:
Cost or headaches? His concept of financially acceptable and yours might be vastly different. That being said, giving advice to someone who has the means to buy what he wants isn't yours to give.

Headaches? It isn't rocket science and if you don't understand that you should make sure you read directions, seal connections and test components, then yes, you deserve to air cool instead.

Silence? Watercooling and silence aren't always a 1:1 ratio. Those that are silent depend highly on large area radiators and low speed fans. High performance depend on high-flow fans which generate as much noise as most case fans. Where you don't get noise is CPU fan, and GPU fan. The idea that watercooling is silent comes from lesser kits that don't perform as well. And to be honest, even a moderate to high performance setup isn't all that loud...it has to do with fan choice. If you can hear a pump...something is seriously wrong.

As for the heatpipe NB/SB coolers, its an all or nothing approach. You can't separate the stock coolers from the heatpipes and expect them to work. You can look for NB waterblocks (doubt the SB needs one) or get a heatsink/fan for NB and passive heatsink for the SB. If you want to OC...a NB block is a good investment.


1. Grow up and/or calm down

2. Cost to beat air is a minimum of 2x the cost and in return with a modern Intel CPU you might get a 10% better OC. It may look cool and it should be quieter but that isn't much. I would discourage it no matter what his disposable income was unless he was aiming for near silence.

3. Headaches, where to begin... Possible leaks, pain to make changes to the system. Leak testing the loop 24 hours if you got it right the first time. I didn't consider the researching, locating, and initial installation a headache.

4. I didn't say all water cooling was silent. I was implying that I would only recommend it for silence. You could also deduce that I didn't believe that oc was a good reason to do it. I personally hit a voltage barrier that I will not cross for my OC it's the exact same with or without water cooling. Even when I pushed the system in the first month my switch to water only gave me about a 100MHz bump. I have a hand selected money no object loop. Needless to say it performs pretty well in case you're wondering.

5. As for the cooling of the north and south bridges I think Sailer stated it best.

6. Lastly I wish more people would have discouraged me. I was warned and knew what I was getting into but didn't put much consideration in the negative aspect of it. So we'll have disagree about giving advice and opinions about any topic. That's what forums are for and if a few one liners stirs up some discussion that's even better.
a c 324 K Overclocking
August 15, 2008 2:37:43 AM

That was calm, unless you interpreted my responses to your specific problem areas as a direct attack. I was merely offering an alternative opinion that didn't share your view. Don't take it so personally when someone disagrees with a posting; and don't assume they are acting like a raging lunatic.

Truce offered.
August 15, 2008 2:55:30 AM

The southbridge never needs to be cooled, not for any reason really. It is pretty much the nerve center for your raid functions. If you can fit ANY heatsink on it then that is good enough.

The northbridge, however, definitely does have it's cases where it is better to err on the side of caution and include it in a cooling loop - although, I do not recommend doing it that often.

The Northbridge, typically, controls memory functions like %u2013 a memory controller (for Intel Chipsets), a level 2 cache communicator and bridges the gap between the CPU and Ram %u2013 it also handles functions between the CPU and the graphics processor on the PCI, AGP and PCIe slots. Since this particular part is always busy it can generate quite a lot of heat. Now, the only case I would ever recommend adding it to a watercooling loop is if the person in question was aggressively o'clocking - I mean, the CPU, Ram, voltage tweaking - you get the picture. Otherwise, a decent HSF combo would suffice.

August 15, 2008 3:18:52 PM

Taking apart that stock north bridge set up is very easy. 4 Screws :)  I took mine apart to apply better thermal paste. I will be adding a swift tech North bridge water block myself in a few months.
August 15, 2008 5:04:01 PM

That's all fine but how does one attach a cooling fan to the NB? It's not exactly obvious. Can anyone help?
August 15, 2008 6:52:44 PM

Well, A 40mm fan and some zip ties are in order. You will have to mount it to the side due to the wave design of the heatsink over the NB. Depending on available room you can point it Up or down, but there will be no left,right or top mounting of the fan without modding the crap out of the wave piece. Personally, I am just going for the waterblock and taking the whole wave part off.
a c 324 K Overclocking
August 15, 2008 6:58:01 PM

You can also find replacement northbridge and chipset coolers on many sites like Newegg and FrozenCPU.com. Many of these have alternative mounting mechanisms for a variety of motherboards.
August 15, 2008 7:09:45 PM

I paid a pretty penny for this motherboard. I'm not going to risk taking the NB heatsink off. I've got zip ties, I just need a 40mm fan. I have absolutely no idea where the zip ties have to pass through the fan nor the heatsink. Any help on how it's done, advice, photo's, links etc is appreciated.
August 15, 2008 7:49:03 PM

a c 324 K Overclocking
August 15, 2008 7:57:25 PM

^ LOL that's awesome.
August 15, 2008 10:13:04 PM

Failing at failling is sweet success!
Lavacon. You're an idiot. You fail at explaining something simple. Go chew on a buffalo's anus.
I've zip tied fans plenty. Just not on a northbridge that won't allow it done from the top. The space to place it by the side is very tight and zip tied fans are rattle prone. You have useless photos up your ass but can't come up with something for this? Pathetic...
a c 324 K Overclocking
August 16, 2008 1:37:42 PM

Wow...you don't have to get so uptight about it. Part of modding and customization is figuring out how to do things yourself. Not every motherboard is going to have the same mount holes and not everyone is going to have the same board. Those that do might not be doing what you are doing, so you have to pioneer your way into something new.

If he fails at explaining something so simple to you, why does it even need to be explained in the first place?

No one said it would be a cheap or simple solution in every case...you obviously aren't too interested in it if you can't even attempt trial and error yourself and insist others show you pictures of what they did. We all aren't going to go out and buy your motherboard to come up with an idea of how to mod yours for you.

Edit: You also hijacked Laminator's thread.
August 16, 2008 2:26:02 PM

Whatever.
August 17, 2008 2:52:27 PM

Modtech, I would suggest changing your name to Nontech for one.

Let me tell you a story. My 2 year old asked me " Daddy, radio on? Radio Broken?" I told him to that radio was not broken and that he had to to turn it on himself if he wanted to use it. I told him where the on button was and even how to change the frequency. A few minutes later I could hear music coming from the room upstairs. He had turned it on and found a channel that he liked for the moment.

Moral of the story? We can only do so much. I told you where you should place your fan, witch direction to point it, and what to attach it with on the cheap. To this you ask for pics, diagrams and a damn you tube video explaining it. We can not help you any further.

Note: Way to hijack Laminator's thread.

a c 324 K Overclocking
August 17, 2008 7:55:28 PM

^LOL.

Quote:
Whatever.


Excellent response; I expected nothing less from someone too lazy to do something themself. A pouty 'whatever' speaks volumes about the kind of person you are in response to the people who gave you as much information they could to answer your question from a thread you hijacked, no less.
August 18, 2008 12:39:14 PM

Just because I work hard doesn't mean I shouldn't be using a rampage formula or that I'm lazy. If you could stop being an assclown for one second something positive might come of this. So it's a question of aircooling a NB, not watercooling. Still relative, the only thing being hijacked here is your senses.
a c 324 K Overclocking
August 18, 2008 2:21:17 PM

I think the problem is that we all were contributing to your answer, but yet that wasn't good enough for you so you demanded pictures, diagrams, step by step instructions, etc. The point of my debate remains the same: if you don't want to put in the time and effort to figure it out for yourself, then maybe you should stick to leaving things stock and the side of your case bolted up. Outside of offering ideas, there isn't anything else any of us can do for you.

Always consult your unbiased, eternal friend, The Google for all other needs.
August 18, 2008 3:34:42 PM

I already knew I had to zip tie a 40mm fan for cooling the NB before I even posted in this thread. I'm NOT demanding diagrams, step by step instructions, that anyone buys my motherboard and does it for me or smartass replies. I wouldn't have posted if I hadn't have sifted through several pages of google results either. Seriously either offer help or piss off.
a c 324 K Overclocking
August 18, 2008 3:52:27 PM

Quote:
I paid a pretty penny for this motherboard. I'm not going to risk taking the NB heatsink off. I've got zip ties, I just need a 40mm fan. I have absolutely no idea where the zip ties have to pass through the fan nor the heatsink. Any help on how it's done, advice, photo's, links etc is appreciated.

Quote:
Failing at failling is sweet success!
Lavacon. You're an idiot. You fail at explaining something simple. Go chew on a buffalo's anus.
I've zip tied fans plenty. Just not on a northbridge that won't allow it done from the top. The space to place it by the side is very tight and zip tied fans are rattle prone. You have useless photos up your ass but can't come up with something for this? Pathetic...


I am pretty sure that is exactly what you are asking. Besides that, you have done nothing in this forum except demand answers and reply to posts with ignorant arrogance and the personality of a rabid badger.

Again, I offer the question:
Quote:
If he fails at explaining something so simple to you, why does it even need to be explained in the first place?

August 18, 2008 4:14:15 PM

Nontech,

I suggest starting a new thread. Make sure to clearly specify the information you are looking for. This thread, as it stands, is dead.

My apologies to theLaminator, as I hope he got the information he needed.

PS @ Nontech:



August 18, 2008 5:15:42 PM

Yea keep up with your posts lavacon they're as worthless as yourself. As for starting a new thread that's what I would have done anyway. You're the one who came out "trying" to insult and that's why I fought back.

Sure this thread is dead.

Anyway I got the northbridge sorted, not with a zip tied 40mm fan but with a 120mm blowing across. Thanks for the nothing loser.
August 18, 2008 5:24:00 PM

I'm glad you have gotten it all figured out. Good luck in future projects.
August 19, 2008 5:19:21 PM

Sorry I'm just now getting back to my thread guys I've had to move and haven't had internet for a few days now. Thanks for the info but do you think I'm better off using a spot cooler or including the NB in the loop? I'm on air right now and can hit 4.26 with a 533 fsb and x8 multi but its not stable. I'd like to take that a little bit further but I'd be happy with it at 4.26, is that extreme overclocking in your book?
a c 324 K Overclocking
August 19, 2008 5:43:10 PM

I'd say that you are doing pretty good at that speed. (what's stock for an 8400?) You might get some more room with a waterblock on the NB, or even just a NB heatsink cooler with a fan. I think Thermalright makes some decent ones...either way, probably about the same cost.
August 21, 2008 4:45:08 PM

3.0Ghz stock, most can get a 3.6 OC without volt mods
September 17, 2008 5:46:00 PM

Owner of the Rampage Formula, I have a current OC of 3.7 on the Q9450. You add in a HD 4870 and you got some serious heat issues, I have a setup right now with a 90mm fan sitting on top of my X-Fi soundcard and the water hose from my waterblock holding it down (hope you can picture that), my only concern is with the vibration from the fan that may or may not cause problems to the sound card. Without the 90mm fan, I'd be running around 55c and with it on and case open, it'll be hovering around 44c, so about a 10 degrees difference which is well worth it. My Cpu idles around 23c and under load hits around 35c. My motherboard temps seem to right around the Northbridge temps which makes me wonder how close those sensors really are.

Anywho, I don't like how the Southbridge is connected to the Northbridge on this motherboard, as many have stated already, the Southbridge isn't supposed to get hot at all, but since the two are connected, my southbridge is hitting upwards of 55c (44c with 90mm fan blowing on NB) and that just doesn't sit with me well. So watercooling or alternate air cooling the Northbridge is the best choice in my opinion.

In my case, I don't like having the side of my case left open and I don't know about everyone else, but I like a clean look so I'm definitely going to add a waterblock to the Northbridge so I can put my siding of my case back on. In the end, I hope it'll give me some more OC headroom, somewhere near the 4ghz mark ^^.


Some additional information: CPU waterblock is Swifttech Apogee GTX, Thermochill 120.2.0 (4 x 120mm Panaflo Fans), FrozenCPU 5.25" Bayres, Swiftech MCP60 Pump, Koolance Blue Liquid

GSkill DDR2 PC2 8800 (2x2GB 5-5-5-15) (Corsair CMXAF1 Fans) l Powercolor 4870 512mb l 2 x Western Digital Raptors 37 gb 16mb in Raid O l Creative X-Fi Xtrememusic l PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750 Quad (Crossfire Edition) l Asus MK241H 24" LCD Monitor 2ms l Lian Li Server Case l Windows Vista Ultimate 64 l Sennheiser HD-590
September 19, 2008 5:40:56 PM

I just put my PC together a couple days ago.

Specs are:
Thermaltake Armor + w/ built in liquid cooling
Rampage Forumla MB
Q9550 2.83Ghz Processor
8GB (4x2GB) Corsair Dominator DD2 (1066) Memory
(1) WD Velociraptor
(2) Seagate 1TB drives
Sapphire ATI 4870 X2

Currently the CPU runs at a decent 28c at idle and about 36c at load
The NB and SB idle at 50c all the time. I really dont have a place to put my PC where it has access to cool air all the time. So it's going to run hot. And with the HD4870 X2 card in it, the box gets really hot.

The case has 2 140mm fans (1 front and 1 back) and it has a 230mm fan in the case side window blowing onto the board. If I add the cheesy little NB cooler that comes with MB, the NB temps drop 1c.

I'm considering water cooling for the NB as well (seems SB is hot by osmosis), just need to find blocks that work without issue.
September 27, 2008 9:48:34 PM

water cool the whole thing if you have the time and money and yes i do think water cooling nb is a good idea for keeping your system stable at even good overclock the cooler the better i like to think
September 27, 2008 9:52:12 PM

second thought if your are think about the swiftech ultra kit try and find the ultra+ kit from them it comes with a nb and gpu blocks and the price increase is fair 280$ canadian
a b K Overclocking
September 27, 2008 10:54:32 PM

not to but into a argument but trying to provide help cooling a nb with WC is ott cos im running at 520fsb with the standard fan the mobo came with on the nb and it runs like a dream.
December 18, 2008 1:46:44 AM

was reading the thread and this might be to late but all i did was remove the entire heatsink, wiggled the copper pipe and slowly but surely that neat little SB heatsink with ROG tag on it came off, severed the ombilical cord to the NB!!! Have a swiftech GTZ and a chipset water block and run 3.8ghz stable on my q6600!!!!
February 11, 2009 8:40:42 AM

I use the same motherboard, water cooling my cpu, afraid to water cool my nb with water cooling because I burned my striker 2 extreme by failing of proper installation of EK NB water block on it.

SB doesnt really need a cooler but u can remove the ROG cover on SB and install a mini fan on it which I did this way. Also you can cool the NB with fans, However If you are aiming for 4 ghz like me which will need some voltage around 1.6 on q6600 which currently runs at 3.6 Ghz at 1.43 Voltage, you will definitly need a water cooler for 4.0 GHZ because I tried and it gets hot... BTW what brand is that Water block for rampage anyone ?
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a154/eastcoasthandle/...
May 24, 2009 1:51:19 PM

I got a question regarding the Asus rampage formula. I do want to watercool the NB (its way too hot in spain to even OC to 3 GHZ with a BIG fan blowing air all over the heatsink; i used a thermaltake dual PCI Slot fan that moves like 26 CFM and blows directly on the heatsink)
Now my problem is not to remove the Heatsink, nor do leak testing etc, Its how can u really remove that heatsink ? You leave Heatpipe there?
I mean, heatpipe is "inside" the Wave form heatsink, and right over the NB Chip...
I feel its gonna be tricky to get it done. And if it its possible, can u keep the heatsink to use the NB Waterblock to actually cool the WHOLE Stuff?
May 24, 2009 2:06:19 PM

Tricecold, if you can, please tell me What kind of waterblock u used and how u maanged to install it there :D 
May 25, 2009 10:26:21 PM

i think that heatsink was cut and polished..
a c 324 K Overclocking
May 26, 2009 4:03:53 PM

You could remove the big heatsink, but you would need to provide cooling solutions for the components it cools, like SB, MOSFETs, etc. You would then need to determine if there are mounting options as well for these heatsinks and blocks. I think some of the Asus rampages come with waterblock/heatsinks, but I don't know that I would trust them.

BTW...26CFM isn't very much. Are you sure that heat is your issue? You might need to look at the volts you are pushing...I know for a fact that SLI boards need a little more voltage for CPU and RAM to get them up to speed than the Intel chipsets.
October 22, 2009 5:55:38 PM

bydesign said:
Don't do it.

It's not worth the cost or headaches. The only time I would recommend water cooling is for the silence

The chipset on that board doesn't need water cooling even at extreme overclocks.




Don't even know if this guy is still knocking around but i'll add my piece anyway. I have recently invested in a watercooling system from watercoolinguk.co.uk. Now, yes it was expensive and I had to buy all the parts seperatly and build the thing. It took time and money, however, I now have a q6600 @ 3.6ghz from 2.4. Thats near asw damn it a 50% increase which kinda proves you wrong, sorry but there it is)) I have an Asus rampage Extreme and have the Northbridge in the loop, as far as I can see it also takes care of the Southbridge. So, to our friend wanting some advice, maybe from someone that has actually ( succesfully built the whole system ) Yes it is well worth it. Apart from phase cooling nothing beats water cooling for consistant cooling and noise, what noise?? And finally, the look, as far as I'm concerned, nothing beats the look of a properly set up watercooling system with UV parts ( lights and water ) if you have the cash go for it. If you want pictures email me at supa-ted@live.co.uk
a c 86 K Overclocking
October 23, 2009 4:03:19 AM

Looks like a ressurect and nothing new to add.

Yadda Yadda Yadda, seen the same thing on Home Shopping Channel.

Supa, you got a PM. Welcome to a forum that understands rules and common sense.

BTW, your rig and overclock is nothing special, it'a a older chip too. No news here.
October 23, 2009 6:50:19 AM

Thanks for thw welcone. I don't at any point remember quoting or stating that my system is ( special ) I mearly stated that this guy who jumped in telling people not to watercool was wrong about the noise and that you can get a much higher overclock than he was suggesting. I appreciate that my chip isn't ( new ) but im damn sure it's one of the best overclocking chips for the cash!!!! Anyway even with an i7920 can go to 4ghz ( on air ) so if what your suggesting is that i was trying to say that my processor was new or ( amazing ) im not.


BTW kinda pointless welcoming somebody and then having a digg.
October 23, 2009 7:02:24 AM

Have just read your message , whatever your name is and your arrogance stinks. Who are you do say wether ppl can or cant write summit on here. I tell you summit for nothing, if you actually want any friends you might wanna go to charm school coz you aint gonna get anywhere in life with that attitude. Further more, carrying on an old thread??? The last post on here was the end of May?? You must be a kid, i mean the fact that you think that is a long time is all relevent!!! And I kinda think you replying to my post puts us in the same shoes in my eyes but hey we can keep this thread open together if you like?? Maybe if you actually want to use some tact and talk to me again we might start again. I appreciate your prob a fast typer but bit of advice, think...... before........ your........fingures......... hit........those.........keys.........



Thankyou
December 27, 2009 3:53:02 AM

my evga 680i just crapped out and they wont warranty the item cause I water cooled everything on the board but the mosfet.

I am going to get the rampage formula and I found a factory north/south water block its from bitspower.com. I have the old qx6700 and I oc so heat is a real issue. I also fly a single gtx8800 thats factory water cooled and i could fry eggs on it with out water. Thanks for at least letting me know that this is a pretty sweet MB. I wont build a new liquid cooled rig until late 2010. But in having to put a new MB in my current rig, I might as well do the best I can for it so it will last another year. I used Danger Den stuff for the north, south, cpu and gpu on dual loops. But the north/south blocks were custom fit and take up a lot of space, the new bitspower block is really low profile.

So when im done, its gonna have one loop for the cpu, one loop for the gpu (which may get a gtx 280 factory water cooled at some point) and the 8800 gets moved to a liquid cooled physX duty, and then im gonna cool the north south and mosfet on a third loop.

Coin will tell in January will let everyone know.
Anonymous
a b K Overclocking
January 11, 2010 11:56:12 PM

I have the Rampage Formula and until recently after changing my graphics card and tidying up the cables I've managed to get the temperature down to 44c for both NB and SB. What's the threshold of these chipset? I've got 2 Noctua's cooling my computer and I still find it noisy. If I don't use the resistors the NB and SB will shoot up to 55-60c.

Any ideas?
January 29, 2011 5:29:32 PM

I also own a rampage formula and my NB runs at about 50oC at default speeds and Ive lapped the heatsinks, applied artic silver paste etc etc etc.

Id like to OC this machine now so I recon a water cooled setup is the way to go...plus I could reuse some of the bits on any new system I get with the help of a bit of milling/CNC work :) 

asbonasty :) 
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