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February 8, 2008 3:13:01 PM

Does anyone know if the 8800GS is any good and which cards it is comparable with?

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February 8, 2008 3:33:56 PM

Yep, about as good as a 256mb 3850.

Right on par with the upcoming 9600 GT.
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February 8, 2008 3:52:21 PM

Will we ever get reviews?
February 8, 2008 5:04:54 PM

Of an 8800 GS? Probably not.

It's not something Nvidia is pushing. It was a stopgap to hold the line against the 3850 until the 9600 shows up, and probably to get rid of old G80 stock to make room for G92s.

There are a couple benches out there though, if you google it.

February 8, 2008 5:40:43 PM

cleeve said:

It's not something Nvidia is pushing. It was a stopgap to hold the line against the 3850 until the 9600 shows up, and probably to get rid of old G80 stock to make room for G92s.


Isn't the 8800GS a G92 chip?
February 8, 2008 5:45:10 PM

Slobogob said:
Isn't the 8800GS a G92 chip?

That's what I thought :??: 
February 8, 2008 6:06:51 PM


Could be. Frankly I assumed they were G80's they were trying to dump. If they're G92s, Nvidia must have really wanted a stopgap card pretty bad.

Funny that they haven't pimped them more.
February 8, 2008 6:07:11 PM

cleeve said:
Of an 8800 GS? Probably not.

It's not something Nvidia is pushing. It was a stopgap to hold the line against the 3850 until the 9600 shows up, and probably to get rid of old G80 stock to make room for G92s.

There are a couple benches out there though, if you google it.

This is the only one I ever came across:

http://en.expreview.com/?p=236
February 8, 2008 6:09:45 PM

8800gs is based on g92. 1/4 of everything pulled out of 8800gts 512meg.

12 rop 48tmu 96SP 192bit memory controller.

9600gt is based on g92. Everything a 8800gts is but 64SP taken out.

16 rop 64 tmu 64SP 256bit memory controller.
February 8, 2008 6:46:32 PM



8800gs is actually weaker than 9600gt for the obvious reasons like 4 less ROP, 16 less tmu, and 192bit memory controller but 8800gs does shines in shader intensive games at lower resolutions.
February 8, 2008 7:28:26 PM

What's the different between g80 & g92?
February 8, 2008 7:39:46 PM

Oh SoS said:
What's the different between g80 & g92?


Different rop and tmu counts and clock speed. Bigger memory bus.

G80 GTS = 20 ROP 24 TMU 96SP 320bit memory controller
G80 GTX = 24 ROP 32 TMU 128SP 384bit memory controller

G92 GTS = 16 ROP 64 TMU 128SP 256bit memory controller

More games are starting to use more shader effects which the G92 GTS has an advantage over the G80GTS and is actually a bit faster than 8800gtx in lower resolutions far as raw performance goes. While G80 has less fillrate but bigger ROP count and memory controller for superior AA performance. G80 GTX is still tiny bit faster if you want to game high resolutions with AA.
February 8, 2008 7:55:44 PM

I don't get how the 9600 is about the same as the 8800GS when it has only 2/3 of the shaders that the 8800GS has.
Even though it has more ROP, TMU. Still.
February 8, 2008 8:01:32 PM

9600gt is actually faster. Shader isn't the only thing that dictates performance. More rops would let you run higher resolutions along with bigger memory bus which has effect on AA performance as well. As for TMU. I think it's irrelevant or very little difference especially with G92 cards are already peaking over 20-30 Gtexels/s.

Also these Nvidia dx10 cards do AA the old way. Through pipes. Unlike AMD 2000 and 3000 series which does it through shaders. So more TMU and ROPS you have you get better AA performance.
February 8, 2008 10:32:20 PM

aznstriker92 said:
I don't get how the 9600 is about the same as the 8800GS when it has only 2/3 of the shaders that the 8800GS has.
Even though it has more ROP, TMU. Still.

8800GS = 192 bit memory bus
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February 8, 2008 10:47:51 PM

[H] painted the 8800GS to be an inventory dump with 320MB, 640MB, and 512MB versions appearring, which would lead us to believe G80 or G92. http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTQ0MCwx...

But we have seen pics of the G92 based 384MB version and have heard about a 768MB version, totally not mentioned by [H]. So maybe they are totally off track with that roadmap , or maybe there will still be all sorts of 8800GS versions.
February 8, 2008 11:06:29 PM

kpo6969 said:
8800GS = 192 bit memory bus


memory bus is not the holy grail of performance. IF that was true 2900xt would be faster than 8800 ultra.
February 9, 2008 12:46:30 AM

cleeve said:
Could be. Frankly I assumed they were G80's they were trying to dump. If they're G92s, Nvidia must have really wanted a stopgap card pretty bad.

Funny that they haven't pimped them more.



I think the crippled bus will do.

The crippled G80 chips became the various GTS variants (320/640) if i recall. Given that the 8800 GT cards are basically defective 8800 GTS (512) chips, i'm surprised Nvidia has so many G92 chips that aren't even fit for becoming a GT.
It would be really interesting to see how good or bad the G92 yields. To bad there is no way of "unlocking" the 192 bit bus o the GS or the missing Shaders of the GT.
February 9, 2008 12:54:12 AM

marvelous211 said:
8800gs is based on g92. 1/4 of everything pulled out of 8800gts 512meg.

12 rop 48tmu 96SP 192bit memory controller.

9600gt is based on g92. Everything a 8800gts is but 64SP taken out.

16 rop 64 tmu 64SP 256bit memory controller.


I think you misworded it or confused something. The 8800GS is, as you said, a defective or cut down G92 chip with a smaller bus. The 9600 is NOT a G92.
The 8800GS is a stop-gap solution while the 9600GT is aimed to replace the 8600 series. Since it is aimed at the mid-range, Nvidia developed a new chip that is cheaper to produce than a G92. It is known that the 8800Gs is available in limited numbers only and it wouldn't make sense for Nvidia to cut down the majority of their G92 chips just to supply the demand of mid-range cards.
February 9, 2008 1:42:01 AM

Slobogob said:
I think you misworded it or confused something. The 8800GS is, as you said, a defective or cut down G92 chip with a smaller bus. The 9600 is NOT a G92.
The 8800GS is a stop-gap solution while the 9600GT is aimed to replace the 8600 series. Since it is aimed at the mid-range, Nvidia developed a new chip that is cheaper to produce than a G92. It is known that the 8800Gs is available in limited numbers only and it wouldn't make sense for Nvidia to cut down the majority of their G92 chips just to supply the demand of mid-range cards.


9600 is a g92 with 1/2 of SP shaved off. :sarcastic: 
February 9, 2008 2:01:18 AM

Im pretty sure the 9600GT is the G94.
February 9, 2008 2:05:51 AM

Nvidia giving a new name? So a g94 is a g92 chip with 64SP.
February 9, 2008 2:06:48 AM

something like that.
February 9, 2008 2:06:52 AM

marvelous211 said:
9600 is a g92 with 1/2 of SP shaved off. :sarcastic: 

But it's a new GPU (g94), not a g92 with disabled functional units ala the 8800GT or 8800GS.

Edit: Wow, you guys are quick (or am I just slow? :(  )
February 9, 2008 3:51:35 AM

marvelous211 said:
memory bus is not the holy grail of performance. IF that was true 2900xt would be faster than 8800 ultra.

1.I do not need to be educated about memory bandwidth, I've been around a lot longer than you.
2.My post was in reply to this post:

"I don't get how the 9600 is about the same as the 8800GS when it has only 2/3 of the shaders that the 8800GS has.
Even though it has more ROP, TMU. Still."

My reply:

"8800GS = 192 bit memory bus"

I don't get how the 9600 is about the same as the 8800GS when it has only 2/3 of the shaders that the 8800GS has.
Even though it has more ROP, TMU. Still.

192bit vs 256bit vs other differences = roughly the same
The 8800GS is a tempory card to counter the HD3850
The 9600GT is the 8600GT replacement

comparison
http://en.expreview.com/?p=198


February 9, 2008 2:20:50 PM

I was here during pre 3dfx days. Have you? I was messing with computers since I was 12. Have you? Just wondering since you say you've been around longer. :bounce: 

You say memory bandwidth but I say it's ROP, TMU count and combination of the memory bandwidth.

Please do tell what memory bandwidth does in a GPU or CPU situation since you are educated about this subject?

8800gt vs G80GTS anyone? Who wins here? It sure hell isn't the card with more memory bandwidth.
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February 9, 2008 3:03:00 PM

Yeah, I agree and had I edited that in before seeing you say the same. Sure would be nice for $150-160 though instead of $180-190.
February 9, 2008 3:15:24 PM

Even if it was $150-160 it is not a better buy than 3850 although competitive.

They need GDDR4 in those @ 1000mhz at least.
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February 9, 2008 3:29:06 PM

You may be right there. I'd like to see a few good comparisons of that including OC potential. Hopefully someone will do that and better yet lump in the 8600GTS, 3850 256MB & 512MB, 3870, and 8800GT 256MB & 512MB and 320MB 8800GTS. Seems with recent price drops, the 8800GS is hitting the shelves too late to make any impact.
February 9, 2008 4:18:34 PM

I would think they would overclock much as G92GTS. Around 700~740mhz and 1700SP.

3850 can easily overclock the core to 3870 speeds but that 256bit memory bus will always lead 8800GS for sure.
February 9, 2008 5:25:28 PM

kpo6969 said:
1.I do not need to be educated about memory bandwidth, I've been around a lot longer than you.
2.My post was in reply to this post:

"I don't get how the 9600 is about the same as the 8800GS when it has only 2/3 of the shaders that the 8800GS has.
Even though it has more ROP, TMU. Still."

My reply:

"8800GS = 192 bit memory bus"

I don't get how the 9600 is about the same as the 8800GS when it has only 2/3 of the shaders that the 8800GS has.
Even though it has more ROP, TMU. Still.

192bit vs 256bit vs other differences = roughly the same
The 8800GS is a tempory card to counter the HD3850
The 9600GT is the 8600GT replacement

comparison
http://en.expreview.com/?p=198

I think i meant "Even though the 9600 has more ROP, TMU than the 8800GS, I don't get how the 9600 has around the same performance as the 8800GS when it has only 2/3 of the shaders that the 8800GS has."
February 9, 2008 8:00:02 PM

marvelous211 said:
I was here during pre 3dfx days. Have you? I was messing with computers since I was 12. Have you? Just wondering since you say you've been around longer. :bounce: 

You say memory bandwidth but I say it's ROP, TMU count and combination of the memory bandwidth.

Please do tell what memory bandwidth does in a GPU or CPU situation since you are educated about this subject?

8800gt vs G80GTS anyone? Who wins here? It sure hell isn't the card with more memory bandwidth.

1.You missed the whole point I was trying to make.
The 8800GS has less bandwidth which would make it closer to 9600GT specs (which is the 8600GT replacement btw).

since you asked:
I enjoyed Pong when it first came out and had a Commodore64
My mistake on your experience, mommy's basement through me off
February 9, 2008 8:53:01 PM

kpo6969 said:
1.You missed the whole point I was trying to make.
The 8800GS has less bandwidth which would make it closer to 9600GT specs (which is the 8600GT replacement btw).

since you asked:
I enjoyed Pong when it first came out and had a Commodore64
My mistake on your experience, mommy's basement through me off


You still didn't answer the question in my previous post. Tell me what you know about memory bandwidth does in a GPU or CPU situation since you said you were educated.

I don't care if you played pong or not. Just because you played a game doesn't mean you know anything about graphics or cpu.

I used to shoot videos and edit movies on Amiga's. I used to program with pascal. I played pong on commodore as well. I've played dos games. I used to make cracks for video games. So? This doesn't mean anything.




February 9, 2008 9:26:36 PM

8800gs vs. hd3650?
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February 10, 2008 2:32:21 AM

Ha, it was funny seeing the C64 mentioned. We had a C64 and even a Vic20 before that. Anyway, I've been cleaning up the hidden sections of the basement and came upon this:

February 11, 2008 2:12:03 PM

SWEET!
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February 11, 2008 2:41:06 PM

Nice find, pauldh.
February 11, 2008 3:46:49 PM

Quote:
You think your Commodore 64 is really neato
What kinda chip you got in there, a Dorito?
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February 11, 2008 10:59:05 PM

Thx, yeah I do believe that proves I have a hard time chucking stuff. I still have our first 8086 too. *blush*
February 11, 2008 11:03:30 PM

holy ****. 64k memory. HAHA priceless.
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February 11, 2008 11:11:15 PM

Yeah, lol, what a beast. Sure had some sweet games on that though. Never knew how much that growing gaming addiction would cost through the years.
February 11, 2008 11:13:57 PM

teh_boxzor said:
8800gs vs. hd3650?


In this scenario, the 8800GS.
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