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February 9, 2008 10:22:07 PM

Hi,

I would like to upgrade from an ATI 9600pro to another AGP card, before I upgrade the rest of the system.

I have read that the ATI 1950pro card is the best one for AGP, but it has no support for DX10.
With support for DX10, I like the ATI 2600xt, but I read its performance is far from 1950pro.

The prices I've found (in Spain):
- 1950pro: 147€
- 2600xt: 99€

I know the 1950pro is better and it's worth the price difference, but I dont know if its lack of DX10 support will shorten its life too much. What would you do?

Thanks in advance.
Rob.

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February 9, 2008 11:30:49 PM

2600xt for now, then if your system is at least a core 2, or athlon x2, then later when you have more money get the 3850.
February 10, 2008 12:13:04 AM

yeah I like Frozen's idea.
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February 10, 2008 12:28:29 AM

what is your current system?

will your power supply handle a 1950?
a c 147 U Graphics card
February 10, 2008 1:37:15 AM

I vote 1950pro as it is more powerful than the 2600XT. You will not use DX10 with that card on games since it is so demanding. I vote save your pennies and get a 3850 which would be a far better investment. What do they run in your area?
a c 147 U Graphics card
February 10, 2008 1:39:13 AM

wait i just saw you can only accept AGP. I would concentrate more on getting a new board and CPU first then a new card. This way you aren't waisting money on a card you are going to replace anyway.
a b U Graphics card
February 10, 2008 2:20:27 AM

The X1950 pro is much better with FSAA. Without FSAA the 2600XT often keeps up with it. So while the X1950 pro > 2600XT, it is not worth 50% more IMO. Forget about DX10, just weigh out performance for the money. If you really like FSAA, get the X1950 pro or wait on the 3850. If you never use fsaa, then grab the cheaper 2600XT.
February 10, 2008 2:49:41 AM

The reason why I said go with the 2600xt is b/c it isn't as strong as a brute perfermorer as the x1950pro, however the power supply he's using is probably a lower end one with less amps on the 12v rail . Plus once he has more money its a better deal to go straight with the hd3850.

BTW rob we need to know what are your system specs and more importantly specific information on how many amps you have on your 12v rails, and combine wattage.

B/c if your PSU is not up to par, then the 2600xt is the obvious choice and then just save until you get enough money for the HD3850.

If your PSU is strong enough and you are not taxing your system a whole lot with all of your components as it is right now, then the x1950pro will actually be the better choice. But it is up to you now to provide us with more necessary information to help you any further.

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February 10, 2008 8:49:39 PM

My system specs are:

  • ABIT AI7
  • P4 2.6GHz
  • 2x1GB GEIL PC3200
  • Sapphire Radeon 9600pro 128MB
  • SB Audigy
  • LG 20" M203WA
  • PSU 300W
  • Windows XP pro

    The PSU has 300W, and 15A on the 12V rail.

    Will this be enough for any of the cards we're talking about?

    Thanks.

    PS: Is the 3850 going out on AGP? I can't find it here in Spain.
    February 10, 2008 9:01:36 PM

    At those prices though 2600xt.

    You might need a new power supply as well. Looks like your system is ancient.
    a b U Graphics card
    February 11, 2008 1:51:14 AM

    The power supply should be replaced with any of these cards. And yes, the 3850 AGP should be out within weeks. Actually some people have already been able to buy them. Sapphire, Powercolor, GeCube, and Club 3D all have announced theirs already.
    February 11, 2008 2:47:37 AM

    Who is he kidding sticking a 3850 AGP with P4 2.6 ghz. I had this system like 4 years ago. It would bottleneck like no other.
    a b U Graphics card
    February 11, 2008 9:47:39 AM

    I still have an IS7 / P4 2.6C system. Best card I had in it was a 6800U. I agree with you this system will not let the 3850 shine. It may still beat out the 2600XT in some situations (high res and/or fsaa, or a GPU limited game like fear), others the CPU is well below the recommended for many newer games.
    February 11, 2008 4:19:31 PM

    So, I guess the 2600xt is the best option, taking into account that I will have to buy a new PSU. I just found a 450W one for 19€, so that would make 119€ for both the card and the power supply.

    The other problem I've found is that there are no official drivers por 2600 AGP. That is a real drawback.

    But if i choose the 1950pro, the total sum would be 165€. I dont know if I would do better saving this money for a new system.

    How long do you think I can go on with this system if I upgrade with the 1950pro?
    February 11, 2008 4:47:13 PM

    jay2tall said:
    I vote 1950pro as it is more powerful than the 2600XT. You will not use DX10 with that card on games since it is so demanding. I vote save your pennies and get a 3850 which would be a far better investment. What do they run in your area?


    Ditto. I remember when my...Radeon8500 I think it was...or maybe it was my 9800PRO supported AA which was nice back in the day. The only problem is the card never had enough horsepower to use the feature so it was a bust. Kind of like a 2600XT in DX10. You'll be able to play DX10, but at probably an unacceptable level. Also DX10 is nothing amazing really or fully optimized so I would rather get more horsepower in DX9 with the 1950Pro.
    February 11, 2008 5:05:53 PM

    X1650PRO is cheaper than any of the mentioned cards and would probably be best for you. Even the 2600xt will be bottlenecked by the CPU.
    February 11, 2008 5:09:58 PM

    rob11 said:
    So, I guess the 2600xt is the best option, taking into account that I will have to buy a new PSU. I just found a 450W one for 19€, so that would make 119€ for both the card and the power supply.

    The other problem I've found is that there are no official drivers por 2600 AGP. That is a real drawback.

    But if i choose the 1950pro, the total sum would be 165€. I dont know if I would do better saving this money for a new system.

    How long do you think I can go on with this system if I upgrade with the 1950pro?


    From 2600xt to 1950 pro isn't that much of a difference especially modern games. Cost would be a factor. I wouldn't poor money into a old system. That is british money right? Pounds? 50 pound difference is like 100 American $$$... That is huge difference for 10-20% difference in frame rates. Not worth it.

    Why doesn't AMD have drivers when they sell a 2600xt AGP cards? Doesn't make sense to me.
    February 11, 2008 5:41:12 PM

    rob just make sure that 450 watt PSU is up to snuff, at least 25-30 amps on the 12v rails, good brand. Many ppl on here will say with both cards you will need a PSU upgrade, I'm not 100% convinced. If you put in your specifications into most PSU wattage claculators I find that your present system can handle the 2600xt, but the x1950pro is still a little too close for comfort. But still do able. I would regardless, not take the chance invest in a better quality PSU in the 45 watt range, as long as it is a high effeciency one, in the 80% league or higher you should be ok.

    Thats what I think you should do, me, I would try it out, and see for myself, to confirm the wattage calculations wether or not it would work. BUT I do not recommend if you do not have a back up system. I ike to test things out, and in the process sometimes burning things up, lol. But I wouldn't recommend it if you Don't have a back up PSU to say the least.
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