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Any1 has any idea abt these?

Are they close to the branded ones?
Are they good enough?

Are they sufficient for casual gaming (not crysis) ?

Any ideas/opinions would really help. Thanks.

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There is no such thing as a generic one, Nvidia and ATI both have partners that they sell their GPU's too, they make the pcb's and sell them to market.

If you are going the Nvidia route, stay with EVGA of XFX, great special programs such as Step up and the double life time warranty, plus, both offer lifetime warranties.

For ATI, pretty much all the same, Diamond and Sapphire are good brands...All will do, ATI's partners don't offer lifetime warranties though, a big bummer.

Hope that helps.

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I was wanting to know abt cards of 'PALIT', 'GALAXY', 'INNO3D' make - who use non-reference designs. Many local shops where I am list them as 'generic cards'.

So, if any1 has used them, or knows abt them - pls join in to express opinion abt performance, noise, power comsumption, etc.

I looked at the net and it seems the Galaxy 8800GT 512 MB HDMI card is pretty good on features. Yet, one review has complained of its noise level.

So any1 pls?

Reply to xanadu

noise is problem of all the 8800GT since it is single slot.

the makers wont be a problem.when buying check these:

1-make sure the maker following ati/nvidia refrence design: (such as ram speed, clocks,etc)
2-choose the one that has the best warranty, n reputable to honor the warranty claims.

these two are the important factors when buying gpus

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The galaxy card you are referring to uses a dual slot cooler with a fan that spins at a constant 3000rpm. It was apparently made obsolete, but being australia, there is probably still stock around. There is also another cooler made by coolermaster with a zalman "flower" design (much quieter), but both cards have the same product code, so it's a hit and miss. You could ask the retailer about it, but I reckon the "local shops" you are referring to would include MSY which lists "generic" cards and has zero customer service .

 

FYI Palit actually makes cards listed under their own name, as well as XpertVision, Gainward and one other brand. Same as Foxconn makes cards for other companies who rebrand them, so in essence there is no difference between those, other than the sticker and possibly the cooler. Obviously if the card is manufactured by somebody else you can expect a difference.

 

@Kamrooz: In australia, life-time warranties aren't honoured, only 1-2 year warranties (at least from XFX).

 

@night_wolf_in: Reference design FTL! I prefer cards with better power circuitry. The Galaxy card Xanadu mentioned has an extra power phase and native HDMI (no adapter needed if only one monitor :D).

 

If you get the one with the zalman cooler, it also has a jumper on the PCB that seems like it lets you swap between two VGA BIOSs, one with a 1.05V vGPU and one with a 1.1V vGPU. No need to flash the BIOS to make a minor voltage bump, and if you do flash the BIOS and screw it, you should be able to swap the jumper over and boot with the other BIOS.

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Message edited by randoMIZER on 02-12-2008 at 11:34:54 AM
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(It's anyone and about. Please... What a pain to read)

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aziraphale wrote :

(It's anyone and about. Please... What a pain to read)


:heink:

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As always randomizer - gr8 input! So all in all its an ok card?

@ aziraphale: uhmmm?


Message edited by xanadu on 02-13-2008 at 07:09:18 AM
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randoMIZER wrote :



@night_wolf_in: Reference design FTL! I prefer cards with better power circuitry. The Galaxy card Xanadu mentioned has an extra power phase and native HDMI (no adapter needed if only one monitor :D).



umm, thats cools. actually i never thought that those companies will make something better if they change the reference design, (slower ram memory). but that is informative. thanks.

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Yea, Palit and galaxy makes some great stuff, and it's often alot cheaper than the competition. It's usually the lack of decent warranties that brings down the price, normally 1 year, sometimes 2 with galaxy.

 

@Xanadu: It's a good card if you don't mind the noise, I'm probably going to get the same card in a few months (when I can afford it), by then the old noisy stock should be gone. Nothing is guaranteed in Australia though.


Message edited by randoMIZER on 02-13-2008 at 07:20:07 AM
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ATI used to have their own "built by ATI cards" along with "partnered with ATI" cards using the GPU with individual company variations. Since AMD bought ATI, I haven't seen those in the newer series.

Do you mean "reference design" when you say "generic"? Some companies stick close to the reference design, while others factory overclock or use different memory, coolers etc. I'm sure it's the same with Nvidia, which has never had their own branded cards.

I really miss the All in Wonders. Love to have an AIW 3850 for an HTPC! Those cards were never partnered, but were always "built by ATI".

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No "generic" is just a term used by the retailer. If you buy a "generic" card, you'll get sent one of several different brands, usually pali, xpertvision, galaxy, Inno3D, Innovision etc. All the ones with "bad" warranties basically.

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Thanks randomizer, I got my eyes on these cards now, namely

GALAXY
PALIT
INNO3D
GAINWARD

1 yr warranty is not much of a prob with me as that is what I used to get back in my country. Even the 6600 gt that I have now (frm JANTECH) carried a 1 yr warranty.

This is the Galaxy u talked abt randomizer:
http://img190.imagevenue.com/loc478/th_93789_d0ded82d-0d2b-4297-9e22-8cefc937c42a_122_478lo.jpg

Look @ the Gainward

http://img15.imagevenue.com/loc950/th_94161_gainward_8800gtglh_card_angle_bg_122_950lo.jpg

The core clock on this one seems higher.

I have my eyes set on these.

Reply to xanadu

The gainward is pretty nice, although I saw a review saying that the HS didn't make good contact with the GPU. That may have just been their particular sample though. Both are pretty damn quiet. The galaxy is clocked at reference speeds because it's target user is one who will put it in a HTPC, which is why it has a native HDMI output. That doesn't mean you can't use it in a gaming PC of course, nobody cares who the manufacturer designed it for, ask those at silentpcreview.com who use mobile CPUs in desktops :kaola:

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I saw the gainward review too and the heatsink problem. Unfortunately, that's the only decent review online. I hope that prob gets fixed and the price plummets.

Reply to xanadu

Prices plummeting in Australia? Dream on :kaola:

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Well - shudn't it?

With the 9000 series cards looming on the horizon and a further future lineage frm nvidia...
Also the introduction of the 3870x2 card...

Frm the last 1 month, I have been tracking prices - both the 3870 and nvidia prices have been sliding. The 3850 is around 250$ and the 8800gt's are around 300$; the generic ones being lower like around 270$ (these r the single slot cooler ones I think).

But then again u r more experienced in this field than I. So...

Reply to xanadu
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My 8800GTXs are made by palit or something similiar sounding, dabs value brand :D, brought them at first release of the GTX though when ALL the GTX's were made in the same place and just stickered and bundled by the partners. As far as Im aware at launch of the 8800GTX the palit cards were made by the same contract manufacturer in the same factory as the evga and xfx.

Ive had no problems whatsoever with my cards in their 14 months, but I couldnt guarantee that the current cards are the same quality as when they were all just rebranded nvidia produced items.

Reply to dtq

Buy Asus! It comes stock out of the box with the best utilities for fan control, temp, curent and OCing in the biz. Buying a card that is factory OCed is asking for trouble. There is no reason a device should be OCed while idle its just a waste of the devices life span.

Reply to Jerseygamer

Kamrooz wrote :

There is no such thing as a generic one, Nvidia and ATI both have partners that they sell their GPU's too, they make the pcb's and sell them to market.

If you are going the Nvidia route, stay with EVGA of XFX, great special programs such as Step up and the double life time warranty, plus, both offer lifetime warranties.

For ATI, pretty much all the same, Diamond and Sapphire are good brands...All will do, ATI's partners don't offer lifetime warranties though, a big bummer.

Hope that helps.




errr, get your facts right?
Visiontek offers Lifetime garantee on their cards.

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xanadu wrote :

Well - shudn't it?

With the 9000 series cards looming on the horizon and a further future lineage frm nvidia...
Also the introduction of the 3870x2 card...

Frm the last 1 month, I have been tracking prices - both the 3870 and nvidia prices have been sliding. The 3850 is around 250$ and the 8800gt's are around 300$; the generic ones being lower like around 270$ (these r the single slot cooler ones I think).

But then again u r more experienced in this field than I. So...


No you are right, I've noticed the prices have been dropping quite a bit over the last 2-3 weeks, but I wouldn't say they've plummeted. The only time prices plummet is when Intel has price cuts.

dtq wrote :

As far as Im aware at launch of the 8800GTX the palit cards were made by the same contract manufacturer in the same factory as the evga and xfx.


If that's the case, then palit would have made them all as they are a contract manufacturer for many other companies just like foxconn.

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Jerseygamer wrote :

Buying a card that is factory OCed is asking for trouble. There is no reason a device should be OCed while idle its just a waste of the devices life span.



:heink:
Are these cards OC-ed? I thought they had specific OC-ed versions. Like the PALIT 8800gt SONIC, XFX 8800gt ALPHA DOG, etc.

Is the GAINWARD BLISS 8800gt 512 MB Golden Sample GLH - an ac-ed card? (sure does have a higher clock)
And what abt the galaxy 8800gt HDMI with the non-reference cooler?

Reply to xanadu

The gainward is overclocked a little, the galaxy I don't think is. There's also a Gainward Golden Sample "Goes Like Hell" :lol: edition that is clocked even higher.


Message edited by randoMIZER on 02-15-2008 at 02:33:57 AM
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So, is it much of an issue having an oc-ed card ?

Reply to xanadu

No, not at all. Unless you intend to keep the card for more than 8 years.

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Haha - only 2 yrs mayb :-)

I have the 6600gt for 3 yrs - a true mid-range card! Yaaah!

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I have a Diamond 3870. Don't get Diamond unless you are good at video card BIOS flashing and/or using 3rd party software to make a card work correctly.

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errr, get your facts right?
Visiontek offers Lifetime garantee on their cards.



Exactly, that's what I thought too. I'm going with the Visiontek 3870, it's a great card

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bfellow wrote :

I have a Diamond 3870. Don't get Diamond unless you are good at video card BIOS flashing and/or using 3rd party software to make a card work correctly.


That bad eh?

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Are any users out there in this forum using GALAXY, PALIT, GAINWARD, INNO, SAPPHIRE -- cards with ATI/Nvidia chipsets - tell us ur experience pls.

Thanx.

Reply to xanadu

My dad used a palit X800GTO, overclocked nicely with a hopeless cooler. Don't forget powercolor, they are among the cheapo brands too. I don't like them much, my powercolor x1950 pro runs at a constant (high) fan speed and there is no thermal diode or rpm sensor (even though it's a 3 wire fan). I believe the non-reference x1950 pro had the thermal diode, but I didn't have the cash for it at the time.


Message edited by randoMIZER on 02-16-2008 at 06:06:40 AM
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These cards r DX10 cards. Will they run on XP?

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