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Quick--should I get a 8800gs or 3850???

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February 11, 2008 10:44:23 PM

i think that the title says it all.


384 mb 8800gs or 512 mb 3850?

thanks-

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February 11, 2008 10:48:24 PM

the 512mb 3850 would be more favorable IMO, depends on your resolution as well.
February 11, 2008 10:48:56 PM

going for 1680x1050
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February 11, 2008 10:54:40 PM

There is definitely a difference from 256mb and 512mb. Legionhardware test 3 games and they say it doesn't make any difference? Why not test games like COD4 or Crysis? It would make that 256mb card drop like no other.

To the original poster. 3850 is the better buy. You get full 256bit memory controller that handles higher resolution and AA with more ease than 192bit memory controller.
February 11, 2008 10:57:43 PM

marvelous211 said:
There is definitely a difference from 256mb and 512mb. Legionhardware test 3 games and they say it doesn't make any difference? Why not test games like COD4 or Crysis? It would make that 256mb card drop like no other.

To the original poster. 3850 is the better buy. You get full 256bit memory controller that handles higher resolution and AA with more ease than 192bit memory controller.

They did test Crysis. Barely any difference.
February 11, 2008 10:58:02 PM

Indeed, if you play at 1680x1050, You NEED 512 mb, that's the limit where 256 mb is pretty much horrid. Below that you should be fine, but even inbetween around 1336x768 (or whatever the hell the res is), will begin to show a slow down.

Take the 3850 route, the 256 and 512 3850 are identical, just nab the 3850 512 and oc it a bit to bring it closer to 3870/2900 XT speeds. Make sure you try to nab a dual slot cooler version to keep it cool for oc potential, as well as exhaust hot air out of the case.
February 11, 2008 11:04:42 PM

Evilonigiri said:
They did test Crysis. Barely any difference.


Sure Crysis maybe at lower resolutions. Turn up the resolution and you quickly realize the video card limits.

edit: You were talking about legionhardware? Seriously these guys are joke who spread fud like no other. I hate these guys. They should just close shop.
February 11, 2008 11:17:32 PM

marvelous211 said:
Sure Crysis maybe at lower resolutions. Turn up the resolution and you quickly realize the video card limits.

edit: You were talking about legionhardware? Seriously these guys are joke who spread fud like no other. I hate these guys. They should just close shop.


yeah shame on these guys! :pt1cable: 

how dare they spend time, money, and energy, benchmarking a GFX card for us, how dare they!!!! :heink: 

RAWR!!!!! :pfff: 

They make me so angry! :fou: 
February 11, 2008 11:18:57 PM

marvelous211 said:
Sure Crysis maybe at lower resolutions. Turn up the resolution and you quickly realize the video card limits.

edit: You were talking about legionhardware? Seriously these guys are joke who spread fud like no other. I hate these guys. They should just close shop.

Agreed. I want Anandtech to do this review.
a c 147 U Graphics card
February 11, 2008 11:37:20 PM

I vote 3850 512mb. or wait till the 9600GT comes out.
February 12, 2008 12:16:44 AM

FrozenGpu said:
yeah shame on these guys! :pt1cable: 

how dare they spend time, money, and energy, benchmarking a GFX card for us, how dare they!!!! :heink: 

RAWR!!!!! :pfff: 

They make me so angry! :fou: 


Do you seriously think they are spending their time, money, and energy? They are getting paid. There is no such thing as free web sites. If they don't write articles on free hardware they received they will not generate traffic. Which means companies won't want to advertise on their site.

They've been misleading people in many instances. The guy who does these benches have been questioned before. I'm sick of these guys who want clicks on their web sites. These guys are not really old or do they spit out any quality articles. It's always been just benches and that's it.

http://www.yougamers.com/articles/13801_video_ram_-_how...
February 12, 2008 12:33:52 AM

Is the 8800gs even out yet?
a b U Graphics card
February 12, 2008 12:36:39 AM

FrozenGpu said:


how dare they spend time, money, and energy, benchmarking a GFX card for us, how dare they!!!! :heink: 


Nah, how dare they waste my time on a weak review!?!

Boutique cards (Ultimates are about quiet, not performance), with underclocked memory, with an artificially pumped up price difference, without even looking at the tough benchies or the min fps. [:thegreatgrapeape:5]

Don't really care about their time and money, like marvey says, they're getting paid, I just want my 10 mins back. [:zorg:2]

Or to get paid for reading it.
a b U Graphics card
February 12, 2008 12:37:07 AM

gamecrazychris said:
Is the 8800gs even out yet?


Yes, but very limited release, according to Cleeve, mainly found in Europe and Asia.
a b U Graphics card
February 12, 2008 12:46:17 AM

Cool, hadn't seen those. [:mousemonkey]
February 12, 2008 12:52:56 AM

marvelous211 said:
Sure Crysis maybe at lower resolutions. Turn up the resolution and you quickly realize the video card limits.

edit: You were talking about legionhardware? Seriously these guys are joke who spread fud like no other. I hate these guys. They should just close shop.



Remind me again who you are? I've heard of Legion, not of you. Oh and perhaps instead of saying "TURN THE RESOLUTION UP" you could notice the OP said 16x10.. So it doesn't matter how the 256 MB card does at 19x12 does it?

I agree on the 512 MB, but you need to actually look at the links and what the OP wants first.
February 12, 2008 12:59:04 AM

cnumartyr said:
Remind me again who you are? I've heard of Legion, not of you. Oh and perhaps instead of saying "TURN THE RESOLUTION UP" you could notice the OP said 16x10.. So it doesn't matter how the 256 MB card does at 19x12 does it?

I agree on the 512 MB, but you need to actually look at the links and what the OP wants first.


I'm marvelous who has more grasp on video hardware than legionhardware's Steven Walton who just want clicks with screwed benchmarks. :lol: 

That's why I gave a link on later post.

http://www.yougamers.com/articles/13801_video_ram_-_how...
February 12, 2008 1:04:52 AM

I definately agree in the Op getting a 3850 512. It can be had for $180 @ newegg with a better cooler and the 8800GS costs the same too. Why get a more limited card for the same price??
February 12, 2008 1:07:40 AM

marvelous211 said:
I'm marvelous who has more grasp on video hardware than legionhardware's Steven Walton who just want clicks with screwed benchmarks. :lol: 

That's why I gave a link on later post.

http://www.yougamers.com/articles/13801_video_ram_-_how...


I know the link, and I know what you posted.

However your original comment was "turn up the resolution" and it was obvious that up to that point you hadn't even looked at the article.
February 12, 2008 1:19:16 AM

cnumartyr said:
I know the link, and I know what you posted.

However your original comment was "turn up the resolution" and it was obvious that up to that point you hadn't even looked at the article.


First off I was talking about 8800gs with 192bit memory bus. :pt1cable: 

At 1280x1024 @ high detail 8800gs does well within 3850 performance. But when you turn up the resolution by a notch it does horribly compared to 3850.

http://www.pconline.com.cn/diy/graphics/reviews/0801/12...

I don't need to read legionhardware. They are a joke. I'm sick of these click happy websites. :sarcastic: 
February 12, 2008 2:35:53 PM

Wow--thanks for all the responses guys-- but yall are going to kill me.

I got a 512mb 3650. haha.

The thing is, I just upgraded to a 22" monitor and the old fx5400 (i think) with its 128mb of ram and 64bit bus (with passive cooler to boot!) was struggling under vista.

I wanted something that would easily handle everyday graphics and play some light gaming.

I've beat everything that was good out right now (except bioshock!!!) but after i bought a 3870 and beat crysis--I sold the card/game..and well pretty much the whole computer as I didnt think any good games where scheduled out soon. (gave me time to play some ps3)

But i missed the ol pc so i built another more budget rig, and picked up games like C&C generals, half life 1, diablo, and system shock 2 and i'm excited to beat those.

Just seemed that for 79bones w/ free shipping I couldnt go wrong with that 3650.

QUESTION--does anyone know if the 3650's use the same cooler holes as the 3870?? I have an accelero s1 with that i'd love to cool that thing with.

Thanks again.sorry for long post.
February 12, 2008 3:51:32 PM

I'd say get the 3850 or wait for the 9600GT which is supposed to be out around the 19th of Feb(a week or so). I'd wait for the reviews on the 9600GT cuz it might suck, but at least then you'd know for sure. Personally though I'd go for the 3850 anyway because it has DX10.1 and even though we might not see that being used for a year or 2 it'd still be the best card to get in the long term.
February 12, 2008 4:19:30 PM

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I have to disagree with marvelous, my 256mb card does not drop like a rock in COD4, In fact I never drop below 45fps and usually stay between 60-100fps. This is at 1280x1024 with 4xAA no AF and everything set to high(normal).
To the poster, at those resolutions, definately go for a 512mb card.


http://www.yougamers.com/articles/13801_video_ram_-_how...

Obviously your GPU is doing twice the work in some sections of the game. 1280x1024 is not that high of a resolution. Not that Call of duty 4 is that demanding. Hell even my 8600gts pull over 50fps average at that resolution with no AA. Stick Crysis @ highest detail or even AA you would be choking for sure.
February 12, 2008 4:51:37 PM

marvelous211 said:
http://www.yougamers.com/articles/13801_video_ram_-_how...

Obviously your GPU is doing twice the work in some sections of the game. 1280x1024 is not that high of a resolution. Not that Call of duty 4 is that demanding. Hell even my 8600gts pull over 50fps average at that resolution with no AA. Stick Crysis @ highest detail or even AA you would be choking for sure.


I don't get what your issue is. CoD4 runs fine on that card at his resolution obviously, who cares about Crysis? Play Crysis on ANY computer at 19x12 with all Very High and 8xAA and it will choke.

You should actually read what people are saying from now on.
February 12, 2008 5:02:22 PM

One of the reason that Crysis is so demanding is because it's poorly coded anyway.
a c 272 U Graphics card
February 12, 2008 5:18:03 PM

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Yeah well it runs pretty sweet, no complaints.
I do know I don't have the horsepower for Crysis, thats why I haven't bought it. Hell thats why Crysis sales are way low, because nobody is ready for it.


Mmmmm..XFX [:mousemonkey]

T8RR8R said:
One of the reason that Crysis is so demanding is because it's poorly coded anyway.


[:mousemonkey:5] Hence all the pre-release quad core hype BS and immediate post release patch. I still like it though.

February 12, 2008 5:39:00 PM

cnumartyr said:
I don't get what your issue is. CoD4 runs fine on that card at his resolution obviously, who cares about Crysis? Play Crysis on ANY computer at 19x12 with all Very High and 8xAA and it will choke.

You should actually read what people are saying from now on.


Who cares about Crysis? Who cares about games. :sarcastic: 

http://firingsquad.com/hardware/xfx_geforce_8800_gt_256...

That is huge difference in high detail. 8800gt 256mb is slow as 3850 256mb anything above 1280x1024. 1280x1024 without AA maybe with a 256mb card but anything other than that it chokes.

Here's bioshock with AA. 4.1 fps @ 1600x1200 4xAA

http://firingsquad.com/hardware/xfx_geforce_8800_gt_256...

Maybe you should educate yourself first before posting.

Funny you mention I should read what other people are saying but you obviously didn't even read the original poster. He is asking 1680x1050 resolution. :pt1cable:  I even had to correct you because you didn't even know what I was talking about in the first place.

edit:
Anyway the OP got what he was asking for. Thread is dead.
February 12, 2008 5:51:13 PM

why do either 8800gt you can get some nice ones for 209-229 price range
February 12, 2008 6:00:59 PM

marvelous211 said:
Who cares about Crysis? Who cares about games. :sarcastic: 

http://firingsquad.com/hardware/xfx_geforce_8800_gt_256...

That is huge difference in high detail. 8800gt 256mb is slow as 3850 256mb anything above 1280x1024. 1280x1024 without AA maybe with a 256mb card but anything other than that it chokes.

Here's bioshock with AA. 4.1 fps @ 1600x1200 4xAA

http://firingsquad.com/hardware/xfx_geforce_8800_gt_256...

Maybe you should educate yourself first before posting.

Funny you mention I should read what other people are saying but you obviously didn't even read the original poster. He is asking 1680x1050 resolution. :pt1cable: 


Perhaps if you read my earlier posts about the 16x10 you'd get it. Kind of lik ehow you said stuff about 12x10 when the OP was talking 16x10. These are funny posts... Either way it's become fairly obvious you fail at reading comprehension.

What was my point you ask? MrsBytch posted about CoD4, you bring up Crysis. The OP posts about 16x10 and you bring up pushing up the resolutions. Not to mention that any card struggles with Crysis and I personally don't think it's a good "benchmark" to compare for most people.

If a car is never going to run the quarter mile, does it's time matter? If you can't see my points by now, I can't help you. Feel free to debate yourself, I'm done.
February 12, 2008 6:22:36 PM

cnumartyr said:
Perhaps if you read my earlier posts about the 16x10 you'd get it. Kind of lik ehow you said stuff about 12x10 when the OP was talking 16x10. These are funny posts... Either way it's become fairly obvious you fail at reading comprehension.

What was my point you ask? MrsBytch posted about CoD4, you bring up Crysis. The OP posts about 16x10 and you bring up pushing up the resolutions. Not to mention that any card struggles with Crysis and I personally don't think it's a good "benchmark" to compare for most people.

If a car is never going to run the quarter mile, does it's time matter? If you can't see my points by now, I can't help you. Feel free to debate yourself, I'm done.


Talk about reading comprehension. I was talking about 8800gs vs 3850 when you quoted me the first time around. Did you even know what I was referring to?

So a 256mb card does okay in COD4 but are you sure it doesn't dip much harder than a 512mb card in certain instances in COD4? 256mb card is not enough @ desired resolutions with AA. COD4 or not we are talking about gaming performance, Crysis included.

Why do people always want to talk about car analogy with computers? Go ride your rice rocket and leave the computer stuff to geeks.
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