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February 13, 2008 11:21:53 AM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


is this tv a good deal or should i go for 1080 p . I have an HD 3870 and pretty good system to use it with.....


:hello: 

800 new at circuit city plust tax ( sale price)


600 + 60 shipping no tax...


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February 13, 2008 12:35:24 PM

Its ok I got this one last week 42" Vizio $799 1080p
February 13, 2008 12:47:53 PM

720p is only 1280x720 (1080i is really about 1366x786 or something) and when you compare that to a full 1080p @ 1920x1080... you're really missing out on quite a few lines of resolution. That being said (and me seeing the differences personally), I suggest a 1080p set.

I think Roadrunner's set is pretty decent.
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February 13, 2008 12:54:17 PM

Most broadcasts are 720p with a few 1080i and I have yet to see one in 1080p. If you dont have a lot of 1080p channels available and dont use HD DVD or Blue ray then 720p is fine. My buddy has a 720p and you cant tell a difference until you use 1080 signals then you can tell a difference pretty easy.

ATM I am running 1360x768 on the computer, its the highest available from VGA input. I have a DVI to HDMI cable on the way so I can display full 1080 resolutions on my computer. I watched some HD 1080p trailers in this resolution and it blew my socks off. I cant wait to get full resolution.
February 13, 2008 1:15:24 PM

1080i = 1920 x 1080

It is the same as 1080p as far as resolution goes. The difference is interlaced vs. progressive. With interlaced, each video frame alternates between showing even and odd numbered rows of pixels at a time. With progressive, all 1080 lines are accurately updated each frame.

A 1366 x 786 monitor is not showing 1080 anything. It is taking a 1080 signal and downsizing it to the screen's native resolution. Essentially, it is showing just slightly above 720p.
February 13, 2008 2:06:40 PM

I've got to buy a 37" TV soon too. I think I'm going to get this one:

Sharp AQUOS LC37D62U
http://www.costco.ca/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=10301944&search=37%22&Mo=9&cm_re=1_en-_-Top_Left_Nav-_-Top_search&lang=en-CA&Nr=P_CatalogName:BCCA&Sp=S&N=0&whse=BCCA&Dx=mode+matchallpartial&Ntk=Text_Search&Dr=P_CatalogName:BCCA&Ne=4000000&D=37%22&Ntt=37%22&No=8&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&Nty=1&topnav=&s=1

On paper, it looks great, with 1920x1080 (1080p), 6ms, 176 degrees viewing angle.
Any thoughts on this one, guys? Any better ideas? Is it so much better than the Visio to justify the price? Thanks!

Edit: it absolutely cannot be bigger than 37" - it's not for me and the furniture only allows this much. Also, it will be used mostly to view regular cable TV, not HD, but I like the higher resolution because it may be used for games too from time to time.
February 13, 2008 2:20:23 PM

I just bought this one from Costco for $950 w/ $150 off coupon. Circuit City wants $1200 for it. 1080P is the way to go if you want to hook your PC up to it. I have yet to do this but i can't wait to try. Vizio is a good value brand company and is increasing popularity at leaps and bounds. I have a buddy who works for Comcast and he hasn't had anyone say they didn't like theirs. Stay away from Phillips though, so he says.

http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=112728...
February 13, 2008 2:29:00 PM

How does it look with standard TV signals? Do you get any ghosting when watching sports?
February 13, 2008 2:37:55 PM

aevm said:
How does it look with standard TV signals? Do you get any ghosting when watching sports?

Is this question directed to me?
February 13, 2008 2:59:17 PM

Regular channels are blurry on 40"+. 32" regular channels are fine. 37" im not sure.
February 13, 2008 3:06:22 PM

aevm said:

Edit: it absolutely cannot be bigger than 37" - it's not for me and the furniture only allows this much. Also, it will be used mostly to view regular cable TV, not HD, but I like the higher resolution because it may be used for games too from time to time.

When you say regular cable TV does this mean you are just plugging on the wall? If so I will comment further. Or do you have a digital box (non HD). Also, who is your cable provider?
February 13, 2008 3:10:14 PM

jay2tall said:
Is this question directed to me?


Yes. I'd really like to hear from somebody who owns an 1080p and uses it with normal TV signals (no HD box, no HD DVD or BlueRay). Yeah, we're going to plug it in the wall. The cable provider is Rogers.
February 13, 2008 3:11:12 PM

roadrunner197069 said:
Regular channels are blurry on 40"+. 32" regular channels are fine. 37" im not sure.


That's what I was afraid of... :( 
February 13, 2008 3:12:20 PM

Mine is a 42" 1080P Vizio ^^^ pic above. Only regular cable from wall "analog" it looks crappy. PC and HD is crazy good.
February 13, 2008 3:14:00 PM

You could buy an older Plasma or LCD for viewing regular cable. Newer sets are pretty much HD.
February 13, 2008 3:21:50 PM

aevm said:
Yes. I'd really like to hear from somebody who owns an 1080p and uses it with normal TV signals (no HD box, no HD DVD or BlueRay). Yeah, we're going to plug it in the wall. The cable provider is Rogers.


Ok, but here is what you are going to love. I have an HD cable Box AND I have it plugged into the wall so I can use the Picture-in-Picture.

Most newer HDTV's, at least the decent onces have built in tuners. They will say something like "Integrated NTSC/ATSC/QAM HDTV Tuner". Vizio has them in most of their TV's. This means you plug it in the wall and hit "scan", it will scan each channel, analog, digital, and HD. Any that are non-encrypted will be picked up by your TV. Therefore you will get the crappy analog like usually, which is blurry and crappy. However you will get the digital channels just like you would if you had a digital box. These are the Standard Definition 480i (or 480p I can't recall). Then you will ALSO get any HD channel that isn't encrypted. These are usually your local channels. I get about 5 of these on my TV without using the box. Which these come in at either 720p or 1080i.

The Cable company will never tell you this because they want to sell you their services.

And just to rephrase the analog channels, they arent that crappy, but once you see HD everything else is crappy. the Digital channels aren't HD but they look just fine.
February 13, 2008 3:25:32 PM

roadrunner197069 said:
You could buy an older Plasma or LCD for viewing regular cable. Newer sets are pretty much HD.

Yeah don't do that. LCD's have come down so much you should just get the latest and greatest so it lasts you longer.
February 13, 2008 3:34:10 PM

Thanks guys!
February 13, 2008 4:14:18 PM

Wel the TV will pickup the channels like the other guy said, except in my case with "Charter Communications" I can only recive the channels through the wall via the analog cable line. I get 2 channels in 1080i the rest are 480p. Since the source "analog cable" can only display analog and not digital it is still crappy and fuzzy. However if I had "digital cable" it would come in crisp and clear. Just because you can recieve better channels dont mean they will display in there full glory. Kinda like you wont get full HD if you hook your PS3 via component cables. That would look crappy. To get the best HD from a PS3 you need to use HDMI. Digital Cable will look better then analog but you still wont get HD unless you use a HD interface.
February 13, 2008 4:20:27 PM

The scaler is important. If you view SD TV direct from a cable or antenna (or 480i or 480p ATSC, if you wish), then the image quality is critically dependent on the video scaler, which has to mathematically transform 720 x 480 images into 1920 x 1080 (or 1366 x 768, or 1280 x 720) images, at the rate of 60 per second.

Some scalers work much better than others. I chose the Sony over the Samsung when I was shopping, because at the time the Sony had a much better scaler. These days, I don't know which set has a better one, but you might want to watch some SDTV on the HD set you're considering so that you can see what it will look like.

A true 720p set (1280 x 720, not 1366 x 768) will show a 720p signal (ABC broadcasts in 720p) with no scaling, in its original form. A 768p set will have to scale both 720p signals and 1080i / p signals, so everything you watch will get blurred just a bit from the interpolation. A 1080p set will scale up 720p broadcasts, but show 1080i at native resolution. There are no 1080p broadcasts, b.c. it uses too much bandwidth. AFAIK, NBC, CW and CBS all broadcast 1080i, and ABC broadcasts 720p. Don't know about Fox, but I think it's 1080i also.
February 13, 2008 4:29:30 PM

roadrunner 197069, 1080i HDTV is digital, not analog. I would agree with you that the 480p signals should look "fuzzy", b.c. they are being upscaled substantially. But saying the 1080i signal is fuzzy doesn't make any sense. If it were a bad signal, you'd just lose the image altogether. And even though the 1080i signal is being sent in RF over coax, it is still a digital signal from the standpoint that the signal is a bunch of 1s and 0s, not a bunch of modulated amplitudes. Because it's digital, it doesn't suffer quality degradation during transmission; it either gets there, or it doesn't.

I'm curious to hear what's happening to your 1080i signals coming from your cable jack on the wall. It almost sounds like they're being decoded, downscaled to 480p, and then upscaled back to the TV's native rez.
February 13, 2008 4:39:23 PM



I grabbed a 42" Aquos last year when it was the smallest model sold with 1080p. No regrets. haven't seen anything since that I liked better.

having the opportunity to switch between the same movie on 480 on one channel and 1080p on another really shows that despite the claims of many regarding 1080p being wasted on anything elss than 60", ther eis a substantial difference.
February 13, 2008 5:11:13 PM

aevm said:
I've got to buy a 37" TV soon too. I think I'm going to get this one:

Sharp AQUOS LC37D62U
http://www.costco.ca/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=10301944&search=37%22&Mo=9&cm_re=1_en-_-Top_Left_Nav-_-Top_search&lang=en-CA&Nr=P_CatalogName:BCCA&Sp=S&N=0&whse=BCCA&Dx=mode+matchallpartial&Ntk=Text_Search&Dr=P_CatalogName:BCCA&Ne=4000000&D=37%22&Ntt=37%22&No=8&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&Nty=1&topnav=&s=1

On paper, it looks great, with 1920x1080 (1080p), 6ms, 176 degrees viewing angle.
Any thoughts on this one, guys? Any better ideas? Is it so much better than the Visio to justify the price? Thanks!



I got the 46" model of this same model. It's really nice for game and movie but I personally dislike it under windows. You have to sit far since it's so big and the you crap the resolution to be able to see enything. 37" might work better for this.
February 13, 2008 5:53:49 PM

Well, yeah, I don't have a 30-feet long DVI cable for the PC, if such a thing even exists. Good point.

I should figure out how far away we'll be sitting (basically, how big the room is) and then decide how big the TV should be. Is there a mathematical formula for this, like "TV size=distance from eye to TV divided by 5" or something?
February 13, 2008 7:59:23 PM

Hmm. I would say the average distance you sit from a 19-24" monitor is between 1 1/2 - 3 feet. So maybe just double the sitting distance for every 20" extra. /shrug
February 13, 2008 8:16:43 PM

aevm said:
I've got to buy a 37" TV soon too. I think I'm going to get this one:

Sharp AQUOS LC37D62U
http://www.costco.ca/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=10301944&search=37%22&Mo=9&cm_re=1_en-_-Top_Left_Nav-_-Top_search&lang=en-CA&Nr=P_CatalogName:BCCA&Sp=S&N=0&whse=BCCA&Dx=mode+matchallpartial&Ntk=Text_Search&Dr=P_CatalogName:BCCA&Ne=4000000&D=37%22&Ntt=37%22&No=8&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&Nty=1&topnav=&s=1

On paper, it looks great, with 1920x1080 (1080p), 6ms, 176 degrees viewing angle.
Any thoughts on this one, guys? Any better ideas? Is it so much better than the Visio to justify the price? Thanks!

Edit: it absolutely cannot be bigger than 37" - it's not for me and the furniture only allows this much. Also, it will be used mostly to view regular cable TV, not HD, but I like the higher resolution because it may be used for games too from time to time.



This is a top-rated display on Consumer Reports.
The samsung is also highly rated.

I have the 40" 1080p Samsung and I am VERY happy with it. I watch hockey in HD, and there is not even any ghosting with the black puck sliding across the white ice. Very impressive!
February 13, 2008 8:33:13 PM

I replaced a 26" Toshiba HD CRT TV with a Sharp Aquos 37" LC-37D62U LCD TV. I use a SD DirecTV receiver. My older toshiba upscaled the images to 1080i which apparently the sharp does not do so there was a noticeable difference in picture quality but after a few days of watching TV it's not as noticeable. I have it hooked up to my PC as well via a DVI-to-HDMI cable. I'm running windows XP SP2, ATI x800 video card with the latest drivers. When used on my computer I have the resolution at 1920x1080 @ 60hz. Images look beautiful, video is smooth and I haven't seen any ghos. The only problem is that the text is a bit off. But that's fixed by increasing the font size of text. I paid 998+ tax and i'd have to say that the extra price is worth it if you know what you want out of it.

I don't see anything wrong with the vizio. As far as TVs are concerned though, you can't base it on numbers, you just need to see it in person and make a decision based on your own eye. I would still have to agree to try and get the latest and greatest though, just to be futureproof to an extent. Forums like this are great, but you should do some more research and figure out what you want out of a television and then find a TV that matches your needs and is within your budget.
February 13, 2008 9:03:28 PM

rgeist554 said:
720p is only 1280x720 (1080i is really about 1366x786 or something) and when you compare that to a full 1080p @ 1920x1080... you're really missing out on quite a few lines of resolution. That being said (and me seeing the differences personally), I suggest a 1080p set.

I think Roadrunner's set is pretty decent.



I happened to catch this and have a big question.

I have a Sony KDL - XBR1 1080i and on line it shows the resolution as 1366x786. I have a PC hooked up to it at 1080x1920, and various other 1080i sources.


I am selling the TV for a new XBR5, but it is kind of hard because advertising it, specs do not show 1080x1920 resolution.

Any Ideas?
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