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February 6, 2008 10:25:21 PM

So I told my wife that I needed to build a new computer and that it would cost $2500 knowing full well that she would say no. I figured we could agree on something around the $1500 mark. To my surprise she had no objections to $2500! This is my first real build, (I built one before, but with no research and paid to much $ for not enugh machine) and I want it to last me a while. I intend to use this for gaming, music, surfing, the usual stuff. I don't intend to order this for a couple of weeks, but here is what I am looking at so far.

Case: XCLIO A380Plus http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E168...

Mother board: EVGA 780i http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E1681...

CPU: Intel Q6600 http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E168...

CPU Cooler: Zalman 9700 http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E168...

Ram: 4X2 (8 gigs) G-Skill DDR2 1000 http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E168...

GPU: 2 EVGA 8800GTS (G92) in SLI http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E168...

Hard Drive: 2 Seagate Barracuda 320 gig 7200 rpm http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E168...

PSU: X-CLIO Great Power 850 Watt ( is this enough for 2 8800GTS in SLI?) http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E168...

Optical Drive: Samsung DVD-R http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E168...

Monitor: Acer 24" LCD 2ms http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E168...

Right now this is all from The Egg, and after shiping totals out to $2430. I will be running Vista Ultimate 64 bit. Any input helps. Thanks in advance guys!
February 6, 2008 10:31:08 PM

Oh, I also would like to over clock this.
February 6, 2008 11:06:50 PM

Get a E8400 (Wolfdale) CPU, cheaper and faster
Get a Freezer 7 pro for the CPU or better [overclocking]
Scythe makes great case fans, look at their CFM when purchasing
Don't know much about aftermarket GPU coolers unfortunately.
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February 6, 2008 11:13:44 PM

nossr50 said:
Get a E8400 (Wolfdale) CPU, cheaper and faster
Get a Freezer 7 pro for the CPU or better [overclocking]
Scythe makes great case fans, look at their CFM when purchasing
Don't know much about aftermarket GPU coolers unfortunately.

No. The Zalman is better. If going for an after market GPU cooler get:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
ZALMAN VF900

February 6, 2008 11:17:24 PM

With $70 budget left, and an OS and speakers to buy . . . and maybe some software . . . although she probably won't notice those separate little charges :)  . . .

And maybe I'll learn something too lol . . .

Why not the Intel E8400 Dual Core for this Gaming Rig? It should run your games faster, cooler, and be cheaper - whether stock or OC'd - than your choice. And save $37.

Also, the Arctic Freezer 7 Pro cooler is a snap for anyone - even a first-time builder - to properly install. No worries about how to apply what thermal paste, can be installed after the mobo and PSU are installed/connected, seems to outperform the one you chose in tests I've looked at, in any case is overkill for a stock cpu, will be more than adequate for all but the most severe OCs, and save $28. If this is your first build, you will likely get a better result from this cooler than any other - nearly foolproof.

Second time I've seen that case suggested, unless this is your second post. Yeccch! But hey, if you want an arcade between your legs, go for it lol.

I'd consider taking a few of those dollars saved and trade one of those disks for a WD Raptor as my C: drive (Maybe someone knows of a faster drive - I don't.) You'll lose 170G and maybe $15 but compare the specs. But hey, that's just me thinking the disks are the slowest part of this system, and that problem always shows up at the wrong time, whether zoning in an MMORPG or an FPS.




February 6, 2008 11:23:38 PM

Twoboxer said:

I'd consider taking a few of those dollars saved and trade one of those disks for a WD Raptor as my C: drive (Maybe someone knows of a faster drive - I don't.) You'll lose 170G and maybe $15 but compare the specs. But hey, that's just me thinking the disks are the slowest part of this system, and that problem always shows up at the wrong time, whether zoning in an MMORPG or an FPS.


He listed a Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 (GET THE 7200.11 DUDE), if...he got the 7200.11 which is nearly as fast as the raptors (literally 1 second~ behind on all load times except a cold boot), it would be many more times the space and a lot cheaper, if he puts them in raid 0 then the raptor truly becomes obsolete..unless compared to other overpriced raptors in raid 0, in which case you will again be a second behind.

EDIT: That one second will probably be a hell of a lot faster than anyone you encounter ever, seriously no big deal.
February 6, 2008 11:24:53 PM

I would get 2 hd's for better performance the 250gb for OS and the 500gb for Data, Video,mp3's, etc.

Seagate Barracuda ST3250410AS 250GB 7200.10 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive
Seagate Barracuda ST3500320AS 500GB 7200.11 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive

I would seriosly look into this display: SAMSUNG 245BW Black 24" 5ms DVI Widescreen LCD Monitor with Height Adjustment
February 6, 2008 11:28:57 PM

I would go with these for your build with 2 video cards:

Antec 900 Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

CORSAIR CMPSU-620HX ATX12V v2.2 EPS12V 2.91 620W Power Supply
February 6, 2008 11:29:48 PM

mlaporta one of those is the older 7200.10 models
February 6, 2008 11:31:04 PM

You should have a look at this OCZ PSU http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168....
It will give you loads of headroom for overclocking and adding hard drives.Also OCZ are a huge brand name and that means you will not have a cheap PSU and having a cheap one is very bad(Not saying the X-Clio PSU is cheap but I don't know much about that company compared to OCZ).The 1010 watts are pretty good for future proofing and will have no problem with that PSU.The 8GB's of RAM isn't needed unless your doing some serious photo and video editing.The impact of the 2nd 4GB's won't be as big as the 1st 4GB's.You should consider the Thermalright Ultra-120http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... have heard nothing but praise about it(just google it.I would consider if you're gonna o\c and sli you should have a look at the Antec Nine Hundred Case.It can fit 8800GTX sli and has 2 120mm fans on the front and 1 200mm on the top.Other than that it's fine.
February 6, 2008 11:33:15 PM

I would wait to here from someone that knows more on the video side of things before you order, if I see it correct you have 2 EVGA 8800GTS (G92) in SLI and I'm not sure your going to benefit from it with only a 24" display.

So a possibility may exist that you only get 1 and change your mother-board and what may be helpful to receive better recommendations is why do you think you need an SLI configuration???
February 6, 2008 11:34:49 PM

mlaporta said:
I would wait to here from someone that knows more on the video side of things before you order, if I see it correct you have 2 EVGA 8800GTS (G92) in SLI and I'm not sure your going to benefit from it with only a 24" display.

So a possibility may exist that you only get 1 and change your mother-board and what may be helpful to receive better recommendations is why do you think you need and SLI configuration???


Normally Sli is just for overkill builds, but with that many pixels, he may need it. We'll have to wait for someone to come in here with a 24" to testify.
February 6, 2008 11:35:47 PM

To save money I listed a 250gb which is only available in 7200.10 so if he really wanted the increase in performance though it will hardly be that noticeable (miliseconds) he could go with 2 of the 500gb's at 7200.11 which I listed.
February 6, 2008 11:43:06 PM

First do you plan to do some serious silly insane OC???

If so go with this one PERIOD-END-OF-STORY:
Thermalright Ultra-120 Extreme + Scythe S-Flex SFF21F fan (these are 2 seperate components as the TU-120 doesn't come with a fan) and some ARCTIC COOLING MX-2 Thermal Compound

If you plan to light to moderate OC this one is a fine heatsink with many many great reviews & positive comments:
ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 7 Pro 92mm CPU Cooler
February 6, 2008 11:46:51 PM

nossr50 said:
Or you could get a 750GB 7200.11 drive which would be cheaper than both of those hard drives combined and have the same capacity.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


As I stated :non:  2 drives will give you better performance not 1 no matter how big it is... it's not how big it is... it's the motion-in-the-ocean (the ocean being 2 drives) :lol:  :lol: 

If and I mean IF he is that concerend about it go with 2 - Seagate Barracuda ST3500320AS 500GB 7200.11
February 6, 2008 11:52:51 PM

mlaporta said:
As I stated :pt1cable:  2 drives will give you better performance not 1 no matter how big it is... it's not how big it is... it's the motion-in-the-ocean (the ocean being 2 drives) :pt1cable:  :pt1cable: 

If and I mean IF he is that concerend about it go with 2 - Seagate Barracuda ST3500320AS 500GB 7200.11


:pfff:  Only if 2 drivers are used in RAID 0 will they beat an identical model single drive of equal capacity in speed, otherwise...they will just be equal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID

Here is some nice reading material for you
February 7, 2008 12:48:39 AM

why do you need to use 8gb of ram?
February 7, 2008 2:37:12 AM

nossr50 said:
:pfff:  Only if 2 drivers are used in RAID 0 will they beat an identical model single drive of equal capacity in speed, otherwise...they will just be equal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID

Here is some nice reading material for you


Hehe. And the sky is blue. Your statement is true as far as it goes, but irrelevant in context.

Take two identical disk drives. Isolate (eg) your "swap file" on drive #2, and your system will perform better than if everything were on one drive. The two drives give identical performance, but your system runs faster. Whenever you can spread files needed by the application(s) currently running, you cannot lose performance, and you may gain.

You can argue whether the gain is worthwhile, but you cannot argue there is no gain.
February 8, 2008 1:55:59 PM

That's a lot of really good input. I'll have to check into these parts you guys suggested. Thanks a lot for all the help. I was under the impression from reading other posts that 1920*1200 res is where I would start to see the bennefits of SLI. Is this true, or am I misguided here? As for the ram, I don't know that I would need 8 gigs, just thought it couldn't hurt. Would I be better of to just go with 4 gigs since this machine is mostly for gaming? How much of a difference would I see going from the 1000 to the 800 recommended? Oh, and Twoboxer, this is a replacement for my current pc, so I already have a keyboard, mouse, sound card, 5.1 surround sound, and a friend that can get me the OS. I like the Samsung monitor that was suggested, (love that brand) but would like to be able to connect my xbox 360 to the monitor. The Acer has an hdmi port that would be perfect as I already have hdmi cables for my xbox. But I have had really good luck with Samsung, so I will have to keep that one in mind.
February 8, 2008 2:57:09 PM

mlaporta said:
First do you plan to do some serious silly insane OC???

If so go with this one PERIOD-END-OF-STORY:
Thermalright Ultra-120 Extreme + Scythe S-Flex SFF21F fan (these are 2 seperate components as the TU-120 doesn't come with a fan) and some ARCTIC COOLING MX-2 Thermal Compound

If you plan to light to moderae OC this one is a fine heatsink with many many great reviews & positive comments:
ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 7 Pro 92mm CPU Cooler

While I do agree whole heartedly about the TR HS, double check to make sure it will work with your case. I'm using an Antec 900 and it is a snug fit, and that is without a MB tray or a huge side door fan. I could stop being lazy and check the case measurements, but hey, my system is already built :D  .
February 8, 2008 3:37:15 PM

I'd sugest dualboot with a 32 bit OS, Vista 64 drivers STILL suck.

I personaly don't think they should have released vista 32, keep XP for the old 32 bit machines and the UMPCs
February 8, 2008 3:47:10 PM

Actually, Groo, I do intend to dual boot Vista 64 and XP 32. Should I put both OS's on the same disk and use the second disk for storage? Or put one OS on each disk? Still not sure about RAID, reading up to see what it is, and if it would help me.
February 8, 2008 4:11:03 PM

I think windows can now only use 3.2gb RAM so 4 is enough.
I'm also getting a new system soon, but I'm waiting for the normal peryn cpu's and benchmarks of the new videocards ATI X2 vs Nvidia 9800GX2 (still unknown) . I'll get a MB ready for SLI or crossfire.
I'll also get a raptor for the OS and a 7200.11 for data.
February 8, 2008 5:37:59 PM

Damn, some of you guys act like you are fighting for his soul. Someone says 2500$ and everyone gets a woodro.

Power Supply:
http://www.slizone.com/object/slizone_build_psu.html
Just make sure it is SLI "approved" and has an efficiency of 80% +

Look into a 2 disk RAID 0 setup for performance on the OS and apps and maybe a 3rd drive for storage and scratch disk.

If it will be more gaming and not of quad threaded apps, look at the E8400.

Also, find a heatsink with a 110+mm fan to keep the noise down.

You could probably trim off some money by starting with 4GB memory and go from there. 8 is slightly overkill unless you are doing editing of some-sort
February 8, 2008 6:54:57 PM

Dude...You're getting a Dell... LMAO

Your best advice is take specs advice from this site with a grain of salt... After all, opinions are like @ssholes. Everyone has one and everyone else's stink.
February 8, 2008 9:10:54 PM

^Agreed. 8GB seems kind of an overkill, but if you run some CAD programs, VMs,etc. then 8GB will help a lot. As grieve said you need a x64 OS to support more than 3.5GB.
February 8, 2008 9:20:20 PM

grieve said:
Just my opinion... but what do you need eight gigs of ram for? Four GIG's is overkill right now.

**edit**
Make sure you have a 64bit OS with the eight GIGs


You are right that 4GB is the practical useful limit, but some of us that do editing of videos and photos while downloading mega p_rn files with 2 different web browsers open at the same time with 19 pages each and maybe some tunes and/or a movie or TV playing at the same time sometimes needs more than 4GB of RAM.

And besides, it is great for bragging rights.
February 8, 2008 9:57:07 PM

StevieD said:
And besides, it is great for bragging rights.


LOL, that sums it up.
February 8, 2008 10:04:27 PM

Anyway.. Here is my $2500 build
** does not include monitor/keyboard/mouse/ram (I ran out of time, the weekend is here, I am off work) I have $395 left still
** Sorry the links are dead. It is all from NCIX, you can cut paste if you want, but that is irrelevant I think.


Motherboard= ASUS P5N-T Deluxe 780I SLI LGA775 ATX DDR2 3PCI-E16 2PCI-E1 1PCI GBLAN Motherboard $300.6
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Processor= Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Dual Core Processor LGA775 3.0GHZ Wolfdale 1333FSB 6MB Retail *Limited Qty* (BX80570E8400) $234.99
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Power Supply= Enermax Galaxy Dxx 850W Power Supply ATX V2.0 EPS12V SLI RoHS 24PIN 135MM Fan Modular 4PCI-E $253.6
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Heatsink Thermalright ULTRA-120 Extreme 6 Heatpipe Cooler LGA775 Heatsink *Fan Not Included* (ULTRA-120-EXTREME) $64.98
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Fan For Heatsink= Scythe S-FLEX SFF21F 120MM Cooling Fan 1600RPM 28.0DBA 63.7CFM FDB $12.99
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Thermal paste= Arctic Silver 5 HIGH-DENSITY Polysynthetic Silver Thermal Compound 3.5 Gram (AS5-3.5) $12.47
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Ram= Havnt picked any yet still looking but the week is ending for me and im going home!
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Vid Card= EVGA E-GEFORCE 8800GTS 670MHZ 512MB 1.94GHZ DDR3 PCI-E Dual DVI-I HDTV Out Video Card $314.65
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Second Vid Card= EVGA E-GEFORCE 8800GTS 670MHZ 512MB 1.94GHZ DDR3 PCI-E Dual DVI-I HDTV Out Video Card $314.65
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Sound Card= The onboard 8-channel HD audio $0
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HDD for OS= Western Digital Raptor 74GB SATA 10000RPM Hard Drive 5.2MS 16MB NCQ 5 Year MFR Warranty $177.84
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HDD for Storage= Havnt picked any yet… still looking but the week is ending for me and im going home!
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DVD= Samsung SH-S203N Black SATA DVD+RW 20X8X16 DVD-RW 20X6X16 DL18X/12X Lightscribe DVD Writer OEM W/ SW $40.39
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Second DVD= Samsung SH-S203N Black SATA DVD+RW 20X8X16 DVD-RW 20X6X16 DL18X/12X Lightscribe
DVD Writer OEM W/ SW $40.39
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OS= Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate Edition 64BIT DVD OEM $216.42
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Case= Antec Nine Hundred Mid Tower Gamer Case 900 ATX 9 Drive Bay No PS Top USB2.0 1394 Audio $120.98


Total $ : $2104.95
February 8, 2008 10:34:51 PM

I don't know if you want to buy everything from NCIX, or maybe you prefer NCIX over newegg, but at newegg the WD1500ADFD can be had for $170+free shipping. Which has double the capacity of the raptor you were goign to buy.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I love the 900 as well, its a great case with tons of cooling ,even with all fans on low, I wish they had the three pin connectors to the fans so I could use them as-is with my ZM-MFC2 controller, but oh well. :pfff: 

I was wondering with my next build, since vista is such a memory hog, and I can't seem to optomize vista well, that would it be a good idea just to take the plunge and get a 64-bit version of vista, and two 2GB sticks of ram [4gb total]?

Is using the 64-bit edition hoenstly going to run into anymore problems than the 32-bit? Keeping in mind I will be running all new hardware, that is certified to work with vista 64-bit?

Sorry to deviate from the original OP, but just wondering is all.
February 9, 2008 1:03:02 AM

All the motherboard, graphics drives should be fine with the x64 OS. BE CAREFULL with the printer and other things that require drives such as the camera,etc. I tried installing some HP 3xxx Desk Jet on Vista x64 (because my new printer was out of ink) and it failed because the printer didn't have x64 drives.
February 9, 2008 1:50:36 AM

trevorblain said:
While I do agree whole heartedly about the TR HS, double check to make sure it will work with your case. I'm using an Antec 900 and it is a snug fit, and that is without a MB tray or a huge side door fan. I could stop being lazy and check the case measurements, but hey, my system is already built :D  .


Quote from a newegg review, about the X-Clio case:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductReview.aspx?Item=N82E16811103014

Quote:
Pros: Quiet, Good Air Flow, Plenty of Room for everything. Quality.
Cons: 360mm Fan sits in front of CPU area on MB so tall heatsinks, Thermalright 120s, Tuniq Towers, etc, will not fit.
Other Thoughts: Very Large, nice finish, wish the USB ports were on the front.


If you really want that case, get a Thermalright Ultima-90, or an Arctic Freezer 7 Pro.
http://www.ncixus.com/products/25999/Ultima-90/THERMALRIGHT/

You're paying $150 (including shipping) for that X-Clio. I'd rather get an Antec P182 for $90.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129025&Tpk=P182
or the CoolerMaster Stacker 830 for $175.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119103

February 9, 2008 1:58:34 AM

how well does vista 64-bit work with games (mostly newer), and the Steam client?
February 9, 2008 4:29:44 PM

The main problem with Vista64 is the drivers.
my Nvidia 64bit driver crashes, Witcher crashes constantly and isn't even playable (I think I'm done buying atari games that are out for less than a year), other games crash with less frequency, but save often.
As I don't have an ATI card, I don't know how stable thier vista64 drivers are. maybe if we all switch over and send in error reports constantly, they will get the hint.

I didn't see what you had for a printer, but I can't suggest a color laser strongly enough. its so nice not having to wory about dried up in or ink running out more than onecs in the printer's usable life.

as for the "why 8gigs?" crowd. WHY NOT? it costs about $100 now, for a $2500 system, thats chump change. and never wory about paging files slowing you down. DO IT! (I've been considering adding 4 gig myself) Memory is the most underrated performance tool in a computer.
February 9, 2008 7:23:36 PM

groo, I suggest you download nTune from nVidia's Web site and install it. I used to get blue screens in Diablo and Hellgate all the time, as well as when stopping Windows. They just went away after I installed nTune. No guarantees, of course, since I'm using XP Media Center and not Vista, but it's worth a try IMO.
February 9, 2008 8:14:55 PM

Honestly man, the 900 will be a TIGHT squeeze for all that stuff. I cringe every time i hear someone suggest the 900, I have one and I an NOT impressed by it. Though somewhat nifty looking, it lacks holes for cable management, lacks simple drive cage access, BARELY fits 3 HDD's, my GTS is a very tight squeeze due to my 3 HDD's. When i compare this experience to the experience I had with the P-182 from Antec I was stymied, everything in the P-182 is wonderful to deal with, for an amateur to get professional results feels really good. Even with a dremel I couldnt match the beauty that is the P-182 inside. I know it seems like a window is a MUST, but in reality I found it to be worth far less than peace and quiet (the case is very quiet, very sturdy, and has excellent airflow, + the front door is removable) thanks to its triple layered sound deadening material on the panels.

Case = P-182 hands down, please take my advice on this one, I have worked intimately with both and it really is a better case all around.

Good power supply (actually its the best but thats just me talking), i have the same one, Mobo is excellent and lets you upgrade to yorkfield. I'd get 150gig for OS+games and the 500g or two for general storage. Another thing to consider is adding a tuner and using the excellent WMC including in vista (works like a tivo).

Get a 24" moniter, or maybe a second one. You seem to have some spare cash and I wholely recomend a dual screen display, nothing is more satisfying than having a game on one screen and being able to catch msn convos on the other (still have to alt tab, but you wont miss an important conversation or update ever again).
February 9, 2008 8:59:08 PM

I'm not as experienced as most of these folks probably are, but I havn't seen anyone suggest the cooler master cosmos 1000 or 1010's. I got one of these and it's absolutely monstrous. You could almost live inside this thing and still have room for all your components. The panels on both sides come off with a push of a lever and the insides are fitted with sound absorbing foam, so you can cram in whatever fans u like and still barely hear them. A bit pricier than alot of popular cases, but IMO, it's money well spent. The handle bars on the top are handy too, for moving it around. Be warned, when I say it's HUGE, thats exactly what I mean. Only drawback seems to be most folks don't think the 4 120mm fans that come with it don't push enough air. However, I've experienced no problems whatsoever with them.
February 9, 2008 10:03:53 PM

by the 8gb of ram is needed for gaming, we would already be using ddr5 3000
February 11, 2008 9:59:38 PM

Ok, does any one have a link to any benchmarks comparing the Q6600 and the E8400? I have been looking around and can't find any. My thoughts on the Q6600 are that it seems like more new games would be designed to use quad cores the longer they are out, so wouldn't that make the quad a better bet in the long run? I'm leaning that way, but can't find any proof to back up my logic. Thoughts?
February 11, 2008 10:17:06 PM

Yes, quads will eventually be better than duals, even at lower clock speeds. So far that's only true in Flight Simulator X, but it will change. In most games right now, the E8400 at stock will beat the Q6600 at stock by 25% or more thanks to higher clock speeds and some architecture improvements, but that's only because cores 3 and 4 of the Q6600 aren't used.

Edit: the E8400 overclocks higher than the Q6600, so the theoretical advantage is even higher for the E8400. On the other hand, most games are limited by the video card (especially at higher resolutions) or by the hard disk, which means the advantage is not always real. The Q6600 is actually just as good as the E8400 very often.
February 11, 2008 10:40:33 PM

FrozenGpu said:
how well does vista 64-bit work with games (mostly newer), and the Steam client?


Buy one cd key for vista. If you have any problems with x64 you can then use it to legally install two copies of vista on one pc, one 32 bit and one 64 bit. Vista keys are only for the version (home , business , ultimate) not the memory address size. You can download the media for 32bit or 64 bit easily enough or just borrow it from someone you know.

I have used 64bit windows for bioshock and crysis but the performance is not as good as XP even when running in DX9 mode. Other than that it seems fine for compatability.
February 11, 2008 11:01:49 PM

Up until recently, my favorite CPU cooler was the thermalright, but this newcomer has my attention:

XIGMATEK HDT-RS1283 120mm CPU Cooler - Retail $39

Looks like a thermalright ultra-120 extreme, but actually beats thermalright's benchmarks and is cheaper and comes with its own fan which is attached using rubber mounts, not a cheap clip.

Here is the review (with comparisons to the other heatsinks on page 5): FrostyTech's CPU Cooler Review


February 11, 2008 11:14:00 PM

eric54 said:
Another thing to consider is adding a tuner and using the excellent WMC including in vista (works like a tivo).
Which tuner do you recommend?
!