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February 28, 2008 11:36:21 AM

Case: RAIDMAX Smilodon Extreme
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E168...

Motherboard: MSI P7N SLI Platinum LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 750i
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E168...

Graphics: GeForce 8800GS 384MB 192-bit GDDR3 PCI
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E168...

Procesor: Intel Core 2 Duo E4500 Allendale 2.2GHz
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E168...

Ram: G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E168...


Is there anything that i can change to better one? My limit is 750 with mouse.

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February 28, 2008 1:03:17 PM

You could probably get a better case from Antec with a good rated PSU included. The Raidmax case itself is fine, I have one of those, but didn't get one with an included PSU, their PSU's blow chunks though. Not to mention the price seems to have gone waay up since i bought mine.
February 28, 2008 4:56:26 PM

Go with the 9600gt! Much better than 8800gs.

I would look at other motherboards. If you never plan on getting another card (even if you do the 750i really isnt a good choice... you would want the 780i) than get a P35 motherboard.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
You'll save some money on it too. It's very overclockable also.
If you can afford the extra try for maybe the and since you would be saving money on the mobo get this cpu http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... it will leave the other one in dark with more cache and higher FSB.
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February 28, 2008 5:35:57 PM

I agree on both points. RaidMax PSUs live (or croak) on tier-5 ("Do not buy" ) of the list at http://www.tomswiki.com/page/Tiered+PSU+Listings?t=anon. Choose one from Tier-3 or better.
A coworker who has owned a computer store has had nothing good to say about MSI motherboards. I've personally had good results from Gigabyte and Biostar, and a lot of people also like Asus. Avoid any chipset by VIA or SIS. You probably want a P35.
The CoolerMaster Elite cases are cheap but are roomy and have decent cooling. There's also no annoying front door blocking your optical drives, and they are tool-free for drive and card mounting.
I've noticed you haven't listed a hard drive or any optical drive. Do you need those too?
Assuming your focus is on gaming with recent/current titles, if your budget is tight then drop the CPU back to an e2160 in order to get the best GPU you can afford.
February 28, 2008 10:18:31 PM

thank you very very much for all your help i really appreciate it . first time on building my own pc hehe ^_^
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February 28, 2008 11:07:17 PM

For gaming, spend your money on the graphics card first. Look for a 9600GT or better. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

You also need a psu and an os.

I saw vista home premium upgrade at costco for $85. Or, do you qualify for an academic discount?

The case is ok; most are, but look at the shipping cost. You could get an Antec900 for about the same price after shipping. Better yet, look at the Antec NSK6580 for $110 with a good 430w earthwats psu and free shipping. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Don't pay more for a sli mobo and features which you won't use. Look at the gigabyte DS3L: $90. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


February 28, 2008 11:27:10 PM

Don't get the E4500, get the E2160. You won't see any notable difference in performance in games, when clocked the same.
February 28, 2008 11:35:28 PM

Evilonigiri said:
Don't get the E4500, get the E2160. You won't see any notable difference in performance in games, when clocked the same.


Actually, games tend to be the very cache dependant. If the E4500 is within budget I don't see why the OP should 'downgrade' to an E2160.
February 28, 2008 11:53:00 PM

epsilon84 said:
Actually, games tend to be the very cache dependant. If the E4500 is within budget I don't see why the OP should 'downgrade' to an E2160.

Oh? I didn't know that, after all when talking about gaming, you focus on the gpu. I was thinking that he could save some money by getting a E2160, then get a 8800GT 512Mb or even a 8800GTS 512MB.
February 29, 2008 12:14:35 AM

i don't have to worry about OS, hard drive, or optical drives because i'm going to use the ones i have in my current pc , and the OS i can get it for free legaly from my school , so yea. Also most games are gpu and cpu demanding , ram not as much 2 gb's is good enough.
February 29, 2008 1:20:51 AM

reaper23 said:
i need to buy a sli mobo because in the future i'm going to do sli so i on't want to buy 2 mobos if ya know what i mean.

Than get a 780i chipset... not the 750i... you will be limited to 8x pci-e lanes with the later!
February 29, 2008 1:22:26 AM

Evilonigiri said:
Don't get the E4500, get the E2160. You won't see any notable difference in performance in games, when clocked the same.


Because not everyone wants to Overclock? And also, how does the 3850 and 3870 compare against the 8800gs? If they compare well, it may be good to go with an X38 board since the recent price drop on the 3800 cards, which would allow you to eventually run Xfire.
February 29, 2008 1:26:56 AM

Well... the 3870 performs about as well as the 9600gt... and that's what he should get IMO. Get one of those and a 780i or an older 680i and he should be sitting nice. I would spend the extra on the 6550 for the higher FSB.
February 29, 2008 1:35:14 AM

Evilonigiri said:
Oh? I didn't know that, after all when talking about gaming, you focus on the gpu. I was thinking that he could save some money by getting a E2160, then get a 8800GT 512Mb or even a 8800GTS 512MB.


If your rationale was to put the money saved from a cheaper CPU towards a more powerful GPU, then I understand where you are coming from.

However, your post stated the E2160 has similar performance to the E4500 when clocked the same, which isn't entirely true. The E4500 has a ~10% advantage clock for clock in games. Also, most E4500s can overclock further than E2160s, that is assuming the OP actually wants to overclock in the first place.

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February 29, 2008 3:49:18 AM

reaper23 said:
Don't pay more for a sli mobo and features which you won't use. Look at the gigabyte DS3L: $90. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


i need to buy a sli mobo because in the future i'm going to do sli so i on't want to buy 2 mobos if ya know what i mean.[/quotemsg]

SLI has been a poor upgrade path in the past. It should be used only by
those who will not currently be satisfied by the fastest available single vga card
which is currently the 8800GTX-ULTRA. The more modern 8800GTS-512-G92 is very close in performance, and has a good cooling system.
To get SLI. you have to spend more up front for a SLI capable mobo, and a
more powerful SLI capable PSU. Upgrading a single card later with a
second equal card does not get you 2x increase, it is more like 1.1x to 1.5x depending on the game.
At that time, you will still be paying top dollar for a card that is closer to
being obsolete. A higher end card will likely appear before summer. It would be better to sell the old card and use the proceeds
towards a better new generation single card.
February 29, 2008 6:24:16 AM

@geofelt...

According to toms charts for both single and multi gpus... upgrading to a second gpu when running high resolutions like 1680x1050 (1600x1200 for toms charts) you can expect almost a 95% increase in performance with two 8800gt oc vs. just one. Unless toms charts are wrong!

I personally owned one 8800gt oc and was averaging 12-15 fps in Crysis with everything jacked up. Now I am getting about 25-35 with another card (although I am running faster proc than when I only had one card) so that to me is about a 75-100% increase in performance.

Yes... some dont really need an SLI system... but it's better than it used to be that you get more performance than just 25-50%.
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February 29, 2008 2:27:25 PM

@hughyhunter:

Your post inspired me to do some more analysis using Tom's charts. The results are here:
Crysis is not on the list, which is too bad because many are very interested in it. It is obviously very vga intensive, and your experience shows that it is one of the games that scales well with sli.

------------------A comparison of vga card high end options---------------------------------
game 8800GT-OC 8800GT-sli sli-scaling 8800GTX-Ultra ultra vs. GT
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
bf2142 1024 112.9 118.2 1.0 116.9 1.0
1920 57.2 103.1 1.8 63.3 1.1

dark 1024 47.2 49.4 1.0 48.1 1.0
messia 1920 40.4 40.4 1.0 45.5 1.1

FSX 1024 22.7 22.7 1.0 24.0 1.1
1920 21.9 21.9 1.0 23.2 1.1

oblivion1024 69.8 123.3 1.8 75.6 1.1
1920 30.6 55.3 1.8 30.5 1.0

war 1024 38.2 48.4 1.3 45.5 1.2
hammer 1920 36.0 45.5 1.3 43.3 1.2

overall games 2125.4 2684.2 1.3 2305.6 1.1

3d 1024 5359 5947 1.2 5772 1.1
mark06 1920 2446 4402 1.8 2825 1.2

Average scaling @1024 1.2
@1920 1.5
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
notes: data taken from Tom's vga charts
ratios rounded to 0.1
1024 resolutions used lower quality settings
1920 resolutions used very high settings.
FSX is obviously very cpu bound.

Certainly sli helps with higher resolutions.

The value of sli depends on the game you play.

I think the charts are useful, and they should be updated. I would like to see both single cardsand sli on the same chart. I would also like to see it updated with newer cards and games.

Not on my analysis, but it seemed to me that the 8800GT-OC scaled very well, and was clearly as good as the 8800GTX in sli. I see no reason to buy a 8800GTX today.
February 29, 2008 3:19:29 PM

I agree... only a few games really scale well in SLI. I love my 8800GT's I just hope that the games that come out in the future scale well too.

What's interesting to me is that the 8800GTX will beat out a 8800GT single but in SLI since the G92 scales so well it's beats out 2 8800GTX's.

I would only buy two if you had the money and desire to play high end graphics games like Crysis at high resolutions and high settings. I still have issues at times at very high settings going from 35FPS to 7FPS in fight scenes.
February 29, 2008 3:30:44 PM

I too would get the E2160 instead E4500 and OC a lilttle and get 8800 GT
February 29, 2008 10:24:51 PM

Yes... I too would get the E2160... but if you chose to go with the E4500 you mid as well get the E6550 due to the higher FSB.
March 1, 2008 12:23:40 AM

Swap out that MB for a nice xfire chipset and go ATI for gpu. You will gain better multi gpu performance for a later upgrade and good future proofing with DX10.1 support that Nvidia lacks.
March 1, 2008 2:16:13 AM

jerseygamer said:
Swap out that MB for a nice xfire chipset and go ATI for gpu. You will gain better multi gpu performance for a later upgrade and good future proofing with DX10.1 support that Nvidia lacks.

That's not a bad idea!
March 20, 2008 12:41:30 AM

@ reaper... what ever came of this build anyway?
April 27, 2010 12:05:56 PM

Hughyhunter this is my build right now.

OS: Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit

CPU: AMd phenom 945 OC

Ram: g skill 820 mhz (2x2gb) = 4 gb

PSU: Kingwin 1000 watt psu modular

CPU Heatsink: CORSAIR Cooling Hydro Series

Video Card: (2) MSI 5770 HAWK OC Crossfired

Motherboard: ASUS M3A79-T Deluxe

Case: Cooler Master 690 with clear side panel ( 3 intake fans , 3 out take fans.)
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* if i am missing anything else tell me.
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