Does anybody know when the back-log of e8400 Wolfdales will clear? Seems some are around at the $250 range (much too high) - and many are back-ordered at "normal" prices (since around the 1st of Feb). Has anybody talked to any retailers about a new supply? Any rumors? Last I heard was the end of the month or early March.
I'm beginning to believe that this is a Paper Launch! Thanks for the tiger direct link, but 1. I hate TD, and 2. they are in FL (where I live) so I pay taxes - and that's the purpose of the internet ... to avoid taxes at all costs ...
Edit: I've got one on B/O with Buy.com for $210 - but have heard nothing for almost a month.
Message edited by Jake_Barnes on 02-29-2008 at 07:42:49 PM
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I would lean towards a paper launch too. The 45nm supply is too low. While some people do have them (and some idiots returned them), most people that want one do not have one.
I found them in stock at Fry's in Sacramento, Ca (I believe they had 5 or 6 on 2/28/2008). I'm told that the Roseville store is expecting a shipment of 50 around 3/10/2008. I just bought one today hehheheheheheheh.
I think they also have stock at Fry's in San Jose, CA. However, Fry's usually have the tendency to not update on their product. So even if they're out of stock, they won't take the sticker down.
Over at NCIX the admins are saying that Intel told them they wouldn't see sizeable shipments until "April-ish" and that in the mean time they're getting very small numbers of units in randomly that bascially go right to the backorders O_o
What I've recommended to some people so far is to get a cheapo ($80)E2160 and OC it to get their systems running in the mean time, otherwise wait it out or grab a Q6600. With the E2160 you could eBay it or keep it for a spare or donate it to a friend/family member I guess.
I have an E8400.
Runs very cool. I don't even have a fan on my 120eX heatsink. Even when I OC to 3.6Ghz/450MHzx8@1.25v.
And at $207.00+shipping, I think I got a good deal. I'll take that kind of paper launch anytime.
Well considering the fact that Intel currently only has two fabs @ 45nm in production, and one of them is D1D, an experimental fab. So technically speaking, there's only one fab producing 45nm CPUs (Xeons, C2D) for the entire world. I wouldn't be surprised if the supply is dangerously low.
Then again, I wonder why Intel decided to go ahead with the launch rather than delaying it. They've been executing very good ever since C2D's debut. Unless of course the management did not anticipate the overwhelming demand for 45nm C2Ds, and/or the validation of additional 2 45nm fabs fell behind schedule.
If you have a C2D that can OC to 3-3.2ghz then wait or get a Q6600. There are a lot of reports surfacing that E8400 ( and all 45mm chips including the quads) are failing at high >.1.4v and/or high FSBs after a few weeks so the 65mm quads are looking like a better choice for now... even over the new quads if you consider cost.
If you have a C2D that can OC to 3-3.2ghz then wait or get a Q6600. There are a lot of reports surfacing that E8400 ( and all 45mm chips including the quads) are failing at high >.1.4v and/or high FSBs after a few weeks so the 65mm quads are looking like a better choice for now... even over the new quads if you consider cost.
Choooo Chooo! It seems the misinformation train has arrived. Someone is using "alot of reports" as a source to back-up statements.
You say they are failing at > 1.4v "and/or high fsb". The only reason you need 1.4v on the E8400 is to go 4.0ghz+. It is not Intel's (nor would it be AMD's) job to make sure your chip can overclock over 33% or higher. I would bet the farm on the fact that if anyone is failing at >1.4v after a few weeks, they probably deserve it. They are probably using the box HSF, and/or have no idea how to read temps.
As far as "high FSB", what does that mean? Is 400 high? (3.6) Is 450 high? (4.0)
Message edited by ocguy31 on 02-29-2008 at 10:22:46 PM
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I think the big selling point for the e8400 is the fact that it can be OC'd to 4ghz+. If it is going to burn out at that then there isn't much advantage in getting it over a e6750 or other C2D. And makes the 65mm quad an even better choice!
I think the big selling point for the e8400 is the fact that it can be OC'd to 4ghz+. If it is going to burn out at that then there isn't much advantage in getting it over a e6750 or other C2D. And makes the 65mm quad an even better choice!
A big selling point by who? Intel? I have yet to see an ad from Intel that says "Buy our E8400, they all can do 4.0ghz+ on air!". Your statement is hilarious.
There is a small % of people who think that getting to 3.8ghz stable isnt good enough. For me, it is perfect. However, 4.0ghz+ is easilly attainable if you know what you are doing, but my guess is most of the newbie OCers dont. And, once again, it is YOUR RISK when you volt the Wolfdales 1.4+, and has nothing to do with the chip maker.
No advantage over an E6750? You need to do some more reading.
Edit: Here is the "proof" from that link you posted
"Most deaths occurred from running above 1.5v and/or benching at ?1.6+, and one died from running fsb 600 for 6 hours 1.4v max."
600FSB? 1.5v+? And you wonder why chips fail? LOL.
I think the big selling point for the e8400 is the fact that it can be OC'd to 4ghz+. If it is going to burn out at that then there isn't much advantage in getting it over a e6750 or other C2D. And makes the 65mm quad an even better choice!
No. Overclockability was never ever part of the selling point of the CPU. Those belong to the Extreme Editions: QX9650, QX9770, X6800.... E8400 is just like E6850, with a locked multiplier. E8400 has its own selling points against E6750: faster, cooler, at relatively the same price.
The only reason YOU and other Joe Blows thinks its a selling point is because 3rd party review sites took them to 4.0Ghz, as well as fanboy hypes. Intel never endorsed overclocking except on their Extreme Editions, and they do not have the responsibility if you fried your CPU.
Heck Q6600 can be taken to 4.0Ghz. Was this ever the selling point?
No? All the e8400 fanboys and half of the THG posters of late spout that the 4ghz + is the reason to get the chip. I certainly don't share that opinion. Apparently you don't either! I was simply pointing out that all the frenzy maybe a bit overdone. Not all e8400s are getting to 4ghz at less than 1.4v. It is not a must have chip!
It is nice but not worth the current premium. The new chip is faster and cooler clock for clock but no reason to to dump a 3.7 or 3.8ghz capable e6750 to spend $250-$300 to get it. Certainly not for the relatively little more performance that is mostly noticable only in benchmarking.
. o O (Oh, nm)
