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February 16, 2008 4:05:39 PM

Ok as time is comming near to finish the build, i find the part i am having the most trouble with is the vid card. What makes one 8800gts or 8800gt or 8800gtx. What should i look for is it higher core speed? it it the size of the memory? Then with some of the GTS you get the ( g92 ) some have it, some dont. any help would be great.

this is what my system is so far, so people have a better idea

780i mobo
q6600
4 gig ram corsair
i will be buying a 24" lcd soon after i choose the vid cards
Os will be vista ultimate 64 bit
psu is a ocz 700 watt gamextream

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a c 271 U Graphics card
February 16, 2008 4:20:03 PM

If your 24" does 1900 x 1200 then GTS (G92) for lower res GT (G92) forget GTX as it's G80 and older.
a c 130 U Graphics card
February 16, 2008 6:56:42 PM

Well as far as i have seen this is one hell of a card for the money myself and mousemonkey were on a thread earlier this week and agreed that at price performance this was one hell of a card (at least thats the impresion i got i will let mousemonkey nay or yay that PM him if he dosent answer this thread) but it has a better than standard cooler and that has been the biggest complaint amoungst users (that the card got very hot) also its a pre Overclocked model and MSI are very good at this kind of thing in fact if it makes sence to you i consider them to be the HIS of Nvidia cards (If you dont understand that put HIS into google and see what they do wiyh ATI cards.) any ways this card will perform as near as danm it to a 512 GTS at about $80 less at last weeks prices + trebate so its a no brainer as far as im concerned.
That covers Nvidia as far as ATI goes i would recomend a 3870 512 but you need to decide on price/ performance also if you dont need it asap you could consider waiting to see what the 700/770 from ati delevers.
Mactronix
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February 16, 2008 7:02:17 PM

Mousemonkey said:
If your 24" does 1900 x 1200 then GTS (G92) for lower res GT (G92) forget GTX as it's G80 and older.


Is GTS that much more worth it than 8800gt with price difference of 25%?

8800gt is about 90% of the performance of 8800gts. I wouldn't waste money on a gts unless you can't live without that extra 5-10% performance.
February 16, 2008 7:06:30 PM

Unless he finds a 8800GTS 512MB on sale. Or if he can afford the extra cost.

I'd go with the 8800GTS 512MB any day over the 8800GT 512MB.
a c 143 U Graphics card
February 16, 2008 7:24:28 PM

^^Agreed. The 8800 GTS G92 is faster (14% more stream processors) and it has a quieter cooler and it throws the heat right out of the case instead of just spreading it to the RAM and CPU and so on.

Here's a good price:
EVGA 512-P3-N841-AR GeForce 8800GTS (G92) 512MB $260 after rebate + $6 shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130325

The only good reason to get an 8800GTX rather than an 8800GTS G92 is if you intend to have 3 video cards eventually. That's because the GTX supports Triple-SLI but the GTS doesn't. You rmotherboard supports that already. If you're interested in that I think you should get a different PSU (say, PC Power & Cooling TurboCool 1000W or Enermax Galaxy).
February 16, 2008 7:30:19 PM

Mousemonkey said:
If your 24" does 1900 x 1200 then GTS (G92) for lower res GT (G92) forget GTX as it's G80 and older.


I think that's good advice, and the ATI equivalent would be 1920 x 1200, get 3870x2, for lower res get 3870. Forget 2900XT at any price point above free gift.

The way card naming's been going with, I keep thinking of Spinal Tap and Nigel's amplifier that's better because it goes up to 11. While ATI can be criticized for the 3xxx convention on architecture that's what the 2xxx cards should have been to begin with; it's Nvidia that's really mucked things up for their fans with several flavors of 8800gts.
a c 271 U Graphics card
February 16, 2008 8:03:52 PM

marvelous211 said:
Is GTS that much more worth it than 8800gt with price difference of 25%?

8800gt is about 90% of the performance of 8800gts. I wouldn't waste money on a gts unless you can't live without that extra 5-10% performance.

Considering the rather alarming amount of posts from people who appear to be having problems with a heat/noise issue that is a direct result of the single slot cooler on the GT's then I reckon that an extra 25% for a better cooler and a bit more performance without the added hassle of replacing the stock HSF is going to be more than worth it for quite a few people.

mactronix if you were referring to that MSI card with the '7900GTO like' cooler then yes I thought that was a stunning deal. [:mousemonkey]

Edit: I see that you were. :) 
February 16, 2008 8:21:36 PM

Mousemonkey said:
Considering the rather alarming amount of posts from people who appear to be having problems with a heat/noise issue that is a direct result of the single slot cooler on the GT's then I reckon that an extra 25% for a better cooler and a bit more performance without the added hassle of replacing the stock HSF is going to more than worth it for quite a few people.

mactronix if you were referring to that MSI card with the '7900GTO like' cooler then yes I thought that was a stunning deal. [:mousemonkey]

Edit: I see that you were. :) 


I wouldn't call it problems. People are just antsy about heat and noise. But you are right 8800gts has the better cooler.
February 16, 2008 9:12:12 PM

mactronix said:
Well as far as i have seen this is one hell of a card for the money myself and mousemonkey were on a thread earlier this week and agreed that at price performance this was one hell of a card (at least thats the impresion i got i will let mousemonkey nay or yay that PM him if he dosent answer this thread) but it has a better than standard cooler and that has been the biggest complaint amoungst users (that the card got very hot) also its a pre Overclocked model and MSI are very good at this kind of thing in fact if it makes sence to you i consider them to be the HIS of Nvidia cards (If you dont understand that put HIS into google and see what they do wiyh ATI cards.) any ways this card will perform as near as danm it to a 512 GTS at about $80 less at last weeks prices + trebate so its a no brainer as far as im concerned.
That covers Nvidia as far as ATI goes i would recomend a 3870 512 but you need to decide on price/ performance also if you dont need it asap you could consider waiting to see what the 700/770 from ati delevers.
Mactronix


i was to belive that all ATI cards happened to be Crossfire and not SLI. I mite be wrong.

So, core speed or memory size dsont matter? i just see some GeForce cards have 550 mhz up to 570mhz dose this matter much?
February 16, 2008 9:19:07 PM

Dan_P said:
i was to belive that all ATI cards happened to be Crossfire and not SLI. I mite be wrong.

So, core speed or memory size dsont matter? i just see some GeForce cards have 550 mhz up to 570mhz dose this matter much?

2 x ATI card = Crossfire

2 x Nvidia card = SLI

You are right. Are you planning to SLI?

And 550MHz vs 570MHz isn't much of a difference. You can manually do this by overclocking.
February 16, 2008 9:25:49 PM

the 780i Mobo i have is for SLI. I am going to end up running SLI but i mite not do so untell i see what the new 9800 will be like. the whole vid cards make me feel like i am running aorund in a circle.

Is one card better to OC then others? i have read that the xfx is a better OC. i dont know if this is true
February 16, 2008 9:27:57 PM

Dan_P said:
the 780i Mobo i have is for SLI. I am going to end up running SLI but i mite not do so untell i see what the new 9800 will be like. the whole vid cards make me feel like i am running aorund in a circle.

Is one card better to OC then others? i have read that the xfx is a better OC. i dont know if this is true

OCing from company to company? I'm not sure, they're all more or less the same because they all are manufactured from the same place.
February 16, 2008 9:39:53 PM

Mactronix: I never read your posts. It hurts my head. This is a (.)

This is a paragraph break.
a b U Graphics card
February 17, 2008 6:08:08 AM

Galaxy and MSI both have cheap 8800GT cards out there now with better dual slot cooling than the reference single slot 8800gt SHoot, they have both been about $200 shipped AR.
February 17, 2008 3:50:52 PM

pauldh said:
Galaxy and MSI both have cheap 8800GT cards out there now with better dual slot cooling than the reference single slot 8800gt SHoot, they have both been about $200 shipped AR.


have you used thease cards befor or know someone that has? i know they havnt been out for awhile like other brands. i think i will be aimming tp the gts-g92 seems they are the best all around for the price range. plus to oc it alittle wouldnt hurt anything.
a c 271 U Graphics card
February 17, 2008 4:25:46 PM

Dan_P said:
have you used thease cards befor or know someone that has? i know they havnt been out for awhile like other brands. i think i will be aimming tp the gts-g92 seems they are the best all around for the price range. plus to oc it alittle wouldnt hurt anything.

Don't know about Galaxy but MSI did a passively cooled 6600GT that I abused for a while, and that was more than a few weeks ago.
a b U Graphics card
February 17, 2008 6:19:02 PM

Dan_P said:
have you used thease cards befor or know someone that has? i know they havnt been out for awhile like other brands. i think i will be aimming tp the gts-g92 seems they are the best all around for the price range. plus to oc it alittle wouldnt hurt anything.

I have not used either of those two speicific cards, but would not hesitate to try (buy) either one. matter of fact I would go with one of those over any reference cooled 8800GT including evga (which I look toward first).
February 17, 2008 6:31:15 PM

pauldh said:
That's because they tested the NX8800GT reference cooled model. Like all ref 8800GT coolers, they stink. :) 
pic of the card they tested bottom of this page: http://techreport.com/articles.x/14120/4

It has a picture, therefore it isn't a reference model. :pt1cable: 

Sorry, I read it incorrectly. Thought they said it was the new cooler.
a b U Graphics card
February 17, 2008 6:33:36 PM

no problem. :) 

I can't find a review of this quad pipe model.
a b U Graphics card
February 17, 2008 7:03:43 PM

Yes, I noticed that too. Looks like most of the hot air goes back into the case although some would make it's way outside through the slot vents.
February 17, 2008 7:19:49 PM

mactronix said:
So that would be the one that I linked to earlier in the thread then would it. :D 
Mactronix

Ahh but see pauldh was nice enough to link it directly to the pics while yours was just to the product. :kaola: 

Makes a whole lot of difference. :pt1cable: 
a b U Graphics card
February 18, 2008 2:21:22 AM

mactronix said:
So that would be the one that I linked to earlier in the thread then would it. :D 
Mactronix

Yep, you da man! :) 
February 18, 2008 5:01:58 PM

you guys have been alot of help. now with the timming of the 98's comming out in less then a month. i mite hold off to see what happens to the price of the 88gts g92's and pick up 2 of them. im sure the 98's will be 6-800.00 new. so i dont think i want to add another 12-1600.00 on 2 vid cards wich would take my total build to sub 3500.00. that would take it 1500.00 over budget lol * sigh * damn computers!!
February 18, 2008 6:45:33 PM

Dan_P said:
the 780i Mobo i have is for SLI. I am going to end up running SLI but i mite not do so untell i see what the new 9800 will be like. the whole vid cards make me feel like i am running aorund in a circle.

Is one card better to OC then others? i have read that the xfx is a better OC. i dont know if this is true


So basicly you are stuck with Nvidia and no DX10.1. The 512 gts is a very nice card. You are going to have to calculate your display and that will dictate what graphics card you buy.
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