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a b U Graphics card
February 16, 2008 9:07:28 PM

I am sure many of you have read the amazing news about the 9600GT today on Nordichardware.com

LINK HERE: http://www.nordichardware.com/news,7357.html

It was orginally thought the GeForce 9600GT was going to compete with ATI's HD3850 however it's performance is way beyond that. Infact per this article the 9600GT unbelievably BEATS the HD3870 in ALL benchmarks.

Not only that but the 9600GT is slated to be priced at $179 and up.

Folks can you imagine the prices that are going to be available to us come March or April?

This means to compete with the 9600GT the HD3870 will have to be priced by at least $10 under $179 and the 512MB HD3850 may sell for $149 OR LESS!!!

Talk about bang for your buck! And that is just the opening prices. What if Nvidia drops the price again in response to the ATI price cuts which are bound to happen?

I am excited about this spring. It is going to be a great time to upgrade your GPU!
February 16, 2008 9:27:35 PM

Waiting a few months if not 6 months for it to really flesh out. Already got a 8800 GT 3 days after it released. We ain't done yet. I think October we'll really know, or then I'll really care.
February 16, 2008 9:29:10 PM

Wait 10years. Then talk about bang for the buck.

Competition is a great thing, ain't it?
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February 17, 2008 3:37:04 AM

With the 8800GT 512 in $200-$220 territory now the $179 9600GT doesn't really change the fact that the 8800GT is the better bang for the buck between the two.
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February 17, 2008 4:10:09 AM

Evilonigiri said:
Wait 10years. Then talk about bang for the buck.

Competition is a great thing, ain't it?

in ten years every game on the market will be at least 2x as resource hungry as crysis or more. :cry: 
February 17, 2008 4:35:44 AM

Well as long as they fix their overscan compensation method, I'll be down for one, but until then, I'm not going to use an Nvidia card because I don't want to use a 1219x688 resolution.
a b U Graphics card
February 17, 2008 5:41:34 AM

rwayne said:
Infact per this article the 9600GT unbelievably BEATS the HD3870 in ALL benchmarks.


Funny, We read the same article, yet came to very different conclusions. You say the 9600GT beats the 3870 in all benchmarks, but what I read shows an OC'ed 9600GT trades blows with the HD3870. :whistle: 

edit: Ok, looked it over again and I think I'll still side with the reviewer as he stated in his conclusion sometimes it beats the 3870 and sometimes it loses. ;)  Must be your forceware drivers are editing the preformance charts before displaying them. I'm running older forcewares on this machine that don't have this hidden "Nvidiot Goggle Optimization" :kaola:  (not calling you an Nvidiot, just having fun)
February 18, 2008 8:23:34 AM

"It whips Radeon HD 3870 in most benchmarks and is on par with 8800GT in more than a few, at "lower" resolutions (1280x1024)."

"At higher resolutions, Radeon HD 3870 and GeForce 9600GT are pretty much even."

yes, prices will drop $20-40 over the next few months... don't they always?
a b U Graphics card
February 18, 2008 12:52:21 PM

sirv said:
"It whips Radeon HD 3870 in most benchmarks and is on par with 8800GT in more than a few, at "lower" resolutions (1280x1024)."

"At higher resolutions, Radeon HD 3870 and GeForce 9600GT are pretty much even."

yes, prices will drop $20-40 over the next few months... don't they always?

You need to look at the actual review...the people who tested the card and not Nordic Hardware's summation of that review. Nordic didn't do the tests, tweaktown did. http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/1293/1/page_1_introduc...

Tweaktowns review states - "the card tends to perform on par with the HD 3870, sometimes better and sometimes slightly worse" and "We have to also remember that this is an overclocked 9600GT and not a stock clocked one."


Shoot, nothing against Nordic, I'm Norwegian myself. But what were they thinking with their summation? Where was the wipping?

Looking over the results in the order listed in the review, clearly the HD3870 and 9600GT traded blows. If anything the 9600GT won with extreme fsaa, tied in vista without it, and the HD3870 had the slight lead in Win XP.

In Vista, Synthetics - The HD3870 won at all three resolutions in 3DMark06. 9600GT won all three resoluions in PT Boats, They basically tied in Cinebench. The Games - HL2 the 9600GT won at 12x10, and lost at both 16x12 and 19x12 - winner HD3870. WIC The 9600GT won 12x10, they tied 16x12, and the 3870 won at 19x12 - Tie. Quake Wars the 9600GT won at all three resolutions - winner 9600GT. Crysis - The 9600GT won at 12x10 and 16x10, tie at 19x10 - winner 9600GT. UT3, 9600GT won at 12x10, lost at 16x12 ans 19x12 - Winner HD3870. High aa tests the 9600GT won, keeping up with the 8800GT.

In Win XP - Synthetics - 3dMark 06 the HD3870 won at every resoluion. 9600GT won at cinibench. Games - WIC HD3870 won at every resoluion- winner HD3870. UT3 9600GT lost at 12x10, won 16x10 and 19x10 - Winner 9600GT. HL2 the HD3870 won at every resoluion - winner HD3870. Crysis wasn't tested in Win XP.

So all in all, synthetic they tied, each with the same number of victories. IN Vista games they also tied with same number of victories, except the 9600GT won the extreme fsaa tests on the one page. In XP games The HD3870 won two games and lost one game. If you add up all the resolutions tested, and count them equal, the hD3870 had 20 victories, the 9600GT had 18 victories.

ANyway, like I said, a factory overclocked 9600GT trades blows with the HD3870 according to that tweaktown review. Nordic must have only looked at the high fsaa page when making the whipped comment as it doesn't go along with the charts as a whole nor the conclusion of the site that did the review.


February 18, 2008 1:02:39 PM

"Infact per this article the 9600GT unbelievably BEATS the HD3870 in ALL benchmarks. "

Ok Charlie.
a b U Graphics card
February 18, 2008 1:03:51 PM

Oh, forgot to say. While the performance of the 9600GT looks great, especially for the price and the x6xx series card, that cooler scares me. Too bad their 8800GT wasn't referenced cooled, but by far the 9600GT was the loudest card of the three. We could look at this review and see it's about the same volume as the MSI ref 8800GT. But testing conditions may have been different so we can't directly compare. http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/1210/16/page_16_temper...
February 18, 2008 5:15:23 PM

Original poster sounds like he's reciting a pre-written advertisement on one of those after-hour ad shows. His ebullience for the coming 'torrents of spring' seems just a little over the top to me. It's graphics cards we're talking about, not the feast of tabernacles.
February 18, 2008 7:01:02 PM

A some enthusiasm and a little color, notably red, doesn't hurt.
February 18, 2008 7:46:03 PM

rwayne said:
It was orginally thought the GeForce 9600GT was going to compete with ATI's HD3850 however it's performance is way beyond that. Infact per this article the 9600GT unbelievably BEATS the HD3870 in ALL benchmarks.

Not only that but the 9600GT is slated to be priced at $179 and up.


I really doubt that the prices are going to be anywhere near $179 in the first few months. Wasn't the 8800 GT supposed to be a $200 card? (according to nVidia before it came out) And only in the last couple weeks have we started to see the 8800 drop below $250.

And I don't see the 9600 beating the 3870 in all of the benchmarks. As others have said, looks like they trade blows back and forth. Not sure what benchmarks you were referring to, cuz it wasn't the ones on the link you posted.

You are right though, prices will be dropping by that time across the board, which is great. But really, they would drop regardless of there being a new series or not. Prices drops over time.
February 18, 2008 7:47:40 PM

Yeah I really hope it drops the prices for the 3870 down a good deal, then I'll be able to upgrade from my 3850 512mb for not much more.
February 18, 2008 7:50:48 PM

I like these 9600gt for $180 but not when you can get 8800gt for $190 after rebate.

There will be more shader heavy games in the future. 64SP sounds weak compared to 112SP.
February 18, 2008 9:00:55 PM

Yeah, I think the 8800GT is great for the amount you pay. The only problem is that not everybody has that much money to spend on the higher performing stuff. Altough some people don't even mind 25 FPS on a little monitor with a low resolution. Plus there are some people that just don't know WTF they are buying so they end up with an expensive midrange card and not a super affordable upper end card.
February 18, 2008 10:03:33 PM

pauldh said:


ANyway, like I said, a factory overclocked 9600GT trades blows with the HD3870 according to that tweaktown review. Nordic must have only looked at the high fsaa page when making the whipped comment as it doesn't go along with the charts as a whole nor the conclusion of the site that did the review.


Sometimes, it's the benchmark sites that overcompensate for a favored company with bad drivers for the competition (ie in "real game" tests). Most times, when the benchmarkers get it right, someone linking to the benchies will give it a spin based on their favorite resolution, graphics settings or game.

One thing I do know, I'm going to spend more for a monitor next month. No 20" at 1680 x 1050. I'll go for the LCD that gives me 1920 x 1200. That seems to be where the 3870x2 avoids CPU limitations.

Nordic Hardware did provide some info on the upcoming 4870, which shows it on par with the 3870x2 at $299. That means I absolutely must get a new power supply next fall, plus a Crossfire board, so I can do CrossfireX. The horror! Does upgrading for DX10.1 never end?

Regardless of what the 9600gt does, I'm looking forward to seeing the spin on benchies of the 9800gx2 and on triple SLI 9800gtx. Nvidia will probably have the crown until 4870 arrives.
February 19, 2008 2:55:37 PM

Nah, all of the Gx2s will burst into flames in everyone's case. If not spewing 9 foot long flames out of the back, they will at least cause case temps to rise and melt the wire coatings and cause shorts and CPU overheating. Ok, so that might be a little over exaggerated.
February 19, 2008 3:37:38 PM

i hope this drives down the price of the 3870 so i can Xfire it :) . will it be worth it though, in say 2 months???
February 19, 2008 3:55:11 PM

amd_fanboi said:
i hope this drives down the price of the 3870 so i can Xfire it :) . will it be worth it though, in say 2 months???



Im thinking along the same lines. Ill be able to SLI my 8800GTS 512...hopefully drivers will be better by then. :) 

Edit: Yes, I know ill need a new mobo too)
a b U Graphics card
February 19, 2008 4:12:37 PM

pauldh said:
Funny, We read the same article, yet came to very different conclusions. You say the 9600GT beats the 3870 in all benchmarks, but what I read shows an OC'ed 9600GT trades blows with the HD3870. :whistle: 


See that's your mistake, you actually READ the article and looked at all the benchies.
How naive of you. [:mousemonkey:1]

Yeah it looks nice, but it's another entry in a pretty cluttered area.

More competition helps, but this doesn't seem to create more competition, just more SKUs in the same space. I think it's probably there because it's cheaper to make than a GF8800GS & GF8800GT-256 which will likely now both dissapear in lieu of detuned GF9600s.
a b U Graphics card
February 19, 2008 4:27:28 PM

marvelous211 said:
I like these 9600gt for $180 but not when you can get 8800gt for $190 after rebate.


I agree, I think it's a tough sell at full price, but expect it to drop in price shortly after launch. It's a congested market place and this seems to basically be clearing out older chips.

I suspect they will sell probably for closer to $174.99 within a week of whenever tey finally do launch.
February 19, 2008 4:41:15 PM

TheGreatGrapeApe said:
I agree, I think it's a tough sell at full price, but expect it to drop in price shortly after launch. It's a congested market place and this seems to basically be clearing out older chips.

I suspect they will sell probably for closer to $174.99 within a week of whenever tey finally do launch.


Indeed. I'm guessing these cards to be around the 175 mark as well. I'm also thinking that the HD38** cards will need to make a big drop too.
February 19, 2008 5:05:42 PM

Across the bottom we also have another sticker that mentions the model of the card, which in this case is the 9600GT. Some of the main specifications on the card are also mentioned here such as 512MB of GDDR3, 256-BIT, PCI Express 2.0 support, DX 10, SLI ready and more.[/

The geforce 9600gt has 256-bit memory interface. It should be renamed to geforce 9750gt, in between the 9600 and 9800.
a b U Graphics card
February 19, 2008 8:08:55 PM

I agree Priced $175 or lower it looks like a nice card. Sorry for the lousy cell phone pic, through a glass display case even, , but my local Bestbuy also has the BFG OC for $230, which is $50 cheaper than the 8800GT OC.
a b U Graphics card
February 19, 2008 10:01:19 PM

Which is a great bargain of course because 9600>8800 ;) 

Yeah I'm surprised that they are already in BB considering there's nada official even on nV's site. :heink: 
February 19, 2008 10:09:04 PM

I'm guessing best buy won't be the cheapest place around and BFG cards aren't usually on the more affordable end either. After more of these cards hit the shelves the prices will drop, although if AMD/ATI doesn't have anything to fire back with it might be a while before Nvidia lets the prices slide.
a b U Graphics card
February 19, 2008 10:24:21 PM

Well it's not just AMD, nVidia has competition from it's own parts. Just like the GF8600, the GF9600 has pressure from the GF8800s alone.
February 19, 2008 10:27:21 PM

Yeah that does seem a little silly that they'd price this sooo close to the 8800GT, not like it hasn't already been discussed though. That's just another thing that makes me think the prices on the 9600GT will go down pretty quick.
February 19, 2008 10:35:25 PM

lol bang for your buck?

GTFO of here, $230 is considered good? You can get a 8800GT...LAWL!!!

Why waste money if you have much better offerings...?

9600 gt is worth 180 any more, and I'd say its just not worth it, b/c its too close to 8800gt territory...numnuts!
:lol:  :lol:  :lol: 
a b U Graphics card
February 19, 2008 10:39:39 PM

TheGreatGrapeApe said:
Which is a great bargain of course because 9600>8800 ;) 

Exactly! No wonder they wanted you to be a mod. :) 
February 19, 2008 10:41:03 PM

Quote:
lol bang for your buck?

GTFO of here, $230 is considered good? You can get a 8800GT...LAWL!!!

Why waste money if you have much better offerings...?

9600 gt is worth 180 any more, and I'd say its just not worth it, b/c its too close to 8800gt territory...numnuts!
:lol:  :lol:  :lol: 


That's pretty harsh. I think Rwayne was talking about a price of $179 not $230, if that's who you're directing that at anyway. At $179 it has alot of bang for the buck, but it's not the best bang for the buck. We'll need to see how things pan out in a few weeks to really know if it's worth anything.
a b U Graphics card
February 19, 2008 10:47:52 PM

pauldh said:
Exactly! No wonder they wanted you to be a mod. :) 


Yeah it's cuz I am so Smrt !! [:thegreatgrapeape:7]

BTW, the main interest for me is what exactly this new improved purevideoHD will have.

Was curious about the additon of things like VC1, but considering that the 'HD war' is supposedly over how important will even that be with it being far less implemented in BR than H.264/MP4 ?
February 19, 2008 10:50:39 PM

Still though the MSI 8800 GT is $219 which is too sexy of a price to pass up at this point and time.
February 19, 2008 11:20:36 PM

T8RR8R said:
Quote:
lol bang for your buck?

GTFO of here, $230 is considered good? You can get a 8800GT...LAWL!!!

Why waste money if you have much better offerings...?

9600 gt is worth 180 any more, and I'd say its just not worth it, b/c its too close to 8800gt territory...numnuts!
:lol:  :lol:  :lol: 


That's pretty harsh. I think Rwayne was talking about a price of $179 not $230, if that's who you're directing that at anyway. At $179 it has alot of bang for the buck, but it's not the best bang for the buck. We'll need to see how things pan out in a few weeks to really know if it's worth anything.


lol no, I even stressed it at the 230 mark its not worth it...period...at 180 is where it should be at, and with the usage of this emoticon ------> :lol:  means i'm joking, more of those :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  means I'm joking just that much more further! :whistle: 
a b U Graphics card
February 20, 2008 12:58:17 AM

Did anyone check newegg tonight?

Price cuts occured for the 512MB 3850 and 3870 cards.

Below are my observations for Newegg's Sapphire 38XX cards over the past few weeks.

3 Weeks 2 Weeks Last To- Total Price
Card: Ago Ago Nite nite Drop in 21 days:
512 MB HD3850 $209 $199 $189 $169 -$40
512 MB HD3870 $249 $234 $219 $189 -$60

BTW...this week is the offical launch date of the GeForce 9600GT. I wonder if tonight's price cuts were in response to the release of the 9600GT. I could only assume so.

I could easily see the prices on both of these cards dropping by another $20 by March / April.
February 20, 2008 1:33:27 AM

Not to change the subject or anything but what about the 9800 GTX or GX2?
February 20, 2008 3:14:39 AM

Rwayne, your right the hd3870 prices have noticeably dropped, the hd3850 not as much however.

oh wait, i missed the 512mb part for the hd385, nvm, u are right. :whistle: 
a b U Graphics card
February 20, 2008 3:22:42 AM

It's good to see the drop. But really it could have something to do with the 9600GT or more likely IMO has to do with the sub $200 AR 8800GT and $160 8800GS prices lately.
February 20, 2008 3:35:58 AM

rwayne said:
Did anyone check newegg tonight?

Price cuts occured for the 512MB 3850 and 3870 cards.

Below are my observations for Newegg's Sapphire 38XX cards over the past few weeks.

3 Weeks 2 Weeks Last To- Total Price
Card: Ago Ago Nite nite Drop in 21 days:
512 MB HD3850 $209 $199 $189 $169 -$40
512 MB HD3870 $249 $234 $219 $189 -$60

BTW...this week is the offical launch date of the GeForce 9600GT. I wonder if tonight's price cuts were in response to the release of the 9600GT. I could only assume so.

I could easily see the prices on both of these cards dropping by another $20 by March / April.


Drop baby drop! Sorry I'm ordering my new system in just over a week and love hearing of price drops.
a b U Graphics card
February 20, 2008 10:08:25 AM

Prices right now are good and they are about to get better.

I don't know if I should buy a new card next month or wait.

I mean we are about T-minus 90 days until the 50% + faster (supposedly) R700 comes out. However when it comes out it will likely be selling for above MSRP like the 3870 and it will take until July, August, or maybe even early September for prices to drop to where they have now for the 3870.

Tough Decision.
I think I am going to wait because the performance increase over my current card would probably not be worth it where as for a R700 it would. It is still tempting though.
a b U Graphics card
February 20, 2008 10:31:44 AM

PRICING UPDATE:

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&ta...

Quote:
We believe that Geforce 9600GT might be a great chip but we believe that the price is a bit too steep for a mainstream card in Q1 2008.

Due to the Nvidia vs. ATI price war, the prices went significantly down and selling a Geforce 9600GT cards for $169 to $189 will be a tough job. This is the American suggested etail price for non overclocked 9600GT cards.

Nvidia has to thank its 8800GT pricing as you can get this card for about $200 to $219 and with such a tiny difference, we can always suggest that you to go for the 8800GT.

Pricewise, the overclocked Geforce 9600GT might get close to 8800GT and we can tell that even the vanilla 8800GT will be significantly faster than any 9600GT.

At the same time Sapphire's HD 3870 sells today at Neweg for $189.99 making it even more difficult for the 9600GT. It will be a tough one and if you haven’t realized ATI launched its Radeon 9600 almost six years before.
February 20, 2008 11:09:08 AM

As far as the price drops go, wasn't the 3850 supposed to be a $149 and the 3570 supposed to be a $199 card after the price drops when Nvidia released the 8800gt256? We are now only getting into the price ranges that these cards were supposed to be when they were released. I'm thinking it's the retailers who are still inflating the prices over what the manufacturers were wanting to sell them, or have finally just stopped the price inflation.

T
a b U Graphics card
February 20, 2008 11:22:03 AM

To the best of my knowledge the MSRP for the 3870 is $219 and the 3850 is $189.

It is amazing to think that the HD3870 was selling for $60 higher just 21 days ago. E-tailers make a killing off of those who are "First to Buy".
February 20, 2008 11:46:07 AM

This is going to be a GREAT year for an upgrade ! But I am still waiting for Nehalem and the next gen ATi and Nvidia highend cards.

Man I am going to really feel a jump coming from a amd 2400+ and X1650PRO agp..
February 20, 2008 11:51:34 AM

rwayne said:
Did anyone check newegg tonight?

Price cuts occured for the 512MB 3850 and 3870 cards.

Below are my observations for Newegg's Sapphire 38XX cards over the past few weeks.

3 Weeks 2 Weeks Last To- Total Price
Card: Ago Ago Nite nite Drop in 21 days:
512 MB HD3850 $209 $199 $189 $169 -$40
512 MB HD3870 $249 $234 $219 $189 -$60

BTW...this week is the offical launch date of the GeForce 9600GT. I wonder if tonight's price cuts were in response to the release of the 9600GT. I could only assume so.

I could easily see the prices on both of these cards dropping by another $20 by March / April.


$20, $10 rebates on both these cards now :D  making them $154.99 and $179 respectively.

I'm really hoping these drops is also retailers and partners starting to clear the channel for and earlier-than-expected R700 release. Wishful thinking?
February 20, 2008 12:00:15 PM

Can't decide if i want to get rid of my GTX in favour of CF'd 3870X2's and a 790FX board...
This isn't making it any easier! :D  :D 
a b U Graphics card
February 20, 2008 12:14:07 PM

oops, drop baby drop.

February 20, 2008 1:06:55 PM

GTS 512mb still better bang for buck compared to GT im my opinion (dual slot cooler ;)  )
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