pwnt. Hopefully they offer a tad better perf per watt and performance as well (talking small amounts here). As usual refinement processes do, and more clock speed of corse.
pwnt. Hopefully they offer a tad better perf per watt and performance as well (talking small amounts here). As usual refinement processes do, and more clock speed of corse.
I find it interesting personally Hellboy. Yes this means nothing for the desktop chips but if they are not to be shipped by HP/Dell and so on until Q2 I wounder when the server Nehalems will come out. I know they usually get released a few months prior to desktops so this might be close for AMD.
If the server "fixed" versions will hit Q2 then we might see the Phenoms by say late Q2 early Q3? I say late Q2 will be the earliest as AMD would want their server chips out first since they do the best in that market.
I don't think clock speeds will change much before 45nm. Then, I expect AMD to have Phenom's clocked at 3.2 to start, with higher clocks to come. B3 is only expected to be 2.6 and is not expected to hit retail until the first week of April, which is basically early 2nd quarter.
Why do things "gotta change for AMD?" it's about making a profit, and if they can make a profit in the market segment they're aiming at, what's the issue? Oh right, if AMD doesn't ramp up to almost please enthusiasts, then Intel won't release enthusiast Nehalems on times. It's all about the price and availability of Intel CPU's to many here. Very strange that.
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'why do things gotta change'? Actually, that's quite sensible. Benches have shown that the two only areas where Barcelona kicks Core2's butt is complex arithmetics and memory management.
It would thus stand to reason that grid servers benefit most from Barcelona - a woman with great boobs and knotty knees won't hang out in a big sweater and a miniskirt...
Look at it this way: K7 and K8, which were in the same situation (very strong arithmetics capabilities) kicked Intel's butt something fierce in the desktop area at the time, not because K7 and K8 were also good all-around chips, but because Intel's product offer of the time sucked.
In what case do professionals change a computer's processor? Answer: in servers, where the platforms allows for minimal interruption on such operation (many UNICes allow for CPU hot-plugging, Windows can't even dream about it), which helps explain AMD's current focus on backward and forward compatibility in their socket and chipset designs.
The fact that only enthusiasts change CPU in their machines, and that such a market doesn't represent more than a single digit percentage of the consumer market, should show iclearly that Barcelona was never designed for that market (the last AMD CPU specifically designed for that was the K6; Duron and Sempron don't count as they were hacked down versions of the more powerful K7/K8 cores).
Long story short, I find normal and sensible that AMD focuses on high performance grid computing as a market, instead of enthusiasts, which by nature is very volatile.
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Efficient coding leads to impressive software; sloppy coding leads to Vista.
Hey Mitch, I like your sig.
That is what AMD needs for the phenoms.
Before they released the core2s Intel spent months and $millions making sure that software was efficiently coded for the extra cache and the 128 bit SSE. They may even have used chip recognition protocols.
For phenom to work the way it should, it needs programs to be efficiently coded for it.
Hey Mitch, I like your sig.
That is what AMD needs for the phenoms.
Before they released the core2s Intel spent months and $millions making sure that software was efficiently coded for the extra cache and the 128 bit SSE. They may even have used chip recognition protocols.
For phenom to work the way it should, it needs programs to be efficiently coded for it.
Yes, because we all know Intel paid to have every string of code on Earth rewritten to show Core2 in a better light.
No i think you will find microsoft have optimised vista for my dustbin as thats about where it deservs to go at the moment, its ****.
I just love how easily and fast people bad mouth Vista. I will agree that it is not what I expected but doesn't anyone remember XP when it first came out? Slow, buggy and full of holes. But after SP1 and then SP2 it showed it potential and yes is still a nice OS.
