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Anonymous
July 30, 2005 2:54:45 PM

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In the past, periodically, I have responded to Microsoft's
advice that updates were available, and, except in the
instance where a VIA update ruined the audio connections
of MSN Messenger and had to be undone and avoided, I have
always trusted Microsoft on these updates.

Windows Update has now added a new wrinkle: In order to use
Windows Update, it wants me to do a "Validation" process.
Obviously Microsoft has been satisfied with my Product ID
or whatever it is that it wants, for years, but I know
from experience that strange and undesirable things can
happen with the validation process, and I'm afraid to
expose myself to that. My system ain't broke jest as it is.

I think I'm between a rock and a hard place on this, and
while I understand Microsoft's paranoia about piracy,
I'm inclined to freeze my system as it is now, rather
than engage in a Validation process again. I look forward
to some constructive advice from the MVPs.
--
William B. Lurie

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Anonymous
July 30, 2005 2:54:46 PM

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In news:%23ejj3aRlFHA.708@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl,
billurie@nospam.org <billurie@nospam.org> typed:

> Windows Update has now added a new wrinkle: In order to use
> Windows Update, it wants me to do a "Validation" process.
> Obviously Microsoft has been satisfied with my Product ID
> or whatever it is that it wants, for years, but I know
> from experience that strange and undesirable things can
> happen with the validation process, and I'm afraid to
> expose myself to that. My system ain't broke jest as it is.
>
> I think I'm between a rock and a hard place on this, and
> while I understand Microsoft's paranoia about piracy,
> I'm inclined to freeze my system as it is now, rather
> than engage in a Validation process again. I look forward
> to some constructive advice from the MVPs.


If your software is legitimate, the process is quick and
painless. I'm not crazy about the idea either, but I wouldn't
choose to "freeze my system as it is now." That could cause you
to miss out on important updates.

--
Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
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Anonymous
July 30, 2005 10:58:43 PM

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the verification process is pretty simple and is a one time deal. If
your key won't validate they just ask you what system it is and where
it was purchased. I used Belarc advisor to pull my key out which is
different than the key on the BOTTOM of my laptop. Rather than use the
Dell one I used the Belarc and got the invalid key message. Told them
it was a Dell PC and it validated.

Wayne

billurie@nospam.org wrote:

> In the past, periodically, I have responded to Microsoft's
> advice that updates were available, and, except in the
> instance where a VIA update ruined the audio connections
> of MSN Messenger and had to be undone and avoided, I have
> always trusted Microsoft on these updates.
>
> Windows Update has now added a new wrinkle: In order to use
> Windows Update, it wants me to do a "Validation" process.
> Obviously Microsoft has been satisfied with my Product ID
> or whatever it is that it wants, for years, but I know
> from experience that strange and undesirable things can
> happen with the validation process, and I'm afraid to
> expose myself to that. My system ain't broke jest as it is.
>
> I think I'm between a rock and a hard place on this, and
> while I understand Microsoft's paranoia about piracy,
> I'm inclined to freeze my system as it is now, rather
> than engage in a Validation process again. I look forward
> to some constructive advice from the MVPs.
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Anonymous
July 31, 2005 12:03:02 AM

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Ken Blake wrote:
> In news:%23ejj3aRlFHA.708@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl,
> billurie@nospam.org <billurie@nospam.org> typed:
>
>
>>Windows Update has now added a new wrinkle: In order to use
>>Windows Update, it wants me to do a "Validation" process.
>>Obviously Microsoft has been satisfied with my Product ID
>>or whatever it is that it wants, for years, but I know
>>from experience that strange and undesirable things can
>>happen with the validation process, and I'm afraid to
>>expose myself to that. My system ain't broke jest as it is.
>>
>>I think I'm between a rock and a hard place on this, and
>>while I understand Microsoft's paranoia about piracy,
>>I'm inclined to freeze my system as it is now, rather
>>than engage in a Validation process again. I look forward
>>to some constructive advice from the MVPs.
>
>
>
> If your software is legitimate, the process is quick and
> painless. I'm not crazy about the idea either, but I wouldn't
> choose to "freeze my system as it is now." That could cause you
> to miss out on important updates.
>
Yes, Ken, that's the way it is in theory. But the only clue I have
as to how legit this 3-year old system is, is that I've never had
to re-validate it even once that I can recall, not even in
installing SP1 and then SP2 myself. I think I'm more secure where
I am, and prefer to stay here rather than "where no man has gone
before". Maybe Microsoft will relent some time and offer updates
without the hazards of revalidation.

--
William B. Lurie
Anonymous
July 31, 2005 12:03:03 AM

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In news:uBlH1MWlFHA.1148@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl,
billurie@nospam.org <billurie@nospam.org> typed:

> Ken Blake wrote:
>> In news:%23ejj3aRlFHA.708@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl,
>> billurie@nospam.org <billurie@nospam.org> typed:
>>
>>
>>> Windows Update has now added a new wrinkle: In order to use
>>> Windows Update, it wants me to do a "Validation" process.
>>> Obviously Microsoft has been satisfied with my Product ID
>>> or whatever it is that it wants, for years, but I know
>>> from experience that strange and undesirable things can
>>> happen with the validation process, and I'm afraid to
>>> expose myself to that. My system ain't broke jest as it is.
>>>
>>> I think I'm between a rock and a hard place on this, and
>>> while I understand Microsoft's paranoia about piracy,
>>> I'm inclined to freeze my system as it is now, rather
>>> than engage in a Validation process again. I look forward
>>> to some constructive advice from the MVPs.
>>
>>
>>
>> If your software is legitimate, the process is quick and
>> painless. I'm not crazy about the idea either, but I wouldn't
>> choose to "freeze my system as it is now." That could cause
>> you
>> to miss out on important updates.
>>
> Yes, Ken, that's the way it is in theory. But the only clue I
> have
> as to how legit this 3-year old system is, is that I've never
> had
> to re-validate it even once that I can recall, not even in
> installing SP1 and then SP2 myself. I think I'm more secure
> where
> I am, and prefer to stay here rather than "where no man has
> gone
> before". Maybe Microsoft will relent some time and offer
> updates
> without the hazards of revalidation.


I'm a man who has gone there before. I've done the Windows
Genuine Advantage thing on all three machines here, and had no
problems with it. No hazards at all that I can see.

But as always, it's your choice.

--
Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
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Anonymous
July 31, 2005 1:24:18 AM

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You have the tools you need. Make a Ghost image of your system the way it is
now. Then go to Windows update and allow it to do it's thing. See for
yourself how painless it is, as long as your software is legal. If you don't
like what you see because you have illegal software, restore your Ghost
image. Then don't go to Windows any more - ever.

You won't be happy with Windows XP's replacement when it comes out next year
either.

--
Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User

Quote from: George Ankner
"If you knew as much as you thought you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!"

<billurie@nospam.org> wrote in message
news:%23ejj3aRlFHA.708@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> In the past, periodically, I have responded to Microsoft's
> advice that updates were available, and, except in the
> instance where a VIA update ruined the audio connections
> of MSN Messenger and had to be undone and avoided, I have
> always trusted Microsoft on these updates.
>
> Windows Update has now added a new wrinkle: In order to use
> Windows Update, it wants me to do a "Validation" process.
> Obviously Microsoft has been satisfied with my Product ID
> or whatever it is that it wants, for years, but I know
> from experience that strange and undesirable things can
> happen with the validation process, and I'm afraid to
> expose myself to that. My system ain't broke jest as it is.
>
> I think I'm between a rock and a hard place on this, and
> while I understand Microsoft's paranoia about piracy,
> I'm inclined to freeze my system as it is now, rather
> than engage in a Validation process again. I look forward
> to some constructive advice from the MVPs.
> --
> William B. Lurie
Anonymous
July 31, 2005 1:27:42 AM

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Correction!

You have the tools you need. Make a Ghost image of your system the way it is
now. Then go to Windows update and allow it to do it's thing. See for
yourself how painless it is, as long as your software is legal. If you don't
like what you see because you have illegal software, restore your Ghost
image. Then don't go to **Windows Update** any more - ever.

You won't be happy with Windows XP's replacement when it comes out next year
either.


--
Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User

Quote from: George Ankner
"If you knew as much as you thought you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!"

"Richard Urban [MVP]" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:eZ03R6WlFHA.3316@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> You have the tools you need. Make a Ghost image of your system the way it
> is now. Then go to Windows update and allow it to do it's thing. See for
> yourself how painless it is, as long as your software is legal. If you
> don't like what you see because you have illegal software, restore your
> Ghost image. Then don't go to Windows any more - ever.
>
> You won't be happy with Windows XP's replacement when it comes out next
> year either.
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Richard Urban
> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
>
> Quote from: George Ankner
> "If you knew as much as you thought you know,
> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!"
>
> <billurie@nospam.org> wrote in message
> news:%23ejj3aRlFHA.708@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>> In the past, periodically, I have responded to Microsoft's
>> advice that updates were available, and, except in the
>> instance where a VIA update ruined the audio connections
>> of MSN Messenger and had to be undone and avoided, I have
>> always trusted Microsoft on these updates.
>>
>> Windows Update has now added a new wrinkle: In order to use
>> Windows Update, it wants me to do a "Validation" process.
>> Obviously Microsoft has been satisfied with my Product ID
>> or whatever it is that it wants, for years, but I know
>> from experience that strange and undesirable things can
>> happen with the validation process, and I'm afraid to
>> expose myself to that. My system ain't broke jest as it is.
>>
>> I think I'm between a rock and a hard place on this, and
>> while I understand Microsoft's paranoia about piracy,
>> I'm inclined to freeze my system as it is now, rather
>> than engage in a Validation process again. I look forward
>> to some constructive advice from the MVPs.
>> --
>> William B. Lurie
>
>
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