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WOW my first ATI in seven years

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February 20, 2008 11:01:26 PM

Boy am I going to get flammed by my fellow Nvidia Fans. Sorry Folks ,I just poped my first ATI in seven years into my machine...WOW the graphics are so much cleaner. In fact I'm so impressed I'm ordering a X2 for my gaming machine....

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February 20, 2008 11:03:41 PM

sorry by the way my other card is a 8800GT
February 20, 2008 11:06:27 PM

What was this first ATI card? The 3870?
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February 20, 2008 11:14:13 PM

Yes....first the desktop just looks cleaner, the only way I can explain it A work buddy let me borrow it after a slight disagreement about video cards....I'll take the slightly slower frame rate in some game rates for the better graphics...this is just my opinion.
February 20, 2008 11:29:18 PM

I was sure I was going to catch allot of flack for this post. As I stated this is just my outlook, the minite i got the driver loaded I could see the differance. I am a solid Nvidia man. but I am going to go ATI X2 for my new build. I'm saying overall Graphics appear to me clearer, cleaner, awsum. my 8800 is a great card fast, but compaired it's like a analog vs a hd tv.
February 20, 2008 11:39:41 PM

I have nothing against ATI. Just stating what I read about the cards. With the price of the 8800GT becoming so low, it's hard to recommend the 3870 anymore.

If you have the time, could you post screen shots of in game scenes where the difference in quality is prevalent?
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February 20, 2008 11:44:21 PM

I remember my first ati card of any real use. The x850xt. Before that I had a 6800gt and then a 7800gt. The ati graphics were "cleaner and brighter" than the nvidia cards without a doubt. Unfortunately it became basically useless because of shader model 3.0. When the 3850 or 3870 get to be lower in price, I'm seriously thinking about picking one up to replace my "net" machine card. It'll be useful for my online game of favorite, and the graphics will probably be noticeably different.
February 20, 2008 11:44:36 PM

I do both, I use my machine for apps and games. Framerates are great but not everything to me. If any of you have the ability to try the 8800 and the 3870, just load the drivers, and load a windows Dreamscene and then try a game....Yes it might run slower in some cases but to me again I look at overall picture quality.
February 20, 2008 11:45:45 PM

You can get a 3870 512 meg now for 189.00 at newegg.
February 20, 2008 11:48:59 PM

docnasty said:
You can get a 3870 512 meg now for 189.00 at newegg.

Which is a great price if the 8800GT 512MB isn't $199. ;) 
February 20, 2008 11:54:32 PM

is a screenshot going to show a quality differance on a forum, to me that would matter on what you view it with? I can take a screenshot and go in the other room and have it appear different, don't get me wrong I have no attachment to ATI, I'm just voicing what I see. You really have to try for yourself, someone else may have a completely different option sitting where i am now.
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February 21, 2008 12:16:45 AM

i have NEVER seen any difference on the desktop(well take that back....my old PCI 4 meg card looks fuzzy, but it looks just fine on a CRT....its only LCD's that do not do well with old analog cards...), but ATI tv out is excellent.

Glad to here you like the card.

and NO a screenshot will not show a difference....things may just look better with a color profile/settings from card to card....
February 21, 2008 12:55:16 AM

I had a interesting article in one of ym maximum pc magazines.In most cases people went for ATI for better image quality,though if you have no knowledge of art or how to see different colors then higher fps is what you want ideally.

Crysis looks much more vibrant and lush on my 3870 compared to my friends 8800gt.Bioshock has deeper colors compared to hsi as well.But in the end its in the eye of the beholder.
February 21, 2008 2:44:55 AM

Well, I have a need to say something,

I bought the 8800 GT, and then 2xHD3870, for many reasons. After comparing the two, I was really blown away with the Image Quality of the HD3870 compared to the GT; especially the colors. There is no question, that the GT is a slightly faster card overall, especially at 4xAA (NOT necessarily at 0xAA and 8xAA), but the HD3870 won me over, and it plays all my games the way "they should be played". ;) 

So, I gave away my GT to a friend. And, I realized that 2xHD3870s were overkill for my resolution, so I also gave the second away.

Just my 2 cents.

;) 
February 21, 2008 3:21:04 AM

Just gave the x2 away?i would have given you something for it at least :D 
February 21, 2008 3:26:30 AM

i've owned mainly nvidia cards, with my 2900pro as my first ati card. when i took my 7950gx2 card out and popped in the 2900pro, there was a definite difference in image quality. my next build will hopefully hd4k series x2's. we'll see though.
February 21, 2008 4:32:32 AM

hmm, I just switched from a 1900xtx to an 8800gt, I happen to have the exact opposite opinion of the OP...
February 21, 2008 5:30:13 AM

I also have had the same experience/opinion. I've own three different ATI cards (the old 9800pro, x800xt, and my current card the X1900xtx) and I've owned two nvidia cards (FX5200, and 7800gtx). In all cases, I felt the ATI cards had better image quality. The best way to describe the better image quality is cleaner, clearer, sharper, and richer/brighter colors. Performance wise that's a different issue, but when it comes to the way the graphics/picture looks, the ATI cards just give it a better or nicer look.

I agree screen shots won't do this comparison justice. The only proper way to really experience it and judge it is by popping a nvidia card in and then switching it with an ATI card. Believe me you'll see a difference.
February 21, 2008 6:00:56 AM

I beleive the ATI cards have better colour than Nvidia, Nvidia seem to blue, even a friend has commented on the picture and he has sli'd 6800 xtremes, dont get me wrong, Nvidia make a nice card but yeh i'm on my 2nd ATI card now, X1900CF and prior to that i had a 9800pro, then there were Nvidia TI4200, mx440, Geforce2, Voodoo2, Voodoo1,
Matrox. picture quality makes for an enjoyable experiance, if Voodoo were still around i'd probably be with them.
February 21, 2008 6:38:16 AM

Well from my (short experience) between an HD 3870/ 8800GT 8600GTS/2900PRO

switching between the two companies cards some things i like about ATI and somethings i like about Nvidia

For one ATI's overall driver interface is x10 better then that stupid Nvidia one, ATI INCLUDES AVIVO, whereas Nvidia you have yo buy Purevideo(which is BS)
gaming wise nvidia wins because they simply have the driver support for many games, and many developers support Nvidia, the reason the 8800GT wins so many Evilonigiri, is because most those games, take Company of Heroes for instance, are simply programmed for nvidia cards and hence work the best. Look at HL 2 ATI cards stomp nVidia's offerings simply because Vavle supports ATI.. and Call of Juraz has always been an ATI favorite.
As for picture quailty, thats a subjective view to me, i dont see ANY difference between the two though it is said that ATI has better but using both a 2900PRO and HD 3870 i didnt notice anything different.
February 21, 2008 8:55:28 AM

What a waste of forum space. Didn't we really see enough of these posts already?
February 21, 2008 10:08:09 AM

aziraphale said:
What a waste of forum space. Didn't we really see enough of these posts already?


If I get rid of it will you quit you bitching!?!
February 21, 2008 10:24:02 AM

lol
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February 21, 2008 11:09:58 AM

Very subjective, but when I replaced my 7900GS with a HD3870 (and since with a 3850) in Guild Wars, I did see an improvement in image quality. I don't think it was enough that people with nVidia cards should go out and buy ATI, but if you're buying new it is something to consider.
February 21, 2008 11:14:56 AM

ive never noticed a difference in ATI vs Nvidia in image quality maby my eyes are f*ckd but i work with both ATI and Nvidia and there is no difference.....

however if you are using a different port say DVI over analog then i would agree that the ATI card using the DVI would look better.
February 21, 2008 11:37:15 AM

It could be that ATI's default graphics settings (color saturation) are different from Nvidia. I noticed a pretty big difference going from a 7800GTX to an 8800GTX, the edges and corners of Nvidia's green spinning logo look crisper and just better all around.
February 21, 2008 11:50:12 AM

I also did notice something when I changed from a 7600GS to a Radeon 3850. It seems the 7600GS visuals when playing oblivion seems to be a little "foggy", while the 3850's seems more vibrant.....
February 21, 2008 11:54:04 AM

Hey you should watch 7 years in Tibet.

Good buy !!!
February 21, 2008 12:23:33 PM

Evilonigiri said:
The picture quality for the 8800GT is similar to the 3870. And that's not slightly slower, in certain games it's a lot slower. http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/ati-rade...

In any case, while the 8800GT's price is very close to the 3870's, the better cooling may be worth the price.


xbit labs is noob bate imho. They arse around with the drivers until all games look like crysis in terms of system requirements and performance. For a start ive got a stock 2900pro and in game max EVERYTHING at 1400x900 S.T.A.L.K.E.R averages like 40fps, absolute min. fps - believe me i know an area with real low fps - is 27fps (system: e6300 @2.6, 2gb, xp 32, cat. 7.12) according to xbitlabs it should hardly run at all. Try linking to just about any other review of the 3870, 3870x2 or any card for that matter, the difference is stark. Think your off on the cooling think too, don't 3870s run (marginally) cooler than the 8800gt?

Ive seen this image quality thing come up a few times recently, more vibrant colours on ATI or something. Maybe static screenshots don't really show what people are on about.
February 21, 2008 12:31:27 PM

I am really wondering how good those ATI cards look. I just made the jump from a 7800 GS (AGP) to a 8600 GT and I thought the picture looked amazingly better. I think it just has to do with improved, more advanced hardware. If the 3870 looks better than a 8800 GT, it must be amazing!
February 21, 2008 12:36:30 PM

I see absolutely no difference with ATI and Nvidia card PQ.
February 21, 2008 1:13:00 PM

Why don't we all just admit that both ATI and Nvidia are producing cards with nice quality output and call it a day...
February 21, 2008 1:15:03 PM

rhawkesus said:
Yes....first the desktop just looks cleaner, the only way I can explain it...

What do you mean by "looks cleaner"?
February 21, 2008 1:58:45 PM

Well I have to agree with the OP. I replaced my 7900GS with a 2900Pro and then a 3850, both of the ATI cards produced much better picture quality on my HDTV.

They also let me use 1280x720 resolution instead of 1219x688 due to overscan issues on the Nvidia card. I don't have any experience with the 8xxx series, but I do know that their overscaning is actually worse on the g80 set compared to the 7xxx series, because of the option to adjust a custom resolution in Vista isn't even there, at least it wasn't the last time I checked.

All in all, I'm extremely satisfied with ATI, especially with their HDTV output.
February 21, 2008 2:17:46 PM

I switched from SLI 7900GTX to a lowly hd2900pro and I can say that the colors for the 2900pro are richer than that of the 7900s.Oblivion also runs smoother (shimmering isles) than both those cards.Since 3DFX all my cards have been Nvidia until now.
February 21, 2008 3:07:23 PM

Quote:
Why don't we all just admit that both ATI and Nvidia are producing cards with nice quality output and call it a day...


I second that.
February 21, 2008 3:14:06 PM

rhawkesus said:
is a screenshot going to show a quality differance on a forum, to me that would matter on what you view it with? I can take a screenshot and go in the other room and have it appear different, don't get me wrong I have no attachment to ATI, I'm just voicing what I see. You really have to try for yourself, someone else may have a completely different option sitting where i am now.


On the nvidia powered machine try going into the nvidia control panel under adjust desktop colour settings, and adjust the digital vibrancy setting right up see if that makes it look closer to the ATI.
February 21, 2008 3:16:11 PM

Third.
Nvidia cards before the 8's used plenty of optimizations, so naturally it may look worse.
February 21, 2008 3:16:36 PM

theres alot of variation between models, too (and drivers). Im not looking for the absolute best colors, but I hate distractions on the image like banding of gradients (of atmospheres, in tunnels etc), random (rare but present) flickering areas (this is most mysterious), and 'shimmering' screens like chainlink fence. Nvidia used to be known for taking shortcuts. I'd like to try ATI against my 8800gt to see if it helps these minor annoyances without bringing other issues.
February 21, 2008 7:54:49 PM

Well I guess I have survived my post :bounce:  I switched back to my old crt to give it a try and I still stick to my post from last night. I'm glad we have these two companies to compete with each other, It helps for progress. I like the speed of my 88 it is faster but not by so much that I see a hugh differance. You know by computer standards Im an old man. I remember my first game rig with a Trident...(now im giving away my age)...I was the big man on the block. I get allot out of this forums and enjoy you all sharing your vast knowledge
February 22, 2008 12:53:21 AM

I concur with most here. Even though I was disappointed with the drivers of hte ATI cards the image quality and "feeling" was much more rich and colorful... I went from a 7800GT
February 22, 2008 12:58:58 AM

ro3dog said:
I switched from SLI 7900GTX to a lowly hd2900pro and I can say that the colors for the 2900pro are richer than that of the 7900s.Oblivion also runs smoother (shimmering isles) than both those cards.Since 3DFX all my cards have been Nvidia until now.


The reason your seeing a difference between the 7900GTX & the 2900Pro is because the 2900Pro is newer, example on picture below. Notice the 7900GTX has the worst image quality of the three graphics cards, in the end the 8800GTX has the better textures filters. The 2900 Pro is most likely on par with the 8800GTX or slightly better.




By systemlord at 2008-02-21
February 22, 2008 1:00:46 AM

I thought by better graphics you meat better textures and stuff, not color, my bad.

I have never owned an ATI in my life, perhaps I should one day.
February 22, 2008 1:02:44 AM

Well, it should extend to the textures and shaders a bit. Historically, I think ATI cards have had better quality in that department, though I can't speak to the latest generation cards for either side (8800 vs 38xx).
February 22, 2008 2:05:15 AM

Just my 2 cents, I haven't had an Nvidia card since the 6800 was king. I do now own an 8800 gtx, but I have had more Ati cards by far. I agree with the above, to me Ati has better colors and a sharper/crisper image in games. And the icons on my desktop have aliasing that i never had with Ati. But after running Nvidia for a while, I don't notice it much anymore. And my 8800 is alot faster than any Ati card that was around when i got it.
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February 22, 2008 5:18:06 AM

Is any of this with an analog connection? ATI and Nvidia use different DAC's. To be honest jumping from X1900XT to 8800GTX and i see no noticeable difference. I will have to do a more subjective test.

I do still give ATI a hands down win for TV out....
February 22, 2008 5:18:41 AM

Evilonigiri said:
I thought by better graphics you meat better textures and stuff, not color, my bad.


Were not talking about color, were talking about image clarity on the edges of a 3D dimensional object. Imagine having two telescopes and telescope 1 has a somewhat fuzzy image with rough edges around the moon, now imagine telescope 2 having a crisp, clearer image with smoother surfaces giving you a better image or texture.

Think of those circles of red rings in the pictures I have provided as how sharp or distorted a texture will look at on any give 3D object.

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February 22, 2008 5:20:21 AM

the OP(well they state it in post 4) is about color, an apparent better color on the desktop....
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