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February 13, 2008 2:03:03 PM

Long time listener, first time caller.

I'm going to reuse the case/power supply (550w) and hard drive (10k rpm raptor) from my current system. I'm replacing a fairly outdated prescott 3.2gz p4 machine. What do you guys think about this build? Any areas of concern? I noticed the Mobo doesn't support PCI 2.0 and that the vid card is PCI 2.0, but from the posts I've read on this board it doesn't seem like the 2.0 cards actually benefit from the 2.0 mobo (and that mobo was the most recommend on the forums). Is that true? Would I be better off buying a 2.0 board? Cost is a factor for me, but I'd like to get something that I'm not going to have to upgrade/replace for awhile. Also, I doubt I want to run SLI/Crossfire anytime soon, so that wasn't a requirement when picking the mobo. Also, on the memory, is there a better option? The only thing I'm really set on is the processor... everything else is pretty much open for change.

Mobo $89.99
GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3L LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX All Solid Capacitor Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Processor $275.99
Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz 2 x 4MB L2 Cache LGA 775 Quad-Core Processor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Memory $39.99 (after rebate) x 2 = $79.98
Crucial Ballistix 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Video Card $219.99 ($20 rebate = $199.99)
MSI NX8800GT 512M OC GeForce 8800GT 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
February 13, 2008 2:06:49 PM

why not try E8400 instead Q6600?
February 13, 2008 2:08:12 PM

budget?

main use?
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February 13, 2008 2:11:47 PM

bob8701 said:
why not try E8400 instead Q6600?


mainly because the consensus on the forums seems to be that games developed in the new year or so will take advantage of the quad core technology... and since I intend to use this machine for 4-5 years, I thought it would be best to go with quad core over dual core. I'm not really an overclocker, and I understand the 45nm chips allow some serious overclocking, but I doubt I'd ever take advantage of that. I did look at the e6850 before being talked into the Q6600 by the posts on the CPU forum.

Also, this post ( http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/247939-28-buyers-guid... ) basically says to avoid the E8xxx due to temp sensor problems.
February 13, 2008 2:13:03 PM

amd_fanboi said:
budget?

main use?


max budget is about $800. The main use will be to play games like Bioshock, Orange Box, CoD 4, and if i'm feeling suicidal, Crysis... and whatever else comes out in the next 2ish years that strikes my fancy.
February 13, 2008 2:18:35 PM

then E8400, with an OC... do you need monitor, os, all that???

i would think you can put in an 8800GTS for that budget, though i ay be wrong
February 13, 2008 2:26:05 PM

your memory is not listed on the GA-P35-DS3L's approved memory list. It might still work though. Are you buying two separate 2GB sticks instead of the 2x2GB kit because it is $1 cheaper?

i wonder why newegg prices the kit $1 more than buying the 2 sticks separately... sometimes I wonder about newegg... :) 

there are cheaper 2x2gb kits. are you looking at the mushkin because of the micron chips or the 4-4-4-12 timing because you are going to OC this to the max? If so you might want to ditch the stock intel CPU cooler and go with something like this:

XIGMATEK HDT-RS1283 120mm CPU Cooler - Retail $39

It looks like a thermalright ultra-120 extreme, but actually beats thermalright's benchmarks and is cheaper and comes with its own fan which is attached using rubber mounts, not a cheap clip.

Here is the review with comparisons to all the other heatsinks on page 5: FrostyTech's CPU Cooler Review
February 13, 2008 2:31:29 PM

amd_fanboi said:
then E8400, with an OC... do you need monitor, os, all that???

i would think you can put in an 8800GTS for that budget, though i ay be wrong


The 8800 GTS and 8800 OC are the same price right now on Newegg. The OC outperformed the GTS on the VGA charts though, so I thought that one would be better. Are you saying the GTS will be a better purchase?


HamRadio said:
your memory is not listed on the GA-P35-DS3L's approved memory list. It might still work though. Are you buying two separate 2GB sticks instead of the 2x2GB kit because it is $1 cheaper?

i wonder why newegg prices the kit $1 more than buying the 2 sticks separately.


Thanks for that link, I tried running through Neweggs memory compatability program and couldn't find the mobo on the list. I'm completely open to changing the memory, but would like to keep the total price under $140 for the memory. I didn't even notice the $1 price difference for the 2GB sticks. In all honesty, it doesn't matter if I use 1GB or 2GB sticks because I have no plans of going over 4GB (don't want to use 64 Bit XP or Vista).
February 13, 2008 2:32:51 PM

32 bit just supports 3gb (some say 3.5gb).

if you are not going to OC much, just get whatever RAM is on the approved list and is cheapest.

Crucial Ballistix 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model BL2KIT12864AA804 - Retail $39 after rebate

Cas Latency: 4
Features: SLI-Ready
Heat Spreader: Yes
Labor: Lifetime limited
Parts: Lifetime limited
Recommend Use: High Performance or Gaming Memory
Timing: 4-4-4-12
Voltage: 2.2V
Model #: BL2KIT12864AA804
Item #: N82E16820146565
Return Policy: Memory (Modules, USB) Return Policy

one thing that annoys me is that if you order two sets of these (= 4gb total) i believe newegg only gives you the rebate on the first set. so if you have a friend who can order the second set and get the discount that might be something to think about.

anyone had any experience with newegg rebates? is that the way it works?
February 13, 2008 3:16:38 PM

Oh, I like that memory Ham. Thanks for the link. I've updated my build to reflect that change.

I'm still not sold on the e8400 or e6850 over the Q6600. I thought the consensus was that games developed in the next year or so would utilize the quad procs and then the dual core's would be left in the dust? Is that not the case? I don't mind spending the extra money on the proc for a bit of future proofing. The e8400 looks nice, but as posted above, I read that there are still some quirks with it and that it was on the "CPU's to avoid" list in the CPU forum.

Also, the 8800 GTS vs 8800 GT OC. Same price on newegg. OC seems to outperform the GTS according to the charts. Any reason to get the GTS over the OC? Also, is the PCI 2.0 going to be a problem with that mobo I picked?
February 13, 2008 3:52:29 PM

Not sure how soon you need this rig but I heard the Q9450 is supposed to be released "REAL" soon with pricing comparable to the Q6600...
February 13, 2008 6:17:14 PM

Unkynd said:
The 8800 GTS and 8800 OC are the same price right now on Newegg. The OC outperformed the GTS on the VGA charts though, so I thought that one would be better. Are you saying the GTS will be a better purchase?


better cooler, faster clocks... better overclocking... also, the GTS is not oced, whilst the GT on the charts is... the GTS is one of the best cards out atm if you can afford it...
February 13, 2008 8:25:13 PM

amd_fanboi said:
better cooler, faster clocks... better overclocking... also, the GTS is not oced, whilst the GT on the charts is... the GTS is one of the best cards out atm if you can afford it...


According to newegg the GT OC and GTS are the same price($200 after rebate), but the GTS (G92) is more expensive ($290ish). So, when you say "if you can afford it", are you talking about the GTS (G92)? I can afford the GTS, but not the GTS(G92).

So if the decision is between the GT OC and the regular GTS , both which cost $200, is the regular GTS the way to go even though the OC outperforms it on the charts? And the reason is that the heat the OC generates is too much and the GTS has more overhead for overclocking (which I probably won't do because I'm a chicken).

mlaporta said:
Not sure how soon you need this rig but I heard the Q9450 is supposed to be released "REAL" soon with pricing comparable to the Q6600...


I'm not in a huge hurry, but I'd like to get it ordered within the next month. I don't usually buy computer equipment the day it's released because I like to let other people do the QA testing. Q6600 vs E8400 seems to be a pretty big debate, and I'm still undecided there. Q9450 looks like it has a mid-March release date, so I wouldn't be willing to buy one of those until May.... but the good news (for me) is the release may push the Q6600 down even lower in price, so that might be worth waiting for.
February 13, 2008 10:04:12 PM

Quote:
http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&ta...

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Intel plans it usual price cut that will affect mostly the old 65nm parts. On April 20th Intel will cut Core 2 Quad Q6700 from the current $527 suggested retail price to $270. The super popular Q6600 at 2.4GHz will drop from $270 to $229. At the same time, Intel plans to introduce its Core 2 Duo E8300 45nm based CPU with 6MB cache and 2.83GHz clock and it will start selling it for $169.

The Core 2 Duo E4600 2.4GHz CPU with 2MB cache will drop from $139 to $119. Pentium Dual core E2200 with 1MB cache and 2.2GHz clock speed will drop from current $87 to $77. Dual Core E2180 clocked at 2.0GHz clock will drop from current $77 to $67.

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