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September 9, 2008 8:33:04 PM

I've been trying to learn to OC and thought I understood it but something isn't working right.

I have the Following:
GIGABYTE GA-965P-DS3
CORSAIR XMS 2GB (2 x 1GB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 400 timing of 2-3-3-6 and 2.75V
And an E6300 at 1.86 (stock)

Now, I try to OC and if I even get to 2.0GHZ the system crashes. As far as I understand the RAM should be able to handle up to 400mhz FSB right? I try to inch my way up there and make it about half way. What the hell am I doing wrong?

note: I have not edited any ram settings in the BIOS either, I just moved the FSB and kept the RAM thing on AUTO.

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September 9, 2008 8:42:40 PM

no your ram can only handle 200FSB which equal to DDR400.

but you should manualy edit the timing to 3-4-4-8 and try overclock further.CAS2 is only related to DDR333 in ordinary DDR ram.

sorry that you came all the way from graphics card section to here:)  good luck.
September 9, 2008 9:26:02 PM

As far as I know the 965 boards are DDR2 only, so I would guess you have different memory in your system than what you listed. Being on auto it may be running your mem faster than a 1:1 ratio and could be your problem. Increasing the voltage to your mem might be all you need.

You can DL Cpu-z and see what information it gives you on what what speed it is running at.
http://www.cpuid.com/cpuz.php
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September 9, 2008 10:16:54 PM

A_NAKED_PENGUIN said:
I've been trying to learn to OC and thought I understood it but something isn't working right.

I have the Following:
GIGABYTE GA-965P-DS3
CORSAIR XMS 2GB (2 x 1GB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 400 timing of 2-3-3-6 and 2.75V
And an E6300 at 1.86 (stock)

Now, I try to OC and if I even get to 2.0GHZ the system crashes. As far as I understand the RAM should be able to handle up to 400mhz FSB right? I try to inch my way up there and make it about half way. What the hell am I doing wrong?

note: I have not edited any ram settings in the BIOS either, I just moved the FSB and kept the RAM thing on AUTO.


Gigabyte's website list that motherboard as DDR2-800 240 pin memory. If the memory you have listed is correct then you have the wrong memory in the board. If that's the case, then no amount of adjustments will make it run right.
http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products/Motherboard/Product...
September 9, 2008 10:59:36 PM

you can't put ddr memory into a ddr2 slot, the pins are different. He probably just forgot to put the 2 after ddr

September 9, 2008 11:24:07 PM

kyeana said:
you can't put ddr memory into a ddr2 slot, the pins are different. He probably just forgot to put the 2 after ddr


He also put 184 pin. Then he has put down the entire memory info wrong. Because what he wrote down is the DDR-400 PC-3200 memory found at the following link.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...(Desktop+Memory)-_-Corsair+(XMS+Series)-_-20145575

@A_NAKED_PENGUIN ,
You need to give us the correct information if you want us to help.
September 9, 2008 11:25:19 PM

kyeana said:
you can't put ddr memory into a ddr2 slot, the pins are different. He probably just forgot to put the 2 after ddr

His post says 184 pin. What I want is a pic of how he got 184 pin DDR into a 240 pin DDR2 slot! :ouch: 
September 9, 2008 11:28:22 PM

@ hairycat101
2nd that on the pic.
September 10, 2008 12:06:06 AM

Ah crap, wrong order history.

OCZ Platinum 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400)

Thats what I got Everything else was right
September 10, 2008 12:29:47 AM

Over clocks are not guaranteed. Check CPU-Z to see what your ram is running at stock. Another item to consider is voltage on the ram. What voltage is it supposed to be running? What have you got it at?

Darn it on the pic, though. Would have loved to see how that DDR ram fit into the DDR2 slot.
September 10, 2008 12:45:08 AM

lower the ram multiplier to 1:1 in BIOS first and change all ram setting to 5-5-5-18 and set it to 2V.

then start your OC from there penguin!
September 10, 2008 12:49:38 AM

CPU-z gives me

MEMORY

DRAM freq - 266.7mhz
FSB:D RAM 1:1
CAS# Latency (CL) 4.0 Clocks
RAS# to CAS# Delay (tRCD) 4 clocks
RAS# Precharge (tRP) 4 clocks
Cycle Time (tRAS) 10 clocks

Command Rate 1T



CPU

Core Speed 1600.1 Mhz
Multiplier x 6.0
Bus Speed 266.7Mhz
Rated FSB 1066.7 Mhz


Anything else?
September 10, 2008 1:16:59 AM

change those timings i told you and also forgot to tell you to change the command rate to 2T it will greatly improve OC ability.do a screenshot of CPU-Z and showing both 1st tab and memory tab as well.
September 10, 2008 2:29:01 AM

AGH! I get 9 different options of timing things I have:

CAS Latency time
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay
DRAM RAS# Precharge
Precharge Dealy (not a typo) (tRAS)
ACT to ACT Delay
Rank Write to READ Delay
Write to Precharge Delay
Refresh to ACT delay
Read to Precharge Delay

I assume I change the first 4 things to what you specify but I cant see a memory voltage anywhere. I see a DIMM Overvoltage control. which allows me to increase in small voltage increments. I just dont want to do something stupid and fry it.

I appreciate the patience.
September 10, 2008 2:35:35 AM

well if you have listen to me set the multiplier to 1:1 then you should have just stock voltage for ram and timing of 5-5-5-18 2T(command rate)

can you do those screenshot for me?its really difficult for me to track and give advice on what to do next.sorry i guess you will have to from the feedback im getting from you.:( 
September 10, 2008 2:43:41 AM

go slow on the voltage for the dimms. Dont jump too much. Too much juice will hurt the OC as much as too little. Yes as far as the timings go. the first four are ususally the ones iluvgillgill is referencing.
September 10, 2008 2:56:06 AM

turn off C1E,Speedstep,EnhanceState in BIOS and change the 1st 4 timings in BIOS to 5-5-5-18 and +0.2V on the ram.and MAKE SURE YOU CHANGE COMMAND RATE FROM 1T TO 2T.

then grab Coretemp if you havent already got that.and see the VID value from Coretemp and change your Vcore in BIOS to your VID value.

after you done all that start upping the FSB.until you reach unstability.

anyone not agreeing with that?maybe you can do a better job of guiding him:) 
September 10, 2008 3:17:56 AM

I don't see a command rate in the bios..... any other names it could be under?
September 10, 2008 3:27:08 AM

turn EIST,no-exec memory function off as well.
September 10, 2008 3:27:48 AM

oh!did you press CTRL+F1 at the main BIOS menu?maybe its hidden from you.

edit:sorry just remember if you dont press CTRL+F1 you dont see memeory timing. anyway i mean try it out yourself to see what other "unknown" timing value it give you one of them must have a value "1(T)" and "2(T)".have you lower the vcore to the "normal voltage" display in the BIOS?
September 10, 2008 3:39:22 AM

i assume your BIOS looks like this
September 10, 2008 3:41:43 AM

yea there's just not anythting that says command rate. I have

CAS Latency time 5
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay 5
DRAM RAS# Precharge 5
Precharge Delay (tRAS) 18

those are what i changed them to as told

now after that I have
ACT to ACT Delay AUTO
Rank Write to Precharge Delay AUTO
Refresh to ACT Delay 0
Read to Precharge Delay AUTO
Memeory Performance Enhance NORMAL
DIMM OverVoltage Control +0.2V (changed to this)
PCI-E OverVoltage Control NORMAL
FSB OverVoltage Control NORMAL
(G)MCH OverVoltage Control NORMAL
CPU Voltage Control NORMAL
NORMAL CPU Vcore 1.32500V
Robust Graphics Booster AUTO
September 10, 2008 3:50:30 AM

well if there isnt anything you can do about the command rate i would say just live with it and start OCing. what cooler are you using to cool the processor? make sure in coretemp under prime95 small ffts it doesnt exceed 70C if it does stop it and either increase cooling or reduce vcore(very unlikely at this stage)

good luck.
September 10, 2008 4:02:25 AM

I can't even add 10 to the FSB, it just reboots default values. (meaning a 266 FSB to 276) I'm going insane. lol As im sure you are
September 10, 2008 4:07:01 AM

erm i think you might need to update your BIOS.this sounds like a BIOS problem rather then the hardware themselve.make sure you download the right BIOS to update.
a b K Overclocking
September 10, 2008 4:24:35 AM

A_NAKED_PENGUIN said:
I've been trying to learn to OC and thought I understood it but something isn't working right.

I have the Following:
GIGABYTE GA-965P-DS3
CORSAIR XMS 2GB (2 x 1GB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 400 timing of 2-3-3-6 and 2.75V
And an E6300 at 1.86 (stock)

Now, I try to OC and if I even get to 2.0GHZ the system crashes. As far as I understand the RAM should be able to handle up to 400mhz FSB right? I try to inch my way up there and make it about half way. What the hell am I doing wrong?

note: I have not edited any ram settings in the BIOS either, I just moved the FSB and kept the RAM thing on AUTO.



It's a little complicated, you have to hit CTL-F1 from the main BIOS screen before you go into the overclocking menu. Also, just jump the DIMM voltage control up to +0.40V. +0.20 volts is not enough.
September 10, 2008 4:31:42 AM

^he could even get it to boot at 10mhz increase. i think he needs a BIOS update since trying so many things and it still didnt help it.
September 10, 2008 4:46:48 AM

I think it may be the command rate of 1. I just looked at the manual and didn't see any way to set the strap to a higher one which I would guess would get the command rate set to 2. It must set the strap automatically as the bus speed gets higher. Maybe setting the fsb all the way to 333 may loosen the strap and have better luck.

As far as upping the mem voltage I wouldn't do that, a few months ago I set up a system for my Son with a p35 ds3r and the same mem which had no problems running 400 at those timings and +.2v.

I really think it is the 1t command rate that is the problem. I know Intel chipsets don't like the 1t and can't believe that it is set that way by default.
September 10, 2008 4:54:13 AM

try jump your fsb to 333!

if you still here penguin!just up the vcore to 1.35v
September 10, 2008 8:31:09 AM

um that might be pushing his DDR, lupi :??: 
September 10, 2008 8:44:42 AM

his is DDR2 not DDR.but yeah lupi:'( 
September 10, 2008 9:02:27 AM

um... "CORSAIR XMS 2GB (2 x 1GB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 400 timing of 2-3-3-6 and 2.75V " first time i heard DDR2 had 184 pins and operated at 2.75 volts LOL! did i miss something or...? XD
September 10, 2008 9:10:04 AM

A_NAKED_PENGUIN said:
Ah crap, wrong order history.

OCZ Platinum 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400)

Thats what I got Everything else was right




V3NOM said:
um... "CORSAIR XMS 2GB (2 x 1GB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 400 timing of 2-3-3-6 and 2.75V " first time i heard DDR2 had 184 pins and operated at 2.75 volts LOL! did i miss something or...? XD


yeah look!you missed all that!!!!:p 
September 10, 2008 9:40:42 AM

yah i looked at like the first 5 then im like meh i cbf skipped to the bottom of the page XD thing i dont like about chrome is u cant middle click and scroll down to the bottom anywhere on the page! on IE7 u middle click on any white bit and.... oh well :( 

btw i don't do that often >.>
September 10, 2008 1:23:33 PM

Hey, thanks for the input overnight guys! I had to go to bed because I got class today. I'll give it a shot when I get back and let you know. I'll have to look for a BIOS update huh? I'm assuming the only place to get those would be Gigabyte's website.
September 10, 2008 3:16:05 PM

yeah the only BIOS update would be available is Gigabyte's own website.make sure you grab the right mobo version and revision as well.
September 10, 2008 11:00:53 PM

Ok. I think I DL'd all the right updates pertaining to my mobo. How do I go about this without killing my Mobo? Also do I have to install ALL updates or just the latest one?
a b K Overclocking
September 10, 2008 11:09:53 PM

Just the last one. You'll still want to add +0.40 volts to the memory
September 11, 2008 1:34:49 AM

UGH, I click the .exe and the DOS window comes up. But then I get some kind of error. I'm going to go crazy here....
a b K Overclocking
September 11, 2008 4:23:02 AM

You're doing a BIOS update right? I'd do that from a command prompt.
September 11, 2008 4:52:09 PM

Well It came with an auto exe and a command prompt opens, but then nothing happens. I don't even get option to do anything, an error closes the window immediately
September 11, 2008 5:19:00 PM

Ugh, nevermind, it seems I'm screwed. I don't have a floppy drive (didn't see it as a necessary format anymore) Oh well. Thanks for the help everybody but it seems I don't have a chance.
a b K Overclocking
September 11, 2008 6:55:37 PM

I always update BIOS from a bootable USB flash drive.
September 11, 2008 8:52:15 PM

Ok, I have a flash drive, how would I go about this procedure then?
September 11, 2008 11:23:28 PM

i dont think you can get luckier then this!i got off my bed specially and dig out my hard drive to find the program just for you!!!:) 

this is the best and simpliest program i have ever use to make a USB bootable!
http://gocoding.com/projects/bootflashdos/LET43/BootFla...

then after you format it just copy your new BIOS and the flash ultility over and select your USB as boot device!

good luck!remember dont trip over your PSU cable!LOL:p 
September 13, 2008 4:47:19 PM

Hmmm. Don't think it worked. It still has my mobo's title when it boots up with the F3 following it. Not an F11. Either way still couldn't OC
September 13, 2008 6:08:04 PM

contact Gigabyte directly.they reply you not like other just ignore you and leave you waiting forever!

:) 
!