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April 3, 2008 6:09:21 AM

Well for everyone who has been helping me over the last month avem and shadow I think the most. Anyway, I am throwing in the towel and trashing the GA-EP35-DS4 Ive done everything I and others can think of and I got absolutely ZERO help in any way, shape, or form from the Gigabyte tech "support". I just cant handle the constant BSOD and error after error. I have resorted to using the local library computers while mine is down to conduct business....shameful.

Anyway, Now what I am doing is finishing my system by choosing the motherboard around the rest of the system. I want to overclock, I play highend games. i don't do video editing or anything like that...games, my business, internet thats about it...but I want first and foremost STABILITY!!!!!!! I don't want to have to stand on one leg while chewing gum and drinking a glass of water and hum the National Anthem to get BIOS to install properly. lol SO what we are building around:

Thermaltake Armor+
Q6600 (GO)
Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme w/ Scythe 1600rpm fan
EVGA 8800 GTS (92) 512
and lastly Dun Dua Duhhhhhh....Vista 64 Home Premium...

I want to use at least 4 gigs of memory and am looking very hard at OCZ memory. The support I have gotten from them has been Grade A!!! And they were helping me with Crucial memory and didn't even suggest to swap until I specifically asked...thats a class act in my book, good business. So there ya have it. My budget is around 250 for the board, id like to go lower but meh...the Mainboard as I can now truly attest is the most important component by far. Thanks every one so much for your time!!! Any suggestions will be most appreciated!!!
April 3, 2008 7:46:21 AM

Best for G0, in order,

ASUS Maximus Formula
ASUS P5E
ASUS P5K Premium WIFI-AP

Love my Formula. Don't forget a great PSU!
April 3, 2008 7:47:42 AM

Thanks so much for the very fast reply!!!

yes I forgot to mention the PSU I am using a Corsair HX620W Modular power supply.

I will check out those boards right away! thanks again!
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April 3, 2008 8:49:17 AM

I've had absolutely no problems with the board in my signature. Rock solid board. I can OC my Q6600 to 3.6ghz on air, idle temp of 38 degrees but, I have no reason to go that high. Maybe the x38 is better to OC.
April 3, 2008 9:31:48 AM

Unfortunately they all have their peculiarities. I don't think the problems you are having with your GA mobo are the norm, and mobo support always sucks no matter who you deal with. I do understand you wanting to change brands though, I know I would. When you get your new mobo, slap in the UBCD and test the RAM before you go through all the OS load BS. If you get any errors at all you have a problem.

Good luck
April 3, 2008 9:41:05 AM

Do not be in hurry and just take a look at ABIT IX38 Quad GT.
It is rocksolid, powerful and had a great ability of OC.
Just check newegg.com and in the forums of it's users, and you can see how much incompatibility the Asus and GIGA boards have and how nice this ABIT one is. This ABIT board is wonderful but unfortunately is not as published as Asus and Giga.
I have searched for a REAL STABLE and POWERFUL board for around 1 month and at last I found that this ABIT board is a great one.
Price,Performance,Stability,OCability,.... whatever you need from a perfect Motherboard.
I have it and I really love it :love: 
April 3, 2008 5:45:31 PM

Well so far I am really liking these mainboards:
ASUS Maximus Formula
ASUS P5E
ABIT IX38 Quad GT
EVGA 780i
April 3, 2008 5:51:01 PM

Go Abit the OCers dream machine
April 3, 2008 6:01:00 PM

Does anyone know a place where I can do my own research as to weather or not a board plays well with vista 64? I want a minimum of 4 gigs of memory also
April 3, 2008 6:12:11 PM

bugspin23 said:
Well so far I am really liking these mainboards:
ASUS Maximus Formula
ASUS P5E
ABIT IX38 Quad GT
EVGA 780i

I am happy that you have added the ABIT to your wish list.
I do not want to force you toward ABIT ,but as someone who has searched very much mostly toward STABILITY and COMPATIBLITY I prefer ABIT. You know in previous searches I have found that ABIT IP35 Pro and ABIT IX38 Quad GT are the most perfect boards that you can find.
The IX38 is prefered because it is more future proof.
Although take a look at it's wonderful OC. I have reached at 3010Mhz with my Core2Duo E6550 with no overvoltage and with it's original sink and fan. (Just set it at 7x430=3010)Isn't that good enough :ouch:  I will push it more when I will be in need for more speed but for now it works like a Porche for me. :sol: 
I do not have enough information about EVGA 780i so do not say anything about that, but I have seen and heared really bad compatiblity issues about your ASUS choices. So be careful and if you are going to buy them search really hard and deep about the right memory and PSU for them.

April 3, 2008 6:31:13 PM

bugspin23 said:
Does anyone know a place where I can do my own research as to weather or not a board plays well with vista 64? I want a minimum of 4 gigs of memory also

I think in some how one of the good places for research about any device are the forums of the seller sites.Why?!!Because you can see many users who have used the desired device and tested it at real world not in some good but not enough environments. So they know good enough about some factors such as ease of use, compatibility, stablity and...
Although test reports of some known sites such as Tom'sHardware, Anandtech and... can be useful but I believe that their tests are mostly at the LAB conditions.
For real world tests take a look at the NEWEGG.COM forums and you will find many realitys about very wellknown boards which are really unbelievable and will see many positive aspects of some boards which are not very nameful.
I have done it for many times and I have seen the difference between realworld tests and Laboratory tests.
April 3, 2008 6:38:47 PM

As far as memory goes, I am looking very hard at OCZ and GSkill.
April 3, 2008 7:15:34 PM

I agree with the suggestion for DFI boards.

Intel also makes very stable boards:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... Overclocking isn't great on this board and SLI isn't an option if that is something you are interested in. Quality and stability wise however Intel boards are the best in my opinion.

If you have a Fry's Electronics near by I'd suggest buying your board there along with a warranty from Fry's. Fry's is generally very good about providing a replacement board if you have problems, I've had to do that on more than one occasion and have always been satisfied.
April 3, 2008 7:18:23 PM

Not much help but Im running two GA X38 DS4's, and they are rock solid here with vista home premium 64bit, the only issue I had was a (new) duff stick of ram causing stability problems. Luckily Ive got two pretty much identical rigs one was running great one was crashing horribly, swapped bits till I found the memory made the difference, then ran two sticks at a time to narrow it down to one pair then swapped indivual sticks to confirm which stick was a problem.

Pain in the neck, but the motherboard itself has been great ever since. All 8 sticks of ram I was playing with are OCZ. Oddly enough the windows vista memory test doesnt pull up any problems with the one stick although Ive been meaning to leave it repeating over night to try to find the problem
April 3, 2008 7:39:14 PM

Still researching, will let everyone know what my thoughts are. I am still open to more suggestions as well. Thanks everyone!
April 3, 2008 7:47:35 PM

Some MB's act up when you install 4 sticks of RAM...the voltage regulators for that path don't like the extra load. Sometimes a slight boost in voltage works,other times not.

Unless your doing large GFX file work there is no advantage to using more than 2 GB of RAM.
If your using Vista it will hog up RAM and if you install 4GB will take up almost 1 full GB.

Any "security" that Vista 64 may have goes away as soon as you run a 32 bit program with it.
-->Read about it or d/l the Security Now podcast on Steve Gibsons site www.grc.com to learn why this happens.

Using 32 bit XP is not only faster in all programs but has no driver problems.
It is also alot better with RAM usage.
With 2GB of ram and a fixed size 2GB pagefile I can run all 3 of my security programs,6 torrents and play Frontlines:Fuel of War at the same time and Asus Probe II shows no more than 59% of the RAM being used.
April 3, 2008 7:53:15 PM

Asus Maximus Formula Special Edition

Thoughts?
April 3, 2008 7:58:37 PM

bugspin23 said:
As far as memory goes, I am looking very hard at OCZ and GSkill.

I prefer Coarsair rather than both of names that you have mentioned.
OCZ and GSkill are both wellknown and good brands.I have seen many uncompatiblities with OCZ and some motherboards but GSkill is somehow better in this aspect.
Coarsair is very famous for it's compatible, OCable and stable memorys and they are really wonderful performer at real world workings.
And ,as you can see, some friends there recommend DFI mobos.I really Like the LANPARTY series of DFI, but be careful if you are not familiar with LANPARTY series the huge BIOS settings will make you feel dizzy :ouch:  They really matter if you use some unknown BIOS settings, because if you do not use a proper memory most of LANPARTY boards with their default BIOS settings will cause you an unstable PC.
DFI LANPARTY series are nice, if you have enough knowledge and time to tweak the BIOS,if not they will cause you a bad headache. ;) 
April 3, 2008 8:01:47 PM

DFI has been the king of OC MB's for many years and the seven in my profile (my game LAN) are all OC'd 50% with -all- voltages set to stock.

If your getting a new MB that you want to last for an extra long time,look at those that use -solid- rather than electrolytic capacitors .
As I run my main computer 24/7/365 I have -never- had -any- brand of MB last over two years as the electrolytic caps dry out.
April 3, 2008 8:10:35 PM

I did look at the DFI brands and they look good, however I am not a "tech person" I have lots of mechanical knowledge and just plain common sense enough to follow directions but when things start to get complicated tech wise I am totally lost. LOL I guess I want it all as far as stability first, but I want speed, overclockability, and ease of use. Im just greedy...LOL
a b V Motherboard
April 3, 2008 10:59:34 PM

^ Take the Newegg reviews with a grain of salt. Most @newegg don't know what they are doing. 780i is okerkill unless you plan on SLI.
a b V Motherboard
April 3, 2008 11:04:08 PM

About the GA-EP35-DS4: What RAM did you use with it?

For the new motherboard I suggest:
ASUS Maximus Formula
ASUS P5K-x (P35 chipset)

Edit: Found your old post and you stated you have used 4GB Crucial DDR2 1065 RAM. I have been doing some research in to this problem for a while now. It looks like the P35-DS3x/DS4x boards seems to have some unknown issues with RAM that is natively higher than DDR2 800 (problems reported by quite a bit people actually)., but now when DDR2 800 is OCed to the same level( ie DDR2 800 OCed to DDR2 1021).
April 3, 2008 11:46:51 PM

shadow shadow shadow....lol

You make a very compelling point! okay so...IYO
Is the ASUS Maximus Formula able to push 4gigs or more of memory and of what type?

Does the ASUS Maximus Formula have a history of playing nicely with Vista?

You're always a lot of help man, thanks for your time!
April 4, 2008 12:20:41 AM

bugspin23 said:
Does anyone know a place where I can do my own research as to weather or not a board plays well with vista 64? I want a minimum of 4 gigs of memory also


that's a good suggestion for Asus and Gigabyte, to set up a space
in their marketing offices so enthusiasts can check out their products.

i wonder if showing up at the Tom's Hardware offices with a
six-pack of decent beer (Sierra Nevada Bigfoot Ale, must be
10%+ alcohol) would open a door to the lab.

the Gigabyte wouldn't run stock speeds ?
April 4, 2008 12:25:09 AM

For my specific experience the ga-ep34-ds4 didnt run period...stock, over, and under clocked with a myriad of different timings and voltages and bios

mmmmmmmmmmmm beer!
a b V Motherboard
April 4, 2008 12:49:41 AM

bugspin23 said:
shadow shadow shadow....lol

You make a very compelling point! okay so...IYO
Is the ASUS Maximus Formula able to push 4gigs or more of memory and of what type?

Does the ASUS Maximus Formula have a history of playing nicely with Vista?

You're always a lot of help man, thanks for your time!

Yes for all questions. You might need to update BIOS to solve some rare problems if you get an older version of the BIOS. For RAM I would recommend DDR2 800, no need for any thing higher than DDR2 800.
April 4, 2008 1:00:17 AM

sounds good, I think I am going to be purchasing tonight then...if the memory is in stock with newegg. have an experience with OCZ or g skill? I love the support from OCZ
April 4, 2008 1:52:16 AM

I just replaced my 680iSLI with 780iSLI, its much more stable than 680i ever was, hasn't crashed once in over a week even overclocking various ways. The 680iSLI both AR and A1 series seem to have some sort of HD controller issue that actually trashed one of my 500GB drives.

So far no problems and have bested my personal best 3Dmark06(default) score to 18088
April 4, 2008 2:10:46 AM

Okay so here is the final choice as it stands right now:

Asus Maximus Formula
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
OCZ Reaper HPC Edition 4GB(2 x 2GB)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Also I am replacing the Thermaltake thermal compound with the OCZ brand.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I am also going to STUFF my Thermaltake Armor+ with new fans but you all don't want to hear about that. =-) I would like to sincerely thank EVERYONE who gave any type of input. I considered every comment. This is why I keep coming back to this forum instead of others. As soon as I get everything stable and put together Ill post many pics of the finished rig in the proper forum. Thanks again! Cheers!
April 4, 2008 2:22:29 AM

So have you decided? Is it going to be ASUS?

I was about to give high five to aminel when my connection suddenly dropped without reason :(  I'm using ABIT IX38 and Corsair, both work well and really easy to play with. No need rocket science to tweak the mobo. I was playing a bit with it, but currently I set it back to stock since I don't really need for OC at the moment. This ABIT mobo seems to be underrated and for some reason they do not advertise much. No wonder we rarely heard of them. I understand that ABIT had some unfortunate years (in couple of years ago). But from the way I see it, in particular with their IP35 and IX38, they become a silent solid performer :) 

And for Corsair, I always love Corsair for it's compatibility. I know it's sound like a fanboism :)  But I read/saw some issues with OCZ, but rarely with Corsair.

EDIT: OK, I just read your new post. Seems we were posting at the same moment :)  Congratulations for you new rig :)  Seems pretty solid to me. I like ASUS too, and I use it many times before without a problem. So good luck with your build ..
April 4, 2008 2:35:42 AM

@ antas

yes I looked very very hard at the Abit board. But in the end I chose the Asus. Thats what my last build was and I didnt have a problem in the world...although...it was also an AMD system...I did reaaaaaaly like the way that board overclocked though...Asus A7V600 there were timings based on your CPU and you just picked one! lol
April 4, 2008 7:54:01 AM

Wish you good luck my friend :) 
Asus,Abit,Coarsair,OCZ and... are all good brands, I want to mention that good brands are not enough to say that everything will be good when you put them together. Try hard to find good brands which will be matched together. This is much more important
I hope your new parts suit you.
April 4, 2008 1:47:50 PM

@ aminel1328

Thanks a lot for all your suggestions they were most appreciated! I agree totally that its hard to find products that play well with others...lol.
a b V Motherboard
April 4, 2008 7:35:11 PM

^ Agreed! Why can't we all have One Standard? No more AGP, PCI, just PCIe x1-x16, 1 CPU socket, etc Then we might actually be able to run AMDs on Intel motherboards (Remember the good old days of K6-2? :lol:  )
April 4, 2008 8:15:37 PM

HERE HERE!
a b V Motherboard
April 4, 2008 8:46:42 PM

^ When will you be getting the parts?
April 4, 2008 8:58:57 PM

Ordering today, comcast went down in my building so I couldn't order last night. Also I am trying to find some really quite high quality fans to pack into my thermaltake armor plus. I think I have found a minor heat problem in my case. The back panel exhaust fan is spinning at 1300 rpm's while my scythe fan attached to the heat sink is going at 1600 rpms...I think its creating a little vortex in there. additionally, the back panel exhaust fan has started to very very very loudly vibrate and the only way it stops is if I press on the middle of the fan (I do this for a fraction of a second) I am thinking about changing the exhaust fan with the same scythe fan. that way i don't get any air flow interruptions. But I want to put in two additional 140mm fans on the bottom as intakes, its just a bit difficult to find accurate data as to weather they are quiet and long lasing.
a b V Motherboard
April 4, 2008 9:37:35 PM

^ For fans look at Scyth and Yate Loon. If you could provide pics of your current/planed fan set up we might be able to make up a good arrangement Mark the direction of air flow in the pics.
April 4, 2008 9:50:22 PM

Ill see what I can do, I lost my digi cam so Ill find a pic of my case online and "paint" in what I had in mind. thanks man!
a b V Motherboard
April 4, 2008 9:54:39 PM

^ Good luck.
April 4, 2008 10:35:52 PM

http://www.flickr.com/photos/24073609@N04/2388619394/

Here is a diagram of the basic possibilities of air flow and fan placement. All the Blue ink indicates cold intake, the red ink indicates exhaust.

From what I have learned about case flow: Intake needs to be High volume and low pressure (Low RPM's) and Exhaust needs to be High volume and High Pressure (High RPM's) Is this correct?

I was also thinking that a kind of cool lighting "theme" would be to actually have all the intake fans be blue and the exhaust fans red... lol Might sound dorky but I like it.

Thoughts?
April 4, 2008 10:55:03 PM

If you couldnt make the Gigabyte board run why would you think throwing a bunch more money at your system will help you figure out what is wrong with your building abilities?
April 4, 2008 11:14:52 PM

Sorry, too harsh.
That Gigabyte board is a good one. I would really find out why or what is wrong before going on to another board. You bought it new? If it is the board you can get a replacement.
a b V Motherboard
April 4, 2008 11:46:03 PM

^
Shadow703793 said:
About the GA-EP35-DS4: What RAM did you use with it?

For the new motherboard I suggest:
ASUS Maximus Formula
ASUS P5K-x (P35 chipset)

Edit: Found your old post and you stated you have used 4GB Crucial DDR2 1065 RAM. I have been doing some research in to this problem for a while now. It looks like the P35-DS3x/DS4x boards seems to have some unknown issues with RAM that is natively higher than DDR2 800 (problems reported by quite a bit people actually)., but now when DDR2 800 is OCed to the same level( ie DDR2 800 OCed to DDR2 1021).

April 5, 2008 12:51:49 AM

@ rsetter1
yes, I am replacing the board, and no. it wasn't a good one. I rma'd it and the ram three times. not good in my experience at least. Several review type sites also pointed out that they had trouble getting the board to mesh well with certain types of memory and other hard and soft ware. The average consumer doesn't have the ability( to just pick up several types of memory and other various hardware and just "experiment". Nor, do they have the time nor the money. So yeah, gave up on the board. And went with something highly recommended by many different sources. As far as "throwing" a "bunch" more money at the pc...I am only paying a total of $25 more for the mobo and memory than what I paid before. Thanks for your comments though. Cheers and have a good day! =-)
April 5, 2008 1:02:05 AM

So Shadow, I was looking around and though that I would be able to throw in some 140mm fans on the bottom as well as the hard drive area the bottom blue circled arrow.

I cant seem to find the 140mm fan that was installed on front of the case. But a good alternative I think would be the AeroCool Streamliner
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Then I thought that another possible intake could be the Scythe Drive bay fan
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Then for the exhaust, I was at getting fans that have red lighting but am not sure really as to what fan company. I thought that the Thermaltake fans looked pretty good. and I would use 120mm fans with a high RPM like 1600+ I have the Scythe 1600 rpm in my rig right now and I cant hear anything...the case is remarkably quiet.
a b V Motherboard
April 5, 2008 2:24:27 AM

bugspin23 said:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24073609@N04/2388619394/

Here is a diagram of the basic possibilities of air flow and fan placement. All the Blue ink indicates cold intake, the red ink indicates exhaust.

From what I have learned about case flow: Intake needs to be High volume and low pressure (Low RPM's) and Exhaust needs to be High volume and High Pressure (High RPM's) Is this correct?


I was also thinking that a kind of cool lighting "theme" would be to actually have all the intake fans be blue and the exhaust fans red... lol Might sound dorky but I like it.

Thoughts?

Yes that is correct. The only change I would make is that change the 2 bottom fan near the HDDs to an exhaust fan. This prevents the heated up air from the HDDs from getting in to the entire system. Even better would be to make the top very top fan intake and the 2 bottom fans exhaust. Will post pic later.
!