9800GX2, 9800 GTX, what is the real 'scoop' ?

"Quad-SLI" with the 7950GX2 was a flop, thats probably why nobody is considering 2 GX2s

Quad SLI is some crazy stuff, but the price of the cards combined with the power they'll require combined with the heat they'll produce will probably make them a less-than-optimal solution for most mid-to-high-end enthusiasts.

Well there's also,
-Company of Heroes dx10
-Lost Planet DX10
-Gears Of War DX10
-Bioshock????

Upcoming title in the coming year looks crazy good.
So crazy from Pong to Crysis. Woot woot.

Back on the 9800gx2 topic:
30% faster then the Ultra sounds good.
How much faster is two g92 8800gts in SLI than the 8800 ULTRA?
As much as I like to wait, I'll likely to pick on on 9800gx2 from evga and step up as the 9 series get release.

Those who have an ultra or a 3850x2 now I bet is more than happy with their setup. I guess those who wants to have a strongest graphic card wants be like those who bought the ultra. Secure for a little while and still be a bit happy with their setup after a while. And for about 500$ compare toward the 700-800$ when the ultra was release. That's even better as well.

p.s: Also in case those of you with ultra who's upgrading toward the 9800gx2 is CRAZY! lol. I guess if you have the $ to buy the ultra in the first place. You can afford to get a new card. lol.

Now that ATI has come with the 3870, nVidia can release the monster its been sitting on for almost a year now

lol yep except a die shrink from 90nm to 65nm, 2gpus on one card and moderatly improved tech for texture units.

I have an idea, how about before going on a rant, wait for it to come out, and then decide.

And the G92's have improvements over the G80's.


9800GX2 is 2 in one.. GTX will just BE a G92 512 basically...

Aslong as it scales as well as the 9600GT then im happy with ti, and using WC it SHOULD beat the hell out of an ultra...

You are absolutely correct, but no doubt, DX10 is going to be the future.

Well one GX2 is reccomended at least a 580watt power supply.

I said already, the 9800GTX will jsut be a slightly higher clock 8800GTS 512 with tri-sli capability. Sorry but there will not be any super breathroughs anytime soon...

CoH: Patched.
Lost Planet: Terrible console port, probably also patched.
Gears of War: Don't know about that one.
Bioshock: Decently implememented but to no great visual improvement.

Now to add to the list.

Crysis: Poorly implemented code, runs like crap, not a great deal of visual improvement.
World in Conflict: Noticeable increase in visual quality but significant performance drop and nothing that DX9 can't do with better performance.
Call of Juarez: Worst DX10 implementation of any game, also patched. Completely unplayable on all but the most powerful systems at low resolution.

All current "DX10" titles have minor to ridiculous performance hits with no added visual features that can't already be done in DX9. DX10 is currently a moot point that is being used to sell windows Vista and DX10 compatible hardware. It has potential, but in the year or so that it has existed in the mainstream market, it has simply been used to display advanced DX9 features.

That sounds about right

Physics are more important than IQ to me. So far I am yet to be impressed by the physics in any game.

Let's keep this discussion realistic, please

I don't think DX9 is near the end of it's capabilities yet, but it will get there. DX10 is yet to show us any of it's capabilities outside of tech demos, and after a year I expect to see something.

At the end of this post I'll put the roadmap voor the 9000 series.

But to answer your question:
I think I'll get the GTX SLI and maybe 3-way later on for 4 reasons :
1/ Scaling is not perfect and the 4th GPU is not worth it so 3 faster cards will be faster than 4 slower ones. See http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3232
They compare scaling crosfireX (4 gpu with ATI X2) vs 3way SLI with ultra.
Keep in mind the ATI X2 could barely beat the Ultra and the new GTX is faster.

2/ Heat : Those GX2 have the gpu's facing each other between 2 cards.
That's probably why the GTX can be clocked faster and cooled better.
I'm sure watercooling and overclocking will be much easier too.

3/ I'm getting a new system as soon as the GTX and 790i chipset are available. I'm still using a P4 ;-) . The reason for the 790i :
What is 790i? In one sentence: a good reason not to look at the 780i at all. Now, the multiple PCI-E v2 is native within the northbridge, avoiding all the bandwidth and latency roadblocks in the 780i.
It also has enhanced SLI. It's mainly two new features called PW Shortcut and Broadcast. PW Shortcut creates a direct path between the GPUs, via the northbridge. This should not only improve performance of SLI systems, but most of all take a load off the CPU, as with a normal SLI systems it has to go GPU#1 > northbridge > CPU > northbridge > GPU#2. Broadcast allows the CPU to send information to all GPUs of a system with a single packet.

4/ Nvidia is planning software PPU (like physics) on a GPU card :
The idea of using SLI for more than graphics has been brought up by NVIDIA in the past. "It might - and probably will - encourage people to buy a second GPU for their SLI slot. And for the highest-end gamer, it will encourage them to buy three GPUs." using SLI, a second GPU can be used to perform physics computations. The feature is customizable and a user can set their SLI configuration in either graphics+physics or graphics+graphics (traditional SLI) modes.

Card Core Launch Price
GeForce 9800GX2 G92-450 March 11 <$599*
GeForce 9800GTX G92-420* Late March <$399*
GeForce 9800GT G92-x April 3 <$299*
GeForce 9600GT G94-300 Launched $179
GeForce 9600GS G94-x May -
GeForce 9500GT G96-300 June -
GeForce 9500GS G96-x July -

Card SPs GPU clock Bus Mem clock
GeForce 9800GX2 2x128 600MHz 256-bit 2000MHz
GeForce 9800GTX 128 750MHz+ 256-bit -
GeForce 9800GT 112* - 256-bit -
GeForce 9600GT 64 600MHz 256-bit 1800MHz
GeForce 9600GS - - - -
GeForce 9500GT 48* 650MHz* 128-bit 1800MHz*
GeForce 9500GS - - - -


* Not confirmed, and should be considered with a pinch of salt

Another advantage of only 2 cards vs 3 (extreme situation) would be that they can both use PCIe 2.0
With 3 it would be 1.0, zould this make a big difference you think?

Yeah, it is my money, and there are other factors too. Such as Crysis, and other games coming out ( Far Cry 2 etc.) that do not yet have a GPU answer. Also, who wouldn't enjoy upgrading if they had the means to ?

http://www.vr-zone.com/articles/Ge [...] /5599.html


What more do ya need, no 768mb of memory im afraid

IMO its not that different to cpu cores some things make good use of it some dont.

How do you figure? Based on these 'rumored' specs, if the drivers are right (big if) that puts 2 cores against 4 nearly identical cores. The only big difference is clocks, and its not drastic. I think 1 extra core will scale better and yield a higher performance increase than the boosted clocks.

I still don't see how the 8800GTX has a wider memory bus and more memory than the 9800GTX. I think some tweaks to the G92 core (opening up the bus and expanding the memory) could make the 9800GTX the monster we want. Maybe they are saving that for the Ultra? Alas it is yet to be mentioned in the lineup as it the 9800GTS?

From Nordichardware:
http://www.nordichardware.com/news,7394.html

Card SPs GPU clock Bus Mem clock
GeForce 9800GX2 2x128 600MHz 256-bit 2000MHz
GeForce 9800GTX 128 675MHz 256-bit 2200MHz
GeForce 9800GT 112* - 256-bit -
GeForce 9600GT 64 600MHz 256-bit 1800MHz
GeForce 9600GS - - - -
GeForce 9500GT 48* 650MHz* 128-bit 1800MHz*
GeForce 9500GS - - - -

* Not confirmed, and should be considered with a pinch of salt

OR maybe nVidia is leaking false information because they want ATI to fall flat on their face when the product is finally released.

My fear is that nVidia is going to disappoint a lot of folks that are holding out for something special....just may not happen.

i would pick up a evga gx2 and if the gtx is a lot better stepup to it

For as lame as these cards (could) end up being, there sure is alot of anticipation and excitement revolving them, it almost seems like more is at stake here than ATI's release of the 3870X2, an excellent card. This is what happens when there is little competition for a long time, and people itching to finally upgrade ( like me ) are scratching at peanuts to find a performance gain.

omg kitty, you pwned/gangbanged that guy

More 9800GX2 pics for anyone interested, and some completely unsarcastic remarks towards Nvidia by Fuad

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php? [...] 7&Itemid=1

He doesn't seem to like them very much

[quote|Fudzilla article]big fan on the back of the card that blows through air the whole card trying to keep it cool.[/quote]

A slip up in the wording there!

Every 6 months usually comes a refresh in graphic cards. Here we are over a year into "DX10" and no REAL DX10 games out. How many generations will we go thru before DX10 appears? Also, Id like to point out that many of the implementations on DX10.1 was actually meant for DX10, but was rolled back. ATI made their hardware to work with alot of these implementations and was severly burned doing so. This has brought on the non competitive situation we had to endure for the last year. So anybody that ISNT complaining about DX10 is looking thru rose colored glasses. And I wont EVEN mention Vista