Some Questions regarding Linux from Newbie.
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DCT
September 27, 2001 2:52:32 PM
1. I got a spare computer that I can install Linux. If I install Linux and don't like it, can I format my HD and reinstall Windows again ?
2. Can I network Linux with Win2000 ?
3. Do the drivers for my hardwares, work with Linux as they do with Win2000 ?
4. Any Windows softwares that is able to run under Linux as well, or do I have to purchase a new version of the software for Linux ?
5. Where can is a good site to read up more about Linux ?
Thanks
2. Can I network Linux with Win2000 ?
3. Do the drivers for my hardwares, work with Linux as they do with Win2000 ?
4. Any Windows softwares that is able to run under Linux as well, or do I have to purchase a new version of the software for Linux ?
5. Where can is a good site to read up more about Linux ?
Thanks
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Anonymous
September 27, 2001 4:53:27 PM
1) Yes. You may need to use a disk install utility (seagate et al have them for download) - or fdisk /mbr - to remove LILO (the Linux boot loader).
2) Yes. <A HREF="http://www.samba.org" target="_new">Samba</A> is the software that does this. If you mean Internet sharing, this is just TCP/IP and no problem at all.
3) No... You need to use Linux drivers, but the concept is similar. Check the <A HREF="http://hardware.redhat.com/hcl/genpage2.cgi" target="_new">RedHat Hardware Compatibility List</A> to see if your hardware is likely to work. Most common things will.
4) Most existing Windows software doesn't have a direct Linux port, so you'll need to find an alternative for most of it. Eg Star-Office KOffice etc. You can use a Windows emulator like <A HREF="http://www.netraverse.com" target="_new">Win4Lin</A> or <A HREF="http://www.winehq.org" target="_new">Wine</A> if you really need to run a Windows application. You probably won't need to purchase much of it though; It's usually free software.
5) <A HREF="http://www.linux.org" target="_new">www.linux.org</A>, <A HREF="http://www.linux-mandrake.com" target="_new">www.linux-mandrake.com</A>, <A HREF="http://www.redhat.com" target="_new">www.redhat.com</A>,<A HREF="http://www.linux.com" target="_new">www.linux.com</A>, <A HREF="http://www.gnu.org" target="_new">www.gnu.org</A>,<A HREF="http://www.gnome.org" target="_new">www.gnome.org</A>, <A HREF="http://www.kde.org" target="_new">www.kde.org</A>. Just search the net...
2) Yes. <A HREF="http://www.samba.org" target="_new">Samba</A> is the software that does this. If you mean Internet sharing, this is just TCP/IP and no problem at all.
3) No... You need to use Linux drivers, but the concept is similar. Check the <A HREF="http://hardware.redhat.com/hcl/genpage2.cgi" target="_new">RedHat Hardware Compatibility List</A> to see if your hardware is likely to work. Most common things will.
4) Most existing Windows software doesn't have a direct Linux port, so you'll need to find an alternative for most of it. Eg Star-Office KOffice etc. You can use a Windows emulator like <A HREF="http://www.netraverse.com" target="_new">Win4Lin</A> or <A HREF="http://www.winehq.org" target="_new">Wine</A> if you really need to run a Windows application. You probably won't need to purchase much of it though; It's usually free software.
5) <A HREF="http://www.linux.org" target="_new">www.linux.org</A>, <A HREF="http://www.linux-mandrake.com" target="_new">www.linux-mandrake.com</A>, <A HREF="http://www.redhat.com" target="_new">www.redhat.com</A>,<A HREF="http://www.linux.com" target="_new">www.linux.com</A>, <A HREF="http://www.gnu.org" target="_new">www.gnu.org</A>,<A HREF="http://www.gnome.org" target="_new">www.gnome.org</A>, <A HREF="http://www.kde.org" target="_new">www.kde.org</A>. Just search the net...
Kelledin
September 28, 2001 6:27:50 AM
To add to the above post:
4) Some games are directly ported to Windows--I imagine this is what you'll be interested in the most. Check out <A HREF="http://www.lokigames.com/" target="_new">http://www.lokigames.com/</A>--but be prepared to pay for Loki's porting efforts. :frown: UT and the Quake series games have been ported from Windows to Linux at no charge; if you own the Windows version, you can d/l a thing or two and hack it up to a Linux version for no cost ('cept a little time). <A HREF="http://www.linuxgames.com/" target="_new">http://www.linuxgames.com/</A> has HOWTOs for a lot of this, as well as HOWTOs for setting up certain games to run under WINE.
5) Check out <A HREF="http://www.linuxdoc.org/" target="_new">http://www.linuxdoc.org/</A> as well. You'll find a lot of HOWTOs there; the HOWTOs are nice when you're wondering for the first time, "How would I make Linux do...."
Kelledin
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4) Some games are directly ported to Windows--I imagine this is what you'll be interested in the most. Check out <A HREF="http://www.lokigames.com/" target="_new">http://www.lokigames.com/</A>--but be prepared to pay for Loki's porting efforts. :frown: UT and the Quake series games have been ported from Windows to Linux at no charge; if you own the Windows version, you can d/l a thing or two and hack it up to a Linux version for no cost ('cept a little time). <A HREF="http://www.linuxgames.com/" target="_new">http://www.linuxgames.com/</A> has HOWTOs for a lot of this, as well as HOWTOs for setting up certain games to run under WINE.
5) Check out <A HREF="http://www.linuxdoc.org/" target="_new">http://www.linuxdoc.org/</A> as well. You'll find a lot of HOWTOs there; the HOWTOs are nice when you're wondering for the first time, "How would I make Linux do...."
Kelledin
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DCT
September 29, 2001 11:10:20 AM
Thanks guys
The softwares I am using is not games, though I don't mind games, but stuff like Adobe Photoshop and Illustrator, and some Macromedia product. Do I need to get Linux version ? I wonder if I have to pay full price again
??? I am going to purchase Maya as well, and wondering which one would give better performance, Maya for Linux or Window XP. I know IRIX is probably the best for it but the price is a bit much.
Also I do alot of Java Programming. I am planning to change to Linux a year or two ago, that's why I only have Red Hat 6.2 They got 7.1 now. When I tried to install it Red Hat 6.2 doesn't have the video driver for My Geforce 2 GTS so I tried Geforce DDR, and it stuff up the screens
I haven't tried again since. Also do I have to partition my Hard Disk ? I want my Hard Disk to be all Linux, Do I have to format it under Linux first ? caused I format it using Win 98, and I think it recognises it as that, and ask to create partition in it. How can I remove it totally ?
The softwares I am using is not games, though I don't mind games, but stuff like Adobe Photoshop and Illustrator, and some Macromedia product. Do I need to get Linux version ? I wonder if I have to pay full price again
??? I am going to purchase Maya as well, and wondering which one would give better performance, Maya for Linux or Window XP. I know IRIX is probably the best for it but the price is a bit much.Also I do alot of Java Programming. I am planning to change to Linux a year or two ago, that's why I only have Red Hat 6.2 They got 7.1 now. When I tried to install it Red Hat 6.2 doesn't have the video driver for My Geforce 2 GTS so I tried Geforce DDR, and it stuff up the screens
I haven't tried again since. Also do I have to partition my Hard Disk ? I want my Hard Disk to be all Linux, Do I have to format it under Linux first ? caused I format it using Win 98, and I think it recognises it as that, and ask to create partition in it. How can I remove it totally ?
Red_Zealot
September 29, 2001 3:19:05 PM
I would download (for free) Linux Mandrake 8.0, and follow its easy, graphical install procedure. It will allow you to completely format your Hard Disk for LInux. I would also recommend that you get "Running Linux", an excellent book that will serve you well.
Photoshop on Linux is taken care of by The GIMP. The GIMP probably came in your distro, and is roughly equivalent to Photoshop.
"If you teach a child to read, then he or her will be able to pass a literacy test" - George W.
Photoshop on Linux is taken care of by The GIMP. The GIMP probably came in your distro, and is roughly equivalent to Photoshop.
"If you teach a child to read, then he or her will be able to pass a literacy test" - George W.
Anonymous
September 30, 2001 12:28:05 AM
Yeah, The Gimp is pretty good, and there are a couple of vector drawing packages like <A HREF="http://koffice.kde.org" target="_new">KIllust.. er Kontour</A> or <A HREF="http://linux.corel.com/products/draw/index.htm" target="_new">Corel Draw</A> for example, too. If you're doing professional work with this stuff, check out the <A HREF="http://manual.gimp.org" target="_new">Gimp Manual</A>.
I've done some Java programming on Linux, and it's all good. Sun supports Linux quite well. SDK and Forte are all freely available.
Mandrake 8.1 is available now, and may be a little improved over 8.0. NVIDIA based cards are well supported under Linux. It'll work "out of the box" just fine, but NVIDIA has downloadable drivers that should be a bit faster (especially with OpenGL).
I've done some Java programming on Linux, and it's all good. Sun supports Linux quite well. SDK and Forte are all freely available.
Mandrake 8.1 is available now, and may be a little improved over 8.0. NVIDIA based cards are well supported under Linux. It'll work "out of the box" just fine, but NVIDIA has downloadable drivers that should be a bit faster (especially with OpenGL).
Red_Zealot
September 30, 2001 12:52:35 AM
DCT
September 30, 2001 5:42:51 AM
Thanks alot guys.
Edit: Nevermind that, They don't have one zip file where I can download everything at once ?
I might get the Distribution CD instead.
Also what's the difference between Gnome and KDE ?? Which one is more stable Graphical environment ?
I'll defenitely check the book. Yeah I am doing professional work from next year. That's why I am seriously considering Linux, since I used alot of Unix/IRIX before, so I should be alright with Linux I guess.
Another thing that motivates me to move to Linux is that I don't like Windows XP activation thing, as it is the last straw that MS pull, for me to abandon Windows completely.
<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by DCT on 09/30/01 03:01 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
Edit: Nevermind that, They don't have one zip file where I can download everything at once ?
I might get the Distribution CD instead.
Also what's the difference between Gnome and KDE ?? Which one is more stable Graphical environment ?
I'll defenitely check the book. Yeah I am doing professional work from next year. That's why I am seriously considering Linux, since I used alot of Unix/IRIX before, so I should be alright with Linux I guess.
Another thing that motivates me to move to Linux is that I don't like Windows XP activation thing, as it is the last straw that MS pull, for me to abandon Windows completely.
<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by DCT on 09/30/01 03:01 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
Kelledin
September 30, 2001 1:08:31 PM
Quote:
They don't have one zip file where I can download everything at once ?Check out <A HREF="http://www.linuxiso.org/" target="_new">http://www.linuxiso.org/</A>. Even so, if you don't have broadband or you don't have a CD burner, you'll still want to buy a $2 burned distribution CD from somewhere like <A HREF="http://www.cheapbytes.com/" target="_new">CheapBytes</A>.
Quote:
Also what's the difference between Gnome and KDE ?? Which one is more stable Graphical environment ?Ummm...this is the center of a whole lot of flame wars! Best you try both and just use whatever you like best.
Kelledin
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Red_Zealot
September 30, 2001 2:11:27 PM
Kelledin
September 30, 2001 5:07:43 PM
<i>/me discreetly removes his hand from a lever in the back of Red_Zealot's neck.</i>
Say hello to Red_Zealot, my demonstration dummy. Give me a sec, and I'll have him rally Kultists while I drink a glass of water! :wink:
(Sorry Red, I couldn't resist.)
Kelledin
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Say hello to Red_Zealot, my demonstration dummy. Give me a sec, and I'll have him rally Kultists while I drink a glass of water! :wink:
(Sorry Red, I couldn't resist.)
Kelledin
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Red_Zealot
September 30, 2001 5:29:54 PM
DCT
October 4, 2001 9:18:49 AM
Hehehe I am installing Red Hat 6.2 into it. If I like it I might get Red Hat 7.1 or Mandrake 8.x
I'll update when everything is working, I might have more questions though.
Edit: No Luck, after I finish installing it, it doesn't even want to boot. Even using the boot floppy disk.
It said something like Kernel Panic or something and it try to terminate, and it just freeze in that spot.
I am not even trying to dual boot.
BTW how big should the \Root and the <SWAP> be ?? My HD is 20G with 256 MB of RAM.
Thanks
<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by DCT on 10/04/01 08:00 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
I'll update when everything is working, I might have more questions though.
Edit: No Luck, after I finish installing it, it doesn't even want to boot. Even using the boot floppy disk.
It said something like Kernel Panic or something and it try to terminate, and it just freeze in that spot.
I am not even trying to dual boot.
BTW how big should the \Root and the <SWAP> be ?? My HD is 20G with 256 MB of RAM.
Thanks
<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by DCT on 10/04/01 08:00 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
Anonymous
October 4, 2001 11:57:59 AM
I think there's a check-box that lets you choose "check for bad blocks"... but an hour seems a long time even for that, unless it's a 386 :-)
I think you'll be a little disappointed with 6.2, especially when compared to a newer distro. I'm putting Linux-Mandrake 8.1 on my box tomorrow, upgrading from 8.0, and I don't think I'd want to go back even to RedHat 7.1 now. Things have improved so much over the past few months in terms of usabilty..
Hope it goes smooth for you.
I think you'll be a little disappointed with 6.2, especially when compared to a newer distro. I'm putting Linux-Mandrake 8.1 on my box tomorrow, upgrading from 8.0, and I don't think I'd want to go back even to RedHat 7.1 now. Things have improved so much over the past few months in terms of usabilty..
Hope it goes smooth for you.
DCT
October 4, 2001 12:01:31 PM
Anonymous
October 4, 2001 12:53:41 PM
I'm running 192MB RAM, and I set my swap to 256MB. I don't use more than a couple of MB of it though. Still with 20GB, I can spare the space... ..
One thing with the older kernels is their ram handling. You may need to tell linux you have 256MB. ie at the lilo boot prompt: linux mem=256M.
/ is the top level of your filesystem, so in this case, I'd go with everything less the /boot and <swap> partitions
see <A HREF="http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-6.2-Manual..." target="_new">this</A> page at RedHat for some more info.
<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by rjb263 on 10/04/01 09:08 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
One thing with the older kernels is their ram handling. You may need to tell linux you have 256MB. ie at the lilo boot prompt: linux mem=256M.
/ is the top level of your filesystem, so in this case, I'd go with everything less the /boot and <swap> partitions
see <A HREF="http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-6.2-Manual..." target="_new">this</A> page at RedHat for some more info.
<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by rjb263 on 10/04/01 09:08 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
DCT
October 4, 2001 1:32:36 PM
Yeah Everytime I boot I got this
Kernel Panic: Attempting to kill the idle task
In swapper task - not syncing
What does that mean ? It freeze at that point
BTW I got 1.4 GHz Athlon with 256 DDR RAM, and 32 MB Geforce 2 is Red Hat 6.2 compatible with that ?
For some reason it only recognise 16 MB of the Video RAM.
I think I need the newer version, is that my only solution ?
Kernel Panic: Attempting to kill the idle task
In swapper task - not syncing
What does that mean ? It freeze at that point
BTW I got 1.4 GHz Athlon with 256 DDR RAM, and 32 MB Geforce 2 is Red Hat 6.2 compatible with that ?
For some reason it only recognise 16 MB of the Video RAM.
I think I need the newer version, is that my only solution ?
Anonymous
October 4, 2001 3:39:48 PM
it probly is the only solution.
i found <A HREF="http://www.beowulf.org/pipermail/beowulf/2000-October/0..." target="_new">this</A> article on the net:
"we've seen this under several circumstances:
> 1. telling linux there's more than actually present
> 2. trying to run 22.14-5 (RH6.2 stock kernel on 750MHz & higher
>AMD Athlons)
> 3. bad ram"
as i read it, it's saying rh6.2 + fast athlons don't mix
...or it could be bad ram.
you can get memtest from <A HREF="http://www.teresaudio.com/memtest86" target="_new">here</A> to check.
my money's on the version just being too old for your hardwawre..
i found <A HREF="http://www.beowulf.org/pipermail/beowulf/2000-October/0..." target="_new">this</A> article on the net:
"we've seen this under several circumstances:
> 1. telling linux there's more than actually present
> 2. trying to run 22.14-5 (RH6.2 stock kernel on 750MHz & higher
>AMD Athlons)
> 3. bad ram"
as i read it, it's saying rh6.2 + fast athlons don't mix
...or it could be bad ram.
you can get memtest from <A HREF="http://www.teresaudio.com/memtest86" target="_new">here</A> to check.
my money's on the version just being too old for your hardwawre..
DCT
October 4, 2001 4:00:49 PM
Thanks man, Yeah I guess Red Hat 6.2 is a bit old. I got it ages ago, but never use it till now.
Well I'll be putting Win 98 back in it, till I get the newer version of Linux, Thanks again.
Edit: Actually, could it be a bad RAM ? Caused when I got my Computer, I had to take it back caused I couldn't install Win 98 cause of bad RAM, but they change the RAM already, and it work fine. Could it be because its DDR ? That's why this old kernel is having problem ?
<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by DCT on 10/04/01 12:03 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
Well I'll be putting Win 98 back in it, till I get the newer version of Linux, Thanks again.
Edit: Actually, could it be a bad RAM ? Caused when I got my Computer, I had to take it back caused I couldn't install Win 98 cause of bad RAM, but they change the RAM already, and it work fine. Could it be because its DDR ? That's why this old kernel is having problem ?
<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by DCT on 10/04/01 12:03 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
Kelledin
October 6, 2001 4:30:23 PM
You should always make your swap space at least twice the size of your available RAM. That's always been a condition for optimal performance--and with recent kernels, it's a condition for stability as well. A lot of the kernel's algorithms just assume that this condition is always the case; if it's not, the algorithms will not handle OOM (out-of-memory) conditions well at all. Most likely your system would have a kernel panic under heavy load.
Speaking of which, some of my favorite kernel panic messages:
"Aieeeee, <something or other>"
"Attempt to kill the idle task!"
"I have no root and I want to scream."
Kelledin
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Speaking of which, some of my favorite kernel panic messages:
"Aieeeee, <something or other>"
"Attempt to kill the idle task!"
"I have no root and I want to scream."
Kelledin
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Anonymous
October 7, 2001 11:49:33 AM
Hello Kelledin,
I had always heard 2.5 times your amount of ram, for Windows systems. However I had not heard/read that in any "tips" areas in relationship to Linux boxes. Could you give me a link where I could read more on this?
I have a couple of boxes runing MDK (from vs 7.2 to current 8.1) and I have never used (at max) more than a few K of vertual ram. One box has 256mb and the other has 512mb (both are AMD-450's <one K6-2 and one K6-3>) I have even run as many as 4 instances of vmware and netscape as well as other programs at the same time ... just trying to get the swap to grow.
I was under the impression that Linux used memory so much more efficently than win OS's and thus the lack of hits on the swap file. Also I had heard a swap of 128mb-256mb was more than sufficient for any Linux install.
I'm not arguing with your statement, as I know you are much more knowledgable than I, but I sure would appreciate a bit more info to help me understand this.
TIA,
Linuxuser
I had always heard 2.5 times your amount of ram, for Windows systems. However I had not heard/read that in any "tips" areas in relationship to Linux boxes. Could you give me a link where I could read more on this?
I have a couple of boxes runing MDK (from vs 7.2 to current 8.1) and I have never used (at max) more than a few K of vertual ram. One box has 256mb and the other has 512mb (both are AMD-450's <one K6-2 and one K6-3>) I have even run as many as 4 instances of vmware and netscape as well as other programs at the same time ... just trying to get the swap to grow.
I was under the impression that Linux used memory so much more efficently than win OS's and thus the lack of hits on the swap file. Also I had heard a swap of 128mb-256mb was more than sufficient for any Linux install.
I'm not arguing with your statement, as I know you are much more knowledgable than I, but I sure would appreciate a bit more info to help me understand this.
TIA,
Linuxuser
Kelledin
October 8, 2001 3:12:38 AM
Can't provide a link to the exact swap=2*RAM requirement--I picked that up off the LKML--but <A HREF="http://www.linux-mm.org/" target="_new">http://www.linux-mm.org/</A> has a lot of nice in-depth info on the Linux VM layer. Enough to make your head explode. <A HREF="http://kt.zork.net/" target="_new">http://kt.zork.net/</A> archives condensed reports of the more interesting threads of LKML, in case you don't want to receive a few hundred e-mails a day just to keep abreast of kernel development. :wink:
Just for kicks, I think I'm going to test the limits of the kernel's VM resilience now and test what I've been hearing. I determined a couple of days ago that 2.4.10 handles OOM conditions quite well, up to loads in excess of 330 over 15 minutes or more. Now it's time for me to really abuse it!
Kelledin
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Just for kicks, I think I'm going to test the limits of the kernel's VM resilience now and test what I've been hearing. I determined a couple of days ago that 2.4.10 handles OOM conditions quite well, up to loads in excess of 330 over 15 minutes or more. Now it's time for me to really abuse it!
Kelledin
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Anonymous
October 8, 2001 6:02:59 AM
Kelledin
October 8, 2001 4:35:47 PM
A little bit. I know the basics of the concept and some things about its limitations. It could be nice for desktops and real-time processes, but I'm not sure how it would affect your standard server that just sits in a corner and does its thing with little intervention. I'm considering running some Apache benchmarks on a preemptible kernel, just to see how it performs.
Kelledin
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Anonymous
October 9, 2001 6:39:05 AM
cool. i use my box primarily as a workstation, so i might try it out.
Edit: well bugger me if it doesn't feel a lot snappier. nice. kernel 2.4.10 + preempt-kernel-rml-2.4.10-7 patch + xfs patch... will probably go with reiserfs though. have to think about that one...
<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by rjb263 on 10/09/01 07:49 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
Edit: well bugger me if it doesn't feel a lot snappier. nice. kernel 2.4.10 + preempt-kernel-rml-2.4.10-7 patch + xfs patch... will probably go with reiserfs though. have to think about that one...
<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by rjb263 on 10/09/01 07:49 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
Kelledin
October 9, 2001 10:53:02 PM
If xfs is stable, and the journaling actually works, I'd advise you to take it over ReiserFS. The two are comparable in speed (each one does different things faster), but there are some advantages XFS might have:
1) Stable journaling. I hate to say it, but ReiserFS's journaling doesn't always work. Sometimes if I edit a file and then do an ungraceful shutdown a few minutes later, the last file I edited gets trashed. Not sure how. Sometimes when this happens, the filesystem is mistakenly reported as having no space left. I love that...
Seeing if XFS can do better is one of many, many things on my to-do list.
2) Quota support. ReiserFS doesn't support quota out-of-the-box. Quota support used to be available as a separate patch, but apparently such is no longer the case. Could be because 2.4.10's quota system isn't quite up to snuff, but it still irks me. =/
XFS has quota support, though I'm not sure how well it's integrated with the kernel. I believe it still takes XFS-specific utilities, but it is there.
3) Extended attributes, the ones set with chattr, are still not supported on ReiserFS at all. XFS supports them with XFS-specific tools; it may support them with standard chattr IOCTLs as well.
Kelledin
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1) Stable journaling. I hate to say it, but ReiserFS's journaling doesn't always work. Sometimes if I edit a file and then do an ungraceful shutdown a few minutes later, the last file I edited gets trashed. Not sure how. Sometimes when this happens, the filesystem is mistakenly reported as having no space left. I love that...
Seeing if XFS can do better is one of many, many things on my to-do list.
2) Quota support. ReiserFS doesn't support quota out-of-the-box. Quota support used to be available as a separate patch, but apparently such is no longer the case. Could be because 2.4.10's quota system isn't quite up to snuff, but it still irks me. =/
XFS has quota support, though I'm not sure how well it's integrated with the kernel. I believe it still takes XFS-specific utilities, but it is there.
3) Extended attributes, the ones set with chattr, are still not supported on ReiserFS at all. XFS supports them with XFS-specific tools; it may support them with standard chattr IOCTLs as well.
Kelledin
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DCT
October 10, 2001 3:10:38 AM
As I mentioned before, Red Hat 6.2 doesn't seems to work with my 1.4 GHz Athlon,
I can't really download it from the net, I am on 56k, not getting broadband till next year.
I can however go out to my local news agency to get Red Hat 7.1 and Mandrake 8.0, both for $10 in one of those Linux magazine.
My Questions is does RH 7.1 or Mandrake 8.0 compatible with 1.4 GHz Athlon ?
I can't really download it from the net, I am on 56k, not getting broadband till next year.
I can however go out to my local news agency to get Red Hat 7.1 and Mandrake 8.0, both for $10 in one of those Linux magazine.
My Questions is does RH 7.1 or Mandrake 8.0 compatible with 1.4 GHz Athlon ?
Kelledin
October 10, 2001 4:24:33 AM
I'd say Mandrake and RedHat are both equally likely to work on your Athlon. I'm an extreme DIY type and tend to build my distro from scratch, and I've gotten Linux to work with no problems on my Athlon 1.33GHz, from kernel 2.2.16 all the way up to kernel 2.4.10 without doing anything special
If I was choosing between RedHat and Mandrake, I would personally choose RedHat. The latest releases of Mandrake just don't seem quite as stable as I think Linux ought to be. RedHat's not all that great in my eyes, but it does win over Mandrake.
If you can get your hands on a copy of SuSE 7.2, I'd recommend that. Trouble is, SuSE makes it very hard to get an installable copy without paying $29+ for the full boxed set. =/
Kelledin
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If I was choosing between RedHat and Mandrake, I would personally choose RedHat. The latest releases of Mandrake just don't seem quite as stable as I think Linux ought to be. RedHat's not all that great in my eyes, but it does win over Mandrake.
If you can get your hands on a copy of SuSE 7.2, I'd recommend that. Trouble is, SuSE makes it very hard to get an installable copy without paying $29+ for the full boxed set. =/
Kelledin
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Anonymous
October 10, 2001 6:20:24 AM
I've had a good run out of reiserfs so far. tried it on a little 2.2.x firewall, and i've used it on my current box before i changed hdd.
from my understanding of journalling, the aim is to ensure filesystem integrity, not the integrity of the files themselves. of course if the fs says it's got no space left after cleaning up, then reiserfs is broken - at least with youre configuration.
it's interesting to see the growing list of kernels not to use on the namesys website, too.
reiserfs has been going good for the past day (a lot faster with notail used), but i'll give xfs a whirl and see what happens. i don't need the extra features of xfs, but i've been wanting to have a look for a while.
Edit: Re the which distro q. i've those are the choices, and despite me currently using mandrake, i'd go for redhat 7.1, then download ximian gnome + star office 6. sorted.
<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by rjb263 on 10/10/01 02:25 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
from my understanding of journalling, the aim is to ensure filesystem integrity, not the integrity of the files themselves. of course if the fs says it's got no space left after cleaning up, then reiserfs is broken - at least with youre configuration.
it's interesting to see the growing list of kernels not to use on the namesys website, too.
reiserfs has been going good for the past day (a lot faster with notail used), but i'll give xfs a whirl and see what happens. i don't need the extra features of xfs, but i've been wanting to have a look for a while.
Edit: Re the which distro q. i've those are the choices, and despite me currently using mandrake, i'd go for redhat 7.1, then download ximian gnome + star office 6. sorted.
<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by rjb263 on 10/10/01 02:25 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
DCT
October 11, 2001 8:36:51 AM
How do you build your own distro from skratch ?? What do you need ? I don't mind building it from skratch, as long as it doesn't involoved downloading 650 MB files at once.
If it is 100 MB at a time I don't mind. Yeah if you point me to a place to start to build my own distro I'll be willing to try.
I thought Linux is the same ? What do you mean that Red Hat 7.1 is different than Mandrake 8 ?
Yeah that magazine come with both RH7.1 and Mandrake 8.0 but since I installed RE 6.2 for like 6 times, and keep getting the same Error at boot up, I think I'll stick with Red Hat. Also that thing come with alot of Linux software, Star Office being one I think.
I might pick it up this weekend, if times allow me.
If it is 100 MB at a time I don't mind. Yeah if you point me to a place to start to build my own distro I'll be willing to try.
I thought Linux is the same ? What do you mean that Red Hat 7.1 is different than Mandrake 8 ?
Yeah that magazine come with both RH7.1 and Mandrake 8.0 but since I installed RE 6.2 for like 6 times, and keep getting the same Error at boot up, I think I'll stick with Red Hat. Also that thing come with alot of Linux software, Star Office being one I think.
I might pick it up this weekend, if times allow me.
Kelledin
October 11, 2001 6:51:50 PM
Quote:
Yeah if you point me to a place to start to build my own distro I'll be willing to try.
Head over to <A HREF="http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/" target="_new">http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/</A>. It doesn't involve huge downloads, just a lot of compiling and a lot of time.
Quote:
What do you mean that Red Hat 7.1 is different than Mandrake 8 ?Ja, different distros use different versions of some software, apply different patches to the source code, put things in different places, etc. etc. Each distro will include a few tools of its own, line YaST2 for SuSE, *Drak for Mandrake, etc. etc. Each one will have different system startup styles, like SysV-style init (RedHat) or BSD-style init (Slackware). There's just many, many different ways to do every little thing in Linux.
Kelledin
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Red_Zealot
October 12, 2001 12:31:54 AM
DCT...You're a newbie...I wouldn't try doing LinuxFromScratch...Its too much of a hassle, and you need to be a Power User... And I'm not a power user, and I know you're not a power user. If you're really concerned about support and stuff, just get some recent distro CDs mail-order for a couple of bucks...
"If you teach a child to read, then he or her will be able to pass a literacy test" - George W.
"If you teach a child to read, then he or her will be able to pass a literacy test" - George W.
DCT
October 12, 2001 2:29:48 AM
Kelledin,
Thanks for the info. I just browse through the site and its defenitely interesting, I will try it next month or so when I have a month worth of holiday.
Red_Zealot,
Thanks for your concern, yes I am a Linux newbie, but I've used Linux before, just not in my home computer, so never actually install or setup one. I normally either use UNIX/SunOS/IRIX. The reason I want to use Linux, is later I might need to build a render farm, using Win XP with its activation code, can be a havoc.
Anyway, I've been interested in Linux for a long time, but never have the time to actually play around with it. And my idea of Linux was from skratch anyway, that's why I got confused with all this distro.
But I am picking up that RH7.1 and Mandrake 8.0 bundle, and next month might try doing it from skratch, its going to be fun. hehehehehe
Thanks for the info. I just browse through the site and its defenitely interesting, I will try it next month or so when I have a month worth of holiday.
Red_Zealot,
Thanks for your concern, yes I am a Linux newbie, but I've used Linux before, just not in my home computer, so never actually install or setup one. I normally either use UNIX/SunOS/IRIX. The reason I want to use Linux, is later I might need to build a render farm, using Win XP with its activation code, can be a havoc.
Anyway, I've been interested in Linux for a long time, but never have the time to actually play around with it. And my idea of Linux was from skratch anyway, that's why I got confused with all this distro.
But I am picking up that RH7.1 and Mandrake 8.0 bundle, and next month might try doing it from skratch, its going to be fun. hehehehehe
Red_Zealot
October 12, 2001 2:59:18 AM
Anonymous
October 12, 2001 4:18:10 AM
DCT
October 12, 2001 8:50:45 AM
Red_Zealot
October 12, 2001 6:14:23 PM
DCT
October 13, 2001 3:10:02 AM
Cool I got both of them working,
First I tried, RH 7.1, I was suprised at how fast it format my hardrive, considering RH6.2 took like one hour this one took like 2-3 minutes. After it boot, I installed Ximian Gnome, that come in one of the CD. I used the RPM installer.
Questions: is it normal to get error during the whole automated RPM process ?? Cause I got some saying can't remove directory and some other.
After I finished the RPM process, I logout since I need to log back in again as user instead of root. For some reason, it crashed on me, it just show loggin screen background without anything, I waited for 5 minutes, than reboot. It booted back fine, saying it fix the error.
Than I run Ximian Gnome, I must say that the GUI theme is very nice. But everytime I open Nautillus file manager, it keep saying that there is an error in the sidebar, and I should close it. I was to tired to mark around with it. GIMP is very like photoshop.
So I decided to try Mandrake as well. So I install Mandrake next, again formatting was extremely fast. According to the book Mandrake come with Gnome 1.4 so I shouldn't need to install Ximian Gnome. But I noticed in this installation, they don't have GIMP installed, which according to the book should come package with Gnome 1.4
Anyway I tried KDE for first time, it look the same as Gnome. I didn't mark around with theme setting, but I must say at the moment I prefer Gnome theme. But KDE seems more responsive than Gnome. That is when I tried to access something, KDE just have faster response time.
Also Gnome Nautillus, is a bit slow for browsing picture file, I think this is because of the thumbnail preview thing, I was browsing alot of large picture file. And I must say that Windows 2000 Explorer, loads the thumbnail faster than Nautillus.
I tried the same with KDE Konqueror, no thumb preview, but it is so fast I am impressed. Anyway I think I need some sleep now, I'll do some more work on it tomorrow.
First I tried, RH 7.1, I was suprised at how fast it format my hardrive, considering RH6.2 took like one hour this one took like 2-3 minutes. After it boot, I installed Ximian Gnome, that come in one of the CD. I used the RPM installer.
Questions: is it normal to get error during the whole automated RPM process ?? Cause I got some saying can't remove directory and some other.
After I finished the RPM process, I logout since I need to log back in again as user instead of root. For some reason, it crashed on me, it just show loggin screen background without anything, I waited for 5 minutes, than reboot. It booted back fine, saying it fix the error.
Than I run Ximian Gnome, I must say that the GUI theme is very nice. But everytime I open Nautillus file manager, it keep saying that there is an error in the sidebar, and I should close it. I was to tired to mark around with it. GIMP is very like photoshop.
So I decided to try Mandrake as well. So I install Mandrake next, again formatting was extremely fast. According to the book Mandrake come with Gnome 1.4 so I shouldn't need to install Ximian Gnome. But I noticed in this installation, they don't have GIMP installed, which according to the book should come package with Gnome 1.4
Anyway I tried KDE for first time, it look the same as Gnome. I didn't mark around with theme setting, but I must say at the moment I prefer Gnome theme. But KDE seems more responsive than Gnome. That is when I tried to access something, KDE just have faster response time.
Also Gnome Nautillus, is a bit slow for browsing picture file, I think this is because of the thumbnail preview thing, I was browsing alot of large picture file. And I must say that Windows 2000 Explorer, loads the thumbnail faster than Nautillus.
I tried the same with KDE Konqueror, no thumb preview, but it is so fast I am impressed. Anyway I think I need some sleep now, I'll do some more work on it tomorrow.
Red_Zealot
October 13, 2001 3:47:12 AM
Anonymous
October 13, 2001 4:50:03 AM
DCT
October 15, 2001 6:09:13 AM
Yeah I got my network going.
I managed to Internet share with my Win 2000 being the gateway.
The computers also see each other now. But It doesn't see the folder, that I tell it to share.
I am still on Mandrake by the way. Also I notice, Mandrake didn't install Pico for me, so I have to use Vi, I still prefer Pico though.
There is alot of stuff that both RH and Mandrake install, some I don't have a clue on what they do. Some programs that come with it don't even work. I just started it and then it shows it starting and then dissapear.
My next install I am just going to install the necessary stuff, maybe using custom.
How do you get rid of those program that come install with the distro ? Can you use RPM to uninstall some of them ? or you can just delete normally like DOS ? I never have to install/uninstall stuff in UNIX before.
Also in Mandrake or Red Hat, is there is short way to change resolution and font size without editing the file ?
I am pretty much at home with Linux, pretty happy with it, though it need to be more develop if it were to equal something like IRIX or SunOS.
I still got to work more on my Linux box.
I managed to Internet share with my Win 2000 being the gateway.
The computers also see each other now. But It doesn't see the folder, that I tell it to share.
I am still on Mandrake by the way. Also I notice, Mandrake didn't install Pico for me, so I have to use Vi, I still prefer Pico though.
There is alot of stuff that both RH and Mandrake install, some I don't have a clue on what they do. Some programs that come with it don't even work. I just started it and then it shows it starting and then dissapear.
My next install I am just going to install the necessary stuff, maybe using custom.
How do you get rid of those program that come install with the distro ? Can you use RPM to uninstall some of them ? or you can just delete normally like DOS ? I never have to install/uninstall stuff in UNIX before.
Also in Mandrake or Red Hat, is there is short way to change resolution and font size without editing the file ?
I am pretty much at home with Linux, pretty happy with it, though it need to be more develop if it were to equal something like IRIX or SunOS.
I still got to work more on my Linux box.
Anonymous
October 15, 2001 6:50:15 AM
samba can be a bugger sometimes. just sift through the samba how-to and the online docs. lots of possible reasons why things don't work.
"I still prefer Pico though" - call yourself a newbie, huh? :wink:
i forget what the sgi software manager is called (it's been a few years), but rpm is similar in that allows you to add/remove apps the same way. just fire up rpmdrake or gno-rpm and uninstall away.
If the XFConfig-4 file is set up right, you can flick between resolutions with Ctrl-Alt-NumPad+ or -. Font size settings depend on the apps or window manager. KDE and Gnome put all that stuff in their settings control panel.
Better not to just delete files (a la dos), as it'll get out of sync with the rpm database.
"I still prefer Pico though" - call yourself a newbie, huh? :wink:
i forget what the sgi software manager is called (it's been a few years), but rpm is similar in that allows you to add/remove apps the same way. just fire up rpmdrake or gno-rpm and uninstall away.
If the XFConfig-4 file is set up right, you can flick between resolutions with Ctrl-Alt-NumPad+ or -. Font size settings depend on the apps or window manager. KDE and Gnome put all that stuff in their settings control panel.
Better not to just delete files (a la dos), as it'll get out of sync with the rpm database.
DCT
October 15, 2001 5:31:26 PM
Thanks
Well I am a newbie at setting up Linux, but I told you I used UNIX for quite sometimes, but never actually had to install or setup anything on it, the admin does all that.
I didn't work on the Networking today, but install Star Office, Blender, and some other stuff, that didn't come with the distro.
Then I was trying to RPM IBM Java SDK. I did it, but where does it put all the files ? If I didn't specified anything ? What is the default location ?
I tried using grep as well, for some reason grep is not working correctly, it just crash the terminal most of the time
Where is a good place to download some of the graphic library like Gtk+, Mesa, etc ??
I might try to setup Wine tomorrow, I heard that thing is hard to get it working.
Well I am a newbie at setting up Linux, but I told you I used UNIX for quite sometimes, but never actually had to install or setup anything on it, the admin does all that.
I didn't work on the Networking today, but install Star Office, Blender, and some other stuff, that didn't come with the distro.
Then I was trying to RPM IBM Java SDK. I did it, but where does it put all the files ? If I didn't specified anything ? What is the default location ?
I tried using grep as well, for some reason grep is not working correctly, it just crash the terminal most of the time
Where is a good place to download some of the graphic library like Gtk+, Mesa, etc ??
I might try to setup Wine tomorrow, I heard that thing is hard to get it working.
Red_Zealot
October 15, 2001 7:11:26 PM
I agree, Pico is nicer to use than vi, and not as complex as Emacs. WHen I installed Mandrake 8.0 on my friend's computer, I was dissapointed to see that it didn't come with Pico. Are you sure grep was installed correctly? I know that grep, sed, and awk are all being replaced by Perl...
Can't you just search for the word "Java" and find the files?
"If you teach a child to read, then he or her will be able to pass a literacy test" - George W.
Can't you just search for the word "Java" and find the files?
"If you teach a child to read, then he or her will be able to pass a literacy test" - George W.
Anonymous
October 15, 2001 7:27:57 PM
I think the java files go in /usr/java/j2sdk_1.3.1/bin or similar (could be /usr/share/java, or even /usr/local/java...). you may need to add it to your path so you can type "javac file.java" from any directory. there'll be something in the java install docs, probably.
The best place to get those files is off your distro cd's. The Mandrake software manager knows all about them, so if you launch that, you can select the packages to install. It also has an update feature, so if there's any fixes available, you can download them, too. (i sound like i'm selling it for them!)
BTW, don't put Mesa on if you have the NVIDIA graphics drivers, cos it'll slow it down.
The best place to get those files is off your distro cd's. The Mandrake software manager knows all about them, so if you launch that, you can select the packages to install. It also has an update feature, so if there's any fixes available, you can download them, too. (i sound like i'm selling it for them!)
BTW, don't put Mesa on if you have the NVIDIA graphics drivers, cos it'll slow it down.
DCT
October 16, 2001 10:04:36 AM
Yeah I search for Java and come up empty
, but nevermind I've decided I stick to Sun distro for Java since that's the one I used most of the time. So I am downloading that at the moment.
I tried installing the Quake 3 demo that comes, but it said I needed the OpenGL library when I start it up, I thought Mesa is the OpenGL for Linux ? What's the other option ?
I also tried to instal Gkrellm but it need glib, gtk+ and lmlib is those file meant to come with Mandrake distro ? Cause I can't find them
, but nevermind I've decided I stick to Sun distro for Java since that's the one I used most of the time. So I am downloading that at the moment.I tried installing the Quake 3 demo that comes, but it said I needed the OpenGL library when I start it up, I thought Mesa is the OpenGL for Linux ? What's the other option ?
I also tried to instal Gkrellm but it need glib, gtk+ and lmlib is those file meant to come with Mandrake distro ? Cause I can't find them
Anonymous
October 16, 2001 11:46:49 AM
ok. it's like this...
if you have an NVIDIA card, and do you have the latest NVIDIA drivers installed? This comes with an OpenGL driver which will work just fine.
Otherwise, the Mesa libs are on your distro CD, but be aware that it'll be slower than the NVIDIA hardware acceleration.
re Gkrellm, a lot depends on how you're installing it. If you go through rpmdrake (the mandrake package manager) then it will tell you what it needs, and install those packages too. Alternatively, if you're typing rpm -i gkrellm... then look for libgtk+... and such on the install CD's.
On the otherhand, if you downloaded the source tarball then you need the dev versions of the packages installed, to compile it.
It's all there on the CD's. Really. Which package manager are you using to install this stuff?
if you have an NVIDIA card, and do you have the latest NVIDIA drivers installed? This comes with an OpenGL driver which will work just fine.
Otherwise, the Mesa libs are on your distro CD, but be aware that it'll be slower than the NVIDIA hardware acceleration.
re Gkrellm, a lot depends on how you're installing it. If you go through rpmdrake (the mandrake package manager) then it will tell you what it needs, and install those packages too. Alternatively, if you're typing rpm -i gkrellm... then look for libgtk+... and such on the install CD's.
On the otherhand, if you downloaded the source tarball then you need the dev versions of the packages installed, to compile it.
It's all there on the CD's. Really. Which package manager are you using to install this stuff?
DCT
October 17, 2001 8:09:15 AM
Thanks,
I got Quake3 working, yeah the distro didn't install the Nvidia driver like I thought it would,
I am just using the terminal to install this stuff, I'll try those software manager, probably the Drake Software Manager, thing
For Gkrellm I think I got the source, cause I am using makefile to compile the source. So I need the dev version install, got it, will try it later
I got Quake3 working, yeah the distro didn't install the Nvidia driver like I thought it would,
I am just using the terminal to install this stuff, I'll try those software manager, probably the Drake Software Manager, thing
For Gkrellm I think I got the source, cause I am using makefile to compile the source. So I need the dev version install, got it, will try it later
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