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Geforce 9800GTX revealed

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February 25, 2008 7:41:37 PM

http://www.vr-zone.com/articles/GeForce_9800_GTX_Card_P...

My 8800GTS has a 678 core and a 1725 shader so unfortunately this is only the small increase we all suspected <sigh>
February 25, 2008 7:47:04 PM

I remember seeing a link on VR-Zone a few weeks back and the card looked a lot more impressive then!
It had HDMI, and higher-quoted clocks than that. I'd be surprised if it was 256-bit as well! I would be highly surprised if board power is 168W... surely 8800GTS's in SLi consume more than that?!?!
A bucket of salt needed, perhaps?
February 25, 2008 7:53:56 PM

LukeBird said:
I remember seeing a link on VR-Zone a few weeks back and the card looked a lot more impressive then!
It had HDMI, and higher-quoted clocks than that. I'd be surprised if it was 256-bit as well! I would be highly surprised if board power is 168W... surely 8800GTS's in SLi consume more than that?!?!
A bucket of salt needed, perhaps?


<sigh>
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February 25, 2008 8:04:23 PM

I hope so.
February 25, 2008 8:55:01 PM

I am also really hoping this wil be the next high-end card that I want in SLI (maybe even 3-way some day if they can make one card do physics computations as Nvidia said they would do by software).
I'll get the 790i as soon as it is available and pare it up with GTX or GX2 SLI depending the benches.
I desperately need a new rig, can't play anything anymore on my P4 with a 4200ti, don't laugh ;-)
I have not had much time to game the last 2 years but now that I do my rig is completely outdated. Fortunately I've been saving during that time and I really want to get into it again...
February 25, 2008 9:23:18 PM

Someone feel free to correct my logic on this... but it seems to me those specs are incredibly fake. That's just an overclocked 512 GTS! Not only would it never be that long, it wouldn't need dual 6 pin power connectors. You can buy a voltmodded 512 GTS on ebay with 850/2000/2050 speeds and it only runs on one connector and completely out paces an ultra at those speeds. If this is the real specs nvidia might as well call it 9800 retard addition.
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February 25, 2008 9:46:14 PM

LAN_deRf_HA said:
Someone feel free to correct my logic on this... but it seems to me those specs are incredibly fake. That's just an overclocked 512 GTS! Not only would it never be that long, it wouldn't need dual 6 pin power connectors. You can buy a voltmodded 512 GTS on ebay with 850/2000/2050 speeds and it only runs on one connector and completely out paces an ultra at those speeds. If this is the real specs nvidia might as well call it 9800 retard addition.


:lol:  Why buy a volt modded one? When you can DIY. Volt mods do miracles in terms of performance as long as you have a good cooler. Check out my modded 8400GS ;) 

:lol:  I know its a low end card but this is not my main rig. I put this together for a school project and for surfing the web.
February 25, 2008 10:11:01 PM

Why buy a volt modded one? Cause you can't get those speeds without voltmodding.... and this is using the stock cooler... more performance than an ultra for half the price in a single gpu configuration? I'm starting to wonder why I didn't bid on it...
February 25, 2008 10:57:12 PM

LAN_deRf_HA said:
Someone feel free to correct my logic on this... but it seems to me those specs are incredibly fake. That's just an overclocked 512 GTS! Not only would it never be that long, it wouldn't need dual 6 pin power connectors. You can buy a voltmodded 512 GTS on ebay with 850/2000/2050 speeds and it only runs on one connector and completely out paces an ultra at those speeds. If this is the real specs nvidia might as well call it 9800 retard addition.

"Not only would it never be that long"
http://en.expreview.com/?p=275

" it wouldn't need dual 6 pin power connectors"
basis for this?
Suppose it uses 160w?
All speculation anyway
February 25, 2008 11:24:06 PM

Did you not read my whole post? Basis was my comparison to the 512 GTS having the same specs but lower clock speed, yet being shorter and not requiring two 6 pin connectors even after being voltmodded to higher specs than VR is reporting for the 9800. Those specs they list are completely illogical, and if they turn out to be true nvidia is just wasting our time.
February 25, 2008 11:48:21 PM

LAN_deRf_HA said:
Did you not read my whole post? Basis was my comparison to the 512 GTS having the same specs but lower clock speed, yet being shorter and not requiring two 6 pin connectors even after being voltmodded to higher specs than VR is reporting for the 9800. Those specs they list are completely illogical, and if they turn out to be true nvidia is just wasting our time.

Fair enough
another source:
http://en.expreview.com/?p=274

"Those specs they list are completely illogical, and if they turn out to be true nvidia is just wasting our time."

How true, I'll be the 1st to admit that, you?
February 26, 2008 12:10:16 AM

Why fetch out a high end card that isnt much better than its Mid-range counterpart??

By releasing the 9800 with a 256bit bus nVidia would be taking a step back. Although, we are yet to see a G9x GPU with more than a 256bit bus.... But judging from the performance we get from 256bit... imagine what we'd be getting from 386bit or 512!?

nVidia isnt going to release a 9800 series that only just outpaces its recently released 9600 models (not unless nvidia plans on selling these single GPU 9800 cards for under £200/$400)....

The GX2 isnt going to be a failure either, look at 9600GT SLI scaling... 2 x 9600's outpacing a 8800 Ultra.
So 2 x 9800 GPUs (and they will be 9800 specs, otherwise it'd be called the 8800GX2) should give the same healthy scaling we got from the 9600GT, but with around double the performance (at least DOUBLE the SP's and a step up to a 386bit bus or higher)

All I'm doing is using logic here and working on facts we currently have to make a kinda educated estimate at what the 9800GTX & 9800GX2 can achieve.

2 x 9600GT's in SLI = 8800 Ultra Performance
2 x 9600GT's cost £230 1 8800 Ultra costs £320 minimum

The 9800GX2 can be expected to be at least 50% more powerful than the 9600GT SLi setup (that's no crazy estimate is it?) so I expect nVidia to warrant a £350 minimum price tag on the new 9800GX2...

As for pricing on the 9800GTX... if it outdoes the ATi HD3870 X2 then it'll be priced slightly higher... If it outdoes it by a large margin, then expect £300 minimum.

BUT... If nVidia have a beast up their sleeve in the 9800GTX, with some 192 SP's, 1GB DDR4 & Rediculously fast Shader clocks, what's to stop nVidia going the 8800GTX route again and asking £400 a card... again.

Bottom line is.... The 9600GT is a great card. The 9 series is off to a perfect start, since nVidia's mid-range card is performing as good as ATi's High-end Single GPU solutions - 3850/3870 being their high end)
nVidia's not going to release a failure this time around. Ignore all the spec rumours and wait for something official. I'm sure ATi will have some fudged spec figures waiting to go to press as soon as the GTX specs see the light of day....

192 SP's would be nice though wouldnt it :)  :)  :) 

Crysis needs them.
February 26, 2008 12:27:24 AM

I will have a guess :D 

I would say performance in the popular game Crysis will be...

9800gx2 = 2 x 8800gtx sli performance...

9800gtx = 2 x 8800gt sli performance...

Optimistic I know, but thats how I think they will perform in Crysis (game they will judge the cards a failure or not on)
February 26, 2008 12:37:12 AM

Expect more from the 9800GX2.. remember the G92 performs excellently at 256bit bus, so if this new generation is 386bit or 512bit then the 9800GX2 should fly above 8800GTX SLi performance.

As for the GTX... 8800GT SLi performance sounds feasible... but I'd hope for more... since 2 x 8800GT's will cost you under £300 if you shop around... but so will a 3870 X2, but for even less.... so I dont expect nVidia's flagship product to arrive that cannot outdo ATi's top end card and it's certainly gotta outpace a 8800GT configuration.

2 X 9800GTX's in SLi.... (if they scale like the 9600's) = Crysis @ 1680 X 1050 4xAA 16xAF @ High settings = +40fps

I'd hope so anyway
February 26, 2008 12:41:33 AM

What gives no HDMI, doesn't the GX2 have it?
February 26, 2008 12:43:43 AM

I agree with the first conclusion, but not the second. 2 GT's should be far more powerful.
February 26, 2008 12:45:14 AM

I think all the new 9 series offer HDMI, through a dongle like ATis HD series, or actually on the cards as standard. Its time manufacturers moved along with the times really.

HDMI, TV-Out, DVD & D-Sub on same bracket if possible!

And what about manufacturers advertising their cards as LOW PROFILE without supplying the necessary brackets??

Stupidity
February 26, 2008 12:50:19 AM

starcraftfanatic said:
I agree with the first conclusion, but not the second. 2 GT's should be far more powerful.


Check this rather long link >>

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/charts/vga-charts/overall...

Going on the previous generation, a single 8800GTX outdoes the 7900GTX SLi by a very small margin. So dos1986 may be right on the mark there.. except.... we're comparing 8800GT SLi performance here.... NOT 8800GTX SLi performance.

So Im guessing 9800GTXs are going to perform slightly better than 8800GTXs in SLi.

Anyone willing to put a £10 wager on it :) 
February 26, 2008 1:22:14 AM

The 9600GT is a G94 based card. The 9800GTX is a G92.

What if it they dont give it the same texture compressions/optimizations?

February 26, 2008 1:24:46 AM

We dont know for sure if the GTX will be G92. Its still at least a month off and nothing official about its specs has been released by nvidia... all we can be sure about so far is that it'll be called 9800GTX and its a graphics card.
February 26, 2008 8:03:01 AM

1793107,22,308009 said:

I also think the GTX will be much better than the link said.

Nvidia needs a reason to sell 3way SLI and if GX2 SLI (quad) is better than 3 GTX there is no point in 3way SLI on their new 790i chipset.

Everybody is always bragging about the AIT X2 but lets compare and it doesn't seem that "phenomenal" :lol: 
Ok it's cheaper and as fast as the current single gpu Nvidia.

That fine if you want to pay less now that someone who bought the nvidia card a year ago for the same performance.

But imo this means if you want to pay the improved nvidia cards will beat the ATI X2 by the same scale as the price will be higher. It's usualy just economics... but for the very top performance your increase in price will be much higher than the performance increase because poeple who can afford it and want it will pay anything.
February 26, 2008 8:48:42 AM

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