Help Clie PEG-TJ27

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My wife bought me a present of the new CLIE PEG27 to replace my ageing
SJ33, but incredibly there are no included apps for document view, sheet
view or video play - the thing is pretty useless :-(
What's worse is that the included apps in the old SJ33 (word to go,
sheet to go and Gmovie) crash the PEG27 and don't work. Also other games
and apps I used don't work correctly either.
I know it is a new processor (ARM) and operating sys (OS5) but should
there not be some compatability at least? Is it really the case that
Sony are selling stuff which is less capable than the predecesors - am I
missing something important?

Anyone have any good advice and/or apps to offer - before I pack it up
send it back and just use the old one?

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On 2004-05-29, Nic <rumpoleX@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 2004-05-29, Paul Frindle <paul@pfrindle.free-online.co.uk> wrote:
>> My wife bought me a present of the new CLIE PEG27 to replace my ageing
>> SJ33, but incredibly there are no included apps for document view, sheet
>> view or video play - the thing is pretty useless :-(
>> What's worse is that the included apps in the old SJ33 (word to go,
>> sheet to go and Gmovie) crash the PEG27 and don't work. Also other games
>> and apps I used don't work correctly either.
>> I know it is a new processor (ARM) and operating sys (OS5) but should
>> there not be some compatability at least? Is it really the case that
>> Sony are selling stuff which is less capable than the predecesors - am I
>> missing something important?
>>
>> Anyone have any good advice and/or apps to offer - before I pack it up
>> send it back and just use the old one?
>
>
>
> SJ33 uses Motorola Processor and OS version 4.1
> TJ27 uses the MUCH more powerful ARM processor (ie not Motorola) and OS 5.
>
> The apps included with sj33 were for os 4.1 and motorola processors.
> You will have to get versions that work with os 5 (ARM processors)
>
> I recommend you stick with TJ27. It's a vastly superior machine and
> teething problems in transition to the TJ will pass. Unless you like to play
> mp3's a lot. In that case TJ37 may be better - or even a zire
>

I'm referring to zire 72 here

> Select your model here for migration tool for TJ27 and driver/system
> updates:
> http://ciscdb.sel.sony.com/perl/select-clie.pl
>
> From a review of TJ27:
> http://www.infosyncworld.com/reviews/n/4933.html
>
> Sony have chosen to run the TJ27 on a Motorola 200 MHz i.MXL processor,
> backed by 32 MB of RAM,
> of which 23 MB are available to the user. An 800 mAh Lithium Ion Polymer
> battery powers the unit,
> which although not replaceable gave what seemed to be better performance
> than its more powerful
> brother, and we got approximately a working week from the TJ27 with moderate
> usage. Regarding the
> processor, it is exceptionally odd that Sony's low-end PDA runs a nominally
> faster processor than its flagship.
>
> tj37 review
> http://www.infosyncworld.com/reviews/n/4977.html
>


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NiceNeo.

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On 2004-05-29, Paul Frindle <paul@pfrindle.free-online.co.uk> wrote:
> Guy's thanks for this advice. I have managed to get the PIM copied over
> by tediously moving files one by one from a Memory stick back-up of the
> old device.
>
> However if I want to view any text docs (even simple .txt files), open a
> simple spread sheet, play video clips, or view any pictures (other than
> those taken by the internal camera), are you saying I have to buy the
> S/W! Even the included agenda manager is in fact a limited trial! All
> these basic apps came in the box with the SJ30 - surely this one's
> useless without them? Can't even read a MS notepad document at the
> moment :-(


Look for a freeware program called VFSi on freewarepalm.com
Load it and the plugins for bmp, jpg.
It can view jpgs and bmp on the memory stick and can read/write/edit text files
to/on the memory stick. Clie should have s/w that you can use to import jpg
into picturegear format.

Also there are tools to convert text to pdb doc.

I think sony's taken the route of giving more hardware through sacrificing
included s/w bundle.

>
> I have deliberately avoided pocket PCs PDAs for years as I resented MS
> simply taking over and controling ALL computing platforms, Palm were
> first to develope this platform so far and deserve the business. However
> the writing is on the wall for Palm based products if this lack of basic
> interoperability is not supplied with the devices.
>
> I think it's going back - what a pity for such an otherwise great
> device! How sad.
>
> NiceNeo wrote:
>>
>> On 2004-05-29, Nic <rumpoleX@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > On 2004-05-29, Paul Frindle <paul@pfrindle.free-online.co.uk> wrote:
>> >> My wife bought me a present of the new CLIE PEG27 to replace my ageing
>> >> SJ33, but incredibly there are no included apps for document view, sheet
>> >> view or video play - the thing is pretty useless :-(
>> >> What's worse is that the included apps in the old SJ33 (word to go,
>> >> sheet to go and Gmovie) crash the PEG27 and don't work. Also other games
>> >> and apps I used don't work correctly either.
>> >> I know it is a new processor (ARM) and operating sys (OS5) but should
>> >> there not be some compatability at least? Is it really the case that
>> >> Sony are selling stuff which is less capable than the predecesors - am I
>> >> missing something important?
>> >>
>> >> Anyone have any good advice and/or apps to offer - before I pack it up
>> >> send it back and just use the old one?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > SJ33 uses Motorola Processor and OS version 4.1
>> > TJ27 uses the MUCH more powerful ARM processor (ie not Motorola) and OS 5.
>> >
>> > The apps included with sj33 were for os 4.1 and motorola processors.
>> > You will have to get versions that work with os 5 (ARM processors)
>> >
>> > I recommend you stick with TJ27. It's a vastly superior machine and
>> > teething problems in transition to the TJ will pass. Unless you like to play
>> > mp3's a lot. In that case TJ37 may be better - or even a zire
>> >
>>
>> I'm referring to zire 72 here
>>
>> > Select your model here for migration tool for TJ27 and driver/system
>> > updates:
>> > http://ciscdb.sel.sony.com/perl/select-clie.pl
>> >
>> > From a review of TJ27:
>> > http://www.infosyncworld.com/reviews/n/4933.html
>> >
>> > Sony have chosen to run the TJ27 on a Motorola 200 MHz i.MXL processor,
>> > backed by 32 MB of RAM,
>> > of which 23 MB are available to the user. An 800 mAh Lithium Ion Polymer
>> > battery powers the unit,
>> > which although not replaceable gave what seemed to be better performance
>> > than its more powerful
>> > brother, and we got approximately a working week from the TJ27 with moderate
>> > usage. Regarding the
>> > processor, it is exceptionally odd that Sony's low-end PDA runs a nominally
>> > faster processor than its flagship.
>> >
>> > tj37 review
>> > http://www.infosyncworld.com/reviews/n/4977.html
>> >
>>
>> --
>>
>> NiceNeo.


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NiceNeo.

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On 2004-05-30, Paul Frindle <paul@pfrindle.free-online.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> NiceNeo wrote:
>>
>
>>
>> Look for a freeware program called VFSi on freewarepalm.com
>> Load it and the plugins for bmp, jpg.
>> It can view jpgs and bmp on the memory stick and can read/write/edit text files
>> to/on the memory stick. Clie should have s/w that you can use to import jpg
>> into picturegear format.
>
> Ok thanks for this. I have managed to get the version of Acidimage to
> work on the new Clie PEG27 and it's almost fine in that it will display
> low res images only?
>
> I have also got a DOC reader office type prog I Had with the old CLie
> but didn't use much. It kind of works but the zoom function doesn't work
> correctly and the text is therefore too big. Hmm...
>
> I wonder - is it possible to regress to Palm OS 4 perhaps? Or does this
> not support the newer ARM processor?


No. ARM processor PDAs cannot be "regressed" to Palm OS 4.
Even if there was a Palm OS 4 for ARM the point may be moot as,
if I recall correctly, the TJ27 doesn't have Flash ROM.

As for the TJ27, you can always buy an aftermarket product for $30
like Wordsmith - http://www.bluenomad.com/ws/prod_w [...] nload.html

or Document to Go $30 and up - http://www.dataviz.com/products/documentstogo/
(which, as you know, is no longer bundled)

>>
>> Also there are tools to convert text to pdb doc.
>>
>> I think sony's taken the route of giving more hardware through sacrificing
>> included s/w bundle.
>>
>
> Yes that would seem to be the case. This is a very bad move for them
> because it's the perception of interoperability problems with windows
> which is the main turn off for new users. I have actually heard this
> being discussed in a local shop, where the salesman was telling a
> customer to buy Pocket PC because the Palm doesn't interchange with
> windows. I thought he was lying cos i could do this easily with my SJ30
> - but now of course I realise why he was saying it :-(

Perception wise you are right. Although once you understand you are getting
better hardware for less, and aftermarket s/w will bring it to the level
of ease of use (for $30) - then it's not so bad. In this way people who
don't need document s/w don't have to pay for it via the built in price of
the device. They get better hardware instead.


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Nic.

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On 2004-05-31, Paul Frindle <paul@pfrindle.free-online.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> Nic wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Yes that would seem to be the case. This is a very bad move for them
>> > because it's the perception of interoperability problems with windows
>> > which is the main turn off for new users. I have actually heard this
>> > being discussed in a local shop, where the salesman was telling a
>> > customer to buy Pocket PC because the Palm doesn't interchange with
>> > windows. I thought he was lying cos i could do this easily with my SJ30
>> > - but now of course I realise why he was saying it :-(
>>
>> Perception wise you are right. Although once you understand you are getting
>> better hardware for less, and aftermarket s/w will bring it to the level
>> of ease of use (for $30) - then it's not so bad. In this way people who
>> don't need document s/w don't have to pay for it via the built in price of
>> the device. They get better hardware instead.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Nic.
>
> Yes I see your point - although obviously my wife didn't as she had
> assumed that buying me a newer one (for a similar price to the original
> one) would come with similar basic apps (I mean who doesn't need to view
> text!! Who needs a 200MHz processor to do an address list and
> organiser?!). Or at least I could use the apps we had already from the
> original Clie SJ30 or those apps I have previously bought.
>
> I am in fact a professsional computer user employed by Sony(!) to
> develop professional music S/W plug-ins and I didn't know this either -
> how in hell is anyone else going to realise they are being 'done a
> favour' by being sold cheap H/W bereft of included S/W apps? They'll
> just buy pocket PC won't they? - a pity IMVHO.
>
> Attempting to differentiate H/W products at this level by the bundled
> S/W, (the information of which is buried deep within a massive web site)
> is plain crazy. Selling the unit and letting the buyer find out after
> the event is plain dishonest - but unfortunately typical of the kind of
> thing we are beginning to expect from today's marketing ethics. I have
> wasted literally hours of my valuable time finding this out and it would
> have been worth $100's to have not needed to bother.
>
> I have a previous version of Quick office that now almost works,
> although annoyingly the fonts and Zoom are broken making viewing a sheet
> very difficult. Some advice from anyone on how to fix this would help
> out a lot :-) However my expectation is that the answer will inevitably
> be - to purchase new S/W or an upgrade - or go to the warez groups and
> rip it off (something that leaves a bad taste for a S/W designer)?
>
> Ultimately the TJ27 will go back cos as I sit here (after very many
> hours of wasted effort) the old SJ30 is actually still very much more
> useful - and on principle I feel more friendly towards it because I
> didn't feel ripped off when I bought that one :-(
>
> A couple of years ago anyone who asked me which platform PDA to buy, my
> answer was immediately - Palm. Now I would advise PPC :-(



You are quite correct. I personally think that all PDA manufacturers
should clearly state on the box what's included - especially
what software is included. That way the potential customer can
clearly see what he/she is getting for their money. In this way
the customer can decide what PDA is best for their own needs.


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Nic <rumpoleX@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<slrncbmhtj.edm.rumpoleX@localhost.localdomain>...

>
> No. ARM processor PDAs cannot be "regressed" to Palm OS 4.
> Even if there was a Palm OS 4 for ARM the point may be moot as,
> if I recall correctly, the TJ27 doesn't have Flash ROM.
>

Palm OS 5 *is* Palm OS 4, optimized to run on ARM processors. Not much
has change between the two versions, except OS 5 supports newer ARM
processors. (ironically, it runs 90% of Palm program under OS 4
emulation! What's the use in putting in an ARM processor in the first
place?

It's kind of like Windows XP is really Windows NT, but designed with a
cutesey interface and new hardware support so unexpected naive buyers
will think it's brand new software when it isn't.