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is my cpu Intel e6320 bottlenecking my 8800gts?

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March 21, 2008 10:27:06 PM

my specs are :

intel e6320 @ 1.86mhz
2gb ram at 800mhz
geforce 8800 gts 320mb bfg oc2
500gb wd caviar
gigabyte p35 motherboard.

I feel that my pc isnt giving me the performance I anticipated. my cpu is overclocket to 2.240ghz, but still I think my pc is underperforming. Im thinking of upgrading to an e6550. but, the question still stands, is my cpu bottlenecking my system?
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March 21, 2008 10:42:11 PM

gallionfc said:
my specs are :

intel e6320 @ 1.86mhz
2gb ram at 800mhz
geforce 8800 gts 320mb bfg oc2
500gb wd caviar
gigabyte p35 motherboard.

I feel that my pc isnt giving me the performance I anticipated. my cpu is overclocket to 2.240ghz, but still I think my pc is underperforming. Im thinking of upgrading to an e6550. but, the question still stands, is my cpu bottlenecking my system?


More than likely not. Depending on what resolution you play at its probably the GPU being a bottleneck. Only true way to have the CPU be a bottleneck nowadways is if you SLI/CF a 9800GX2/3870X2. Then the CPU starts to bottleneck they system. But right now you are fine.

But whats making you think this?
March 22, 2008 9:30:33 AM

because I downgraded from an intel e6750, and I can definitely see the performance difference.
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March 22, 2008 10:18:30 AM

gallionfc said:
because I downgraded from an intel e6750, and I can definitely see the performance difference.


If i remember correctly the E6300 is about equal to a Pentium D 3400 (945), would you use a Pentium D to game? Hell no!

OVERCLOCK IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And.... what the hell were you smoking when you downgraded your cpu?
March 22, 2008 11:05:39 AM

I needed the money... what if I upgrade to an e6550, will that make a difference? I mean a substantial one?
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March 22, 2008 11:51:24 AM

Of course it will make a difference.
Speed costs money, how fast do you want to go?
Sounds like you need a job instead of a CPU.
March 22, 2008 12:13:12 PM

intel e6320 @ 1.86mhz on a GA P35 MB... HUH! Why no OC? That chip should OC well past the point of any cpu bottlenecking.
March 22, 2008 12:39:39 PM

It really depends on the resolution you're using.. If youre above 1280x1024 then the Cpu probably is NOT limiting your performance at 2.2 Ghz. At least not by any margin you would likely notice
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March 22, 2008 1:56:17 PM

OC! That's the whole reason to buy Intel! (plus the fact they are faster clock for clock :lol:  )

edit: That 400MHz OC you did is nothing. You should be able to push that thing to 3GHz+ which would be way beyond any bottlenecking. If you need any help read the overclocking guide in the OC section and then ask us any further questions.
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March 22, 2008 10:44:36 PM

Craxbax said:
intel e6320 @ 1.86mhz on a GA P35 MB... HUH! Why no OC? That chip should OC well past the point of any cpu bottlenecking.


This is like a hot blond cpu just waiting for you, WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR? DO IT!!!!!!!!!!

That CPU could nip the heels of the higher end 8 series.
March 22, 2008 11:52:38 PM

The 6320 and the 6550 are both great overclocking CPUs. The difference between them is that you already have the 6320. The only thing that should be stopping you is if you are using the stock HSF. If that is true, then spend your money there. Seriously, just take the CPU "at least" to 400 x 8: 3.2 GHz clock with 1600 MHz FSB shouldn't bottleneck anything.
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March 23, 2008 3:35:55 AM

Darkness Flame said:
The 6320 and the 6550 are both great overclocking CPUs. The difference between them is that you already have the 6320. The only thing that should be stopping you is if you are using the stock HSF. If that is true, then spend your money there. Seriously, just take the CPU "at least" to 400 x 8: 3.2 GHz clock with 1600 MHz FSB shouldn't bottleneck anything.


Ummmm the max multi is 7 for that CPU - 7x400 -> 2800. requiring 800mhz memory minimum
March 23, 2008 3:52:17 AM

You can get a q6600 for $199 if you live by a microcenter.
March 23, 2008 3:55:02 AM

http://microcenter.com/

And I have noticed that the cpu under 3.2Ghz will bottleneck that gpu. I have one similar I know. I noticed you are talking about the 320Mb but, it is almost the same as mine "almost".
March 23, 2008 11:20:50 AM

truehighroller - is it any cpu your referring to or this one in particular? (e6320)
March 24, 2008 12:12:46 AM

I will say this if I leave my q6600 below 3.2Ghz it will bottleneck mine.
March 24, 2008 12:50:38 AM

I agree, There should be no need for worrying about a "bottleneck", which is not a really good term to use anyway, but thats another matter. If you overclock even to just 2.6Ghz or around that, I see no way that there would be a problem. The GTS 320 is a PCIe 1.x card.
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March 24, 2008 12:51:06 AM

What is your average cpu utilization when you play your favorite game? If it is <65%, the cpu is not much of an issue. If it is >85%, then do something to increase cpu power.

For most games, the vga card is the most important. If your game is FSX, then the cpu is most important.

If you had $100, $200, or $300 to spend on an upgrade, where would it be best spent?

Don't forget the possibility that 2gb might not be enough.

March 24, 2008 10:31:15 AM

I can easilly do some benches and show you. Hell you can probably look through the futuremark forums and find a hit pretty fast to without wasting my precious time proving you flamers wrong. P.S. my 2.0 card was on a 1.0 motherboard when I noticed the bottleneck effect from my cpu... there for the 2.0 didn't really play into affect in that situation.
March 24, 2008 10:49:07 AM

True, what res do you play at? If its under 16x10 then youll see a slight "bottleneck" from your cpu
March 24, 2008 1:02:42 PM

Other than 3DMark, can you post some benchies w/ocing being done? Id like to see them, they usually dont run benches with the cpu oceed , usually its only the card
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March 24, 2008 1:19:44 PM

truehighroller said:
I will say this if I leave my q6600 below 3.2Ghz it will bottleneck mine.


Huh. Shouldn't bottleneck at higher resolutions. Yes it will affect your lower FPS but not to a major point. I play Crysis with my Q6600 @ 3GHz and have most everything set to Very high, with a few at high and shadows at medium. This at 1280x1024 and I am able to play it like its a normal game. Of course the new ATI Cat 8.3 boosted Vista Crysis FPS and SP1 was released, which speed things up a bit, and Crysis patch 1.2.

But a Q6600 being a bottleneck when at 3GHz is kinda strange.

JAYDEEJOHN said:
Other than 3DMark, can you post some benchies w/ocing being done? Id like to see them, they usually dont run benches with the cpu oceed , usually its only the card


I agree. Most of the time at higher resolutions than 12x10 the GPU is the main bottleneck. Only thing I see is if you OC the CPU your average FPS will go up a bit due to your low end FPS being a bit higher.
March 24, 2008 1:30:07 PM

Well you know what really when I think about it, I am talking about results from 3dmark06 showing bottleneck and it runs at default whatever setting it is, maybe that is why I see the bottleneck like you two are saying because it is below the 1280 x 1074 setting. I can do some benchies though when I get home today just say do this and I will.
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March 24, 2008 1:35:32 PM

truehighroller said:
Well you know what really when I think about it, I am talking about results from 3dmark06 showing bottleneck and it runs at default whatever setting it is, maybe that is why I see the bottleneck like you two are saying because it is below the 1280 x 1074 setting. I can do some benchies though when I get home today just say do this and I will.


Please do. 3DMark doesn't show w true bottleneck as it runs a seperate test for the CPU and for the GPU. SO when you OC your CPU it seems like it gets better, which the score does. Like when I set my Q6600 to run at 3GHz with no speedstep and OC'ed my GPU I got a nice score over 12k and for my GPU is not that bad.

But in games the CPU will not bottleneck you as much as the GPU. I have to try TF2 @ 10x7 res and see what my CPU can do. Right now @ 12x10 I get 150-200 FPS average.
March 24, 2008 2:45:56 PM

I will bench it at 2.4 and 2.8 and 3.2 and 3.6 tonight. With my card clocked at the same settings everytime.
March 24, 2008 8:33:07 PM

im currently running this proc ar 2.5ghz, but some of you guessed it right that im using stock hs and cooler, basically overclocking on air. and I dont want to change the voltage alot either...

heres another though, maybe its the crap 400watt psu im using that came with my case... can that be insufficient for the components? more specifically the gpu? but then, how does it work in the first place?
March 24, 2008 8:40:34 PM

Underpowering makes your components work harder with no appreciable gains, heats them up as well. Get a better psu
March 24, 2008 8:56:08 PM

Ok here we go, I have benched at all the said settings plus one more special one which is as high as I can go right now because my bios is still a rookie one and needs to be tweaked more. I will post that after the said ones.
I have here 2.4Ghz Video card @ 802/1905/1052 and my memory set to 1066~ 5,5,5,15,
and the 3dmark link if you want them I will supply at end of pics for you.

I have here 2.8Ghz Video card @ 802/1905/1052 and my memory set to 1066~ 5,5,5,15,


I have here 3.2Ghz Video card @ 802/1905/1052 and my memory set to 1066~ 5,5,5,15,


I have here 3.6Ghz Video card @ 802/1905/1052 and my memory set to 1066~ 5,5,5,15,



3DMark06 links,
2.4 = http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=5917109
2.8 = http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=5917433
3.2 = http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=5917669
3.6 = http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=5917927

Please anaylize,

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March 24, 2008 8:56:25 PM

Since you are not experiencing any failures, your PSU is probably ok. What psu do you have? If you don't know, read off of the attached spec label, particularly how many amps each +12v rail can deliver, and how many watts/amps are directed to the 12v rails.

Another random thought: If performance seems to have degraded, could you have an infestation of spyware, or other unwanted tasks?
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March 24, 2008 9:07:39 PM

Conclusion: Faster CPU = more 3dmark06 score.

If that is your objective, get a fast cpu and overclock it.

If you want better FPS in a particular game, run the first and last configurations while playing that game and see how much difference there is.
March 24, 2008 9:57:44 PM

Flamer,, nice try look at the "fps" not the cpu score num nut.... That was a good try though for real very nice try. Check the 3dmark06 links and check the details they show the fps for the "video test" they have nothing to do with the "cpu" portion of the test and it is obvious that the cpu does in fact bottleneck the gpu.
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March 25, 2008 8:07:50 AM

gallionfc, can you post the four fps scores and the SM 2.0 and 3.0 results from 3D Mark 06 (default settings)? It'll provide something to work with. You've got a GTS320, so you can't compare to GTS512 results truehighroller has posted, but you can see the performance gains from the increase in CPU speed.

With your set 2.5GHz up, you should be getting something like this:
SM 2.0 and 3.0 3300 to 3800

Graphics Test
1 - Return to Proxycon 28 to 32 FPS
2 - Firefly Forest 28 to 32 FPS

HDR Tests
1 - Canyon Flight (SM 3.0) 30 to 34 FPS
2 - Deep Freeze (SM 3.0) 37 to 41 FPS

Consider maximums for the GTS320 as SM 2.0 = 4300+ and SM 3.0 = 4500+

See how your actual results compare.
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March 25, 2008 11:28:18 PM

truehighroller said:
Ok here we go, I have benched at all the said settings plus one more special one which is as high as I can go right now because my bios is still a rookie one and needs to be tweaked more. I will post that after the said ones.
I have here 2.4Ghz Video card @ 802/1905/1052 and my memory set to 1066~ 5,5,5,15,
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z168/truehighroller1/24.jpg and the 3dmark link if you want them I will supply at end of pics for you.

I have here 2.8Ghz Video card @ 802/1905/1052 and my memory set to 1066~ 5,5,5,15,
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z168/truehighroller1/28.jpg

I have here 3.2Ghz Video card @ 802/1905/1052 and my memory set to 1066~ 5,5,5,15,
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z168/truehighroller1/32.jpg

I have here 3.6Ghz Video card @ 802/1905/1052 and my memory set to 1066~ 5,5,5,15,
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z168/truehighroller1/36.jpg


3DMark06 links,
2.4 = http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=5917109
2.8 = http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=5917433
3.2 = http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=5917669
3.6 = http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=5917927

Please anaylize,


The only problem is that 3DMark doesn't scale well with what a CPU can or cannot do. If you look at each games FPS they stay relatively the same except when you "Uber" clock your CPU it gives a nice boost to the lower FPS.

Best way to see is by taking your CPU at stock speed and run a game and see what the low, mid, high and average FPS's were at a set resolution. Then OC it and see the difference. The biggest difference will be in the low FPS where the CPU effects the game more. But trust me you are not having your Q6600 bottleneck your system. Its just that the GPU can only do so much and the CPU can only do what its given like Physics, ai and so on.
March 25, 2008 11:46:58 PM

i suggets you should just change your crappy vide card 8800gts 320 mb is the worst card ever it would be great to buy 8800gts 512mb new version or if budget is on concern buy little 8800gt.

I also suggst you to OC your CPU with that being said you can reach up to 3.0 ghz (333 fsb with a mulitpier of 9) and the performance you are looking for would not be a problem anymore.

dont upgrade your CPU just yur VC
March 26, 2008 12:44:18 AM

geofelt said:
Since you are not experiencing any failures, your PSU is probably ok. What psu do you have? If you don't know, read off of the attached spec label, particularly how many amps each +12v rail can deliver, and how many watts/amps are directed to the 12v rails.

Another random thought: If performance seems to have degraded, could you have an infestation of spyware, or other unwanted tasks?

I wouldnt want to run my rig on a 400watt psu, period, even a pcpcooling. Have anyone ever seen a psu thats good that comes with their box? 400watts is low/barely doable for most rigs running a G8xxx series, ler alone one that "came with the case"
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March 26, 2008 1:12:10 AM

@OP: OC!!!!!!!!!!
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March 26, 2008 1:33:45 AM

gallionfc said:
because I downgraded from an intel e6750, and I can definitely see the performance difference.
Why did you give up the e6750?
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March 26, 2008 2:05:52 AM

JAYDEEJOHN said:
I wouldnt want to run my rig on a 400watt psu, period, even a pcpcooling. Have anyone ever seen a psu thats good that comes with their box? 400watts is low/barely doable for most rigs running a G8xxx series, ler alone one that "came with the case"


Agreed. Although my old Xaser III case came with a Thermaltake toughpower(or is it truepower?) 420watt that lasted me even with a P4EE 3.4GHz, 7 fans, 2 HDDs, DVD burner and a X850XT without fail for roughly 5 years. I just replaced it with a Rosewill 550w just cuz it wasn't enough to run my current rig OC'ed. So some that come with the case are fine but with todays video cards you need a good quality 2-4 rail 600+ PSU.

rwayne said:
Why did you give up the e6750?


I think he said he needed some money or something.
March 26, 2008 9:20:10 AM

geofelt said:
What is your average cpu utilization when you play your favorite game? If it is <65%, the cpu is not much of an issue. If it is >85%, then do something to increase cpu power.


Geofelt, what software do you use to know the cpu utilization when playing game? I know Speedfan can show cpu utilization on desktop but when we gaming and alt tab ing back to desktop, isn't the cpu utilization will not utilize at full? I mean unless it can be show by some chart like temperatures in speedfan section. Thx.
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March 26, 2008 12:13:13 PM

liswara said:
Geofelt, what software do you use to know the cpu utilization when playing game? I know Speedfan can show cpu utilization on desktop but when we gaming and alt tab ing back to desktop, isn't the cpu utilization will not utilize at full? I mean unless it can be show by some chart like temperatures in speedfan section. Thx.


Easiest way is having dual monitors and have a monitor like task manager on the other screen while gaming. Or you can be like me and have a Logitech G15 Gaming keyboard that has a Performance Monitor that links up with the taskmanager and show CPU and Memory usage. And with my Q6600 it even has little bars for each CPU showing how much is being used total across all 4 cores.

I think the most I have seen my CPU being used in a game is about 28-35% in both Crysis and TF2/HL2.
March 27, 2008 6:05:20 AM

jimmysmitty said:
Easiest way is having dual monitors and have a monitor like task manager on the other screen while gaming. Or you can be like me and have a Logitech G15 Gaming keyboard that has a Performance Monitor that links up with the taskmanager and show CPU and Memory usage. And with my Q6600 it even has little bars for each CPU showing how much is being used total across all 4 cores.

I think the most I have seen my CPU being used in a game is about 28-35% in both Crysis and TF2/HL2.


Thanks for the info Jimmy S. Unfortunately I don't have dual monitor or G15 key :( 
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