Im trying to overclock my amd athlon 3800 x2. I cant get it go past 220 as i would need to increase the voltage but every time i do the computer wont boot right and defaults to lower settings. i think im doing everything right but im new at this, can anyone please help it would very very much appreciated. im so frustrated and i have working on this for 2 days now.
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WOWOW 1.7 is waaaaay too high for sure 1.55 MAX dude wow thts sick
lol um possibly your ram latency's if youve messed with em make sure they are set correctly to defualt settings or even loosen them some memory doesnt boot at advertised settings,....
lol um possibly your ram latency's if youve messed with em make sure they are set correctly to defualt settings or even loosen them some memory doesnt boot at advertised settings,....
yes its disabled, it doesent make sense because when i first installed my cpu cooler i set it 2.6 at 2.33 volt i think and it was stable even ran prime95 for an hour then when i tryed to bump up to 2.7 i had to reset my bios and restart due to crash. ever since then i cant seem to overclock very far. but it varys from time to time how high it wants to go. yesterday i had it 3.4 with 1.3 v and it was stable then again i tryed to turn it up and it got all screwed up.
1.7 is to high? cpuz says it runs at 1.7 stock settings
also just so its known i know heat isnt the issue as my temps are around 25 to 30.
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O MAN maybe thats whats wrong i just checked it at stock and its 1.2 not 1.7 like i thought so my voltage might just be to high
also just so its known i know heat isnt the issue as my temps are around 25 to 30.
EDIT
O MAN maybe thats whats wrong i just checked it at stock and its 1.2 not 1.7 like i thought so my voltage might just be to high
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Holy xx i didn c that volt here http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Reviews/amd64-3800dc/11.html they overclock this 3800x2 till 2.4
Alright, so guys any help would be appreciated i know i sound like an idiot but im trying to learn as i really love computers but i just dont know much about them yet.
so i set my cpu up just like the one in the above link and it says boot failure so if start it anyways it says im running at 210 fsb with a multiplier of 8 which makes it 1680 mhz.
and like i said earlyer i had more success when i was just playing with it i had it 2.6 with a multiplyer of 10 so 2600mhz. i think there is something else wrong or im doing ti wrong.
the steps i am taking are from stock i set my mother board to a ht multiplier of 4 and my ram 533 then i proceed to change the fsb to 210 and it boots fine i continue in that manor untill i get to 215 and it boots find from the bios screen into windows but when i restart it to enter back into bios it freezes. i tryed uping the voltage little by little but with little results. increasing the voltage doesent seem to help. i dont know if im not giving it ehough but i bmped it up way high and it still doesent help.
so anyways, i know this cant be this hard i think there is something wrong with the hardware or the software because everyone seems to be able to get it alot high that 2.2ghz and my teps are around 25c so heat isnt the issue. im so angry that i cant figure this out i want to throw my computer out the window and run over it with my car. either that or im a total moron. most likely the latter of the two.
im sorry to post so many times. ill quit being a pest
so i set my cpu up just like the one in the above link and it says boot failure so if start it anyways it says im running at 210 fsb with a multiplier of 8 which makes it 1680 mhz.
and like i said earlyer i had more success when i was just playing with it i had it 2.6 with a multiplyer of 10 so 2600mhz. i think there is something else wrong or im doing ti wrong.
the steps i am taking are from stock i set my mother board to a ht multiplier of 4 and my ram 533 then i proceed to change the fsb to 210 and it boots fine i continue in that manor untill i get to 215 and it boots find from the bios screen into windows but when i restart it to enter back into bios it freezes. i tryed uping the voltage little by little but with little results. increasing the voltage doesent seem to help. i dont know if im not giving it ehough but i bmped it up way high and it still doesent help.
so anyways, i know this cant be this hard i think there is something wrong with the hardware or the software because everyone seems to be able to get it alot high that 2.2ghz and my teps are around 25c so heat isnt the issue. im so angry that i cant figure this out i want to throw my computer out the window and run over it with my car. either that or im a total moron. most likely the latter of the two.
im sorry to post so many times. ill quit being a pest
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I had the same cpu AM2 socket. My HTT could never go about 1000mhz, but i could drop my HTT mult to X3 or X4. I could boot and run at 2.7 just for benchmarking@ 1.4Vcore, but I backed it down to 2.5ghz for almost 2 years. Remember to watch the memory multiplier and your memory latency too. The HTT shouldn't get too much over 1200mhz if at all. Also make sure Cool n' Quiet is turned off and the Bios overclocking setting if thats available.
I had a bad revision of my board which had some bad faults. MSI K9N 570 SLI PLAT. Rev 1.
I had a bad revision of my board which had some bad faults. MSI K9N 570 SLI PLAT. Rev 1.
LAWL http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LOL well the reason for drooping the multi is to allow to use higher FSB freq's which will allow you to either run your memory at higher speeds using a 1:1 divider still or give you some play with gettig each of your main components to your goal speeds.
for example lets say your target cpu speed http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/clock_rate is 2.7ghz or 2700mhz
lets also say that your cpu is a non black edition which means that the multi is upper locked-- or you can lower the multi but not raise the multi.
for this example lets say ur using and old school http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_school 3800+ with a defualt multi of 10x which is also its max multi (the default is ussually the highest you can have)
the cpu defaults at 2.0ghz or 2000mhz
which means since multi is 10x the stock FSB is 200 mhz
your memory's defualt setting will be 1:1-- ie.. w/e the FSB is which is 200mhz resalting in DDR400 speed.
So in order to reach 2.7ghz (2700mhz) you have to raise the FBS
Ill give two examples to conclude my reply
You could either go 270FBS x 10x Multi = 2700 MHz
if the memory stays at 1:1 it too will run at 270 mhz thusly resulting is DDR540.
If your memory cannot reach this speed this is where a divider comes into play to make things play nice.
the default ratio is 1:1 which is widely regarded as the best option if available. what you'd have to do is lower tht http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Through-hole_technology ratio the next step down in this type of system is usually 183/200 (memory spd/FBS) which gives you 247mhz resulting in DDR494... you would continue to decrease this ratio untill a suitable speed could be acheived and stable.
option 2: lowering the multi requires you to raise the FBS to reach the same 2.7ghz ie:. lower the multi to x9 which means youd need 300mhz FBS to reach your target 2700mhz.
you could lower you multi in order to push the FSB up some and still use a memory duvider to run your memory at stable speeds.
ie:. you decide to lower the multi to 9 and raise the FBS to 300mhz => but like above your looking for DDR500 or so. Your memory cant run 1:1 which would be 300mhz or DDR600 => so youd have to run a divider of 166/200 on the 300mhz FBS to give you memory speeds at 249mhz or DDR498 which is within your limits thus allowing you to run at 2.7ghz CPU 300FBS and DDR 500 or so.
example 3 and probably the best choice if the situation fits your components
lower the multi to 9x allowing you to push the FBS up to 300mhz and the best option is to keep a 1:1 ratio resulting in 300mhz ram speed or DDR600
-- ok with the scenarios and concepts out of the way lets get to your problem--
first off- your temps are fine actually dang good for your proc but what really matters is your load temps-- if they stay below higher 40's C then you have room to play.. im assuming your using stock air cooling which will give some room to play but not alot and a simple $20 cooler will certainly give you alot more room to play:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6835185125
used it myself, and for tht price and air cooling it powns
neway your proc is at 2.6 stock idk the multi off top but your going to see your limits at or around 3.0ghz each system is different and results are not guaranteed its and older 5200+ i think but 3.0 should be in your range nething above will require some careful tweaking... on stock cooling however.. im not sure.. 2.6ghz is near the upper range for tht cooler but like i said if your temps are low at load you may be fine.
your memory is def a good bran tho for sure and you should be able to squeeze some room out of those chips for sure but youll have to test and make sure. usually ddr2 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DDR2_SDRAM 800 sticks arent uncommon to reach 1066 but its not for sure. you lower your multi to push the FBS higher mainly and allows for highers memory speeds as well by increasing the FBS..
you may have to raise the cpu voltage to reach desirable speeds please be very cautious when doing so as this could damage your proc a higher voltage or vcore will also raise your temps.. you can ahve load temps as high as 60C but really 55C should be your limit.. and if your on stock cooling dont raise the voltage btu http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_thermal_unit by only 1 or 2 levels MAX like 1.425v max on stock
also keep in mind your mobo and as you raise the FBS your HT speed goes up. its stock at 2000mhz most mobos really dont like going over tht limit at all. so your HT multi is 1-5x(FBS) you may have to lower it depending on your FBS to be at or under 2000 mhz .. having a low HT doesnt effect much tho in my experience so having to settle for 1500 or 1200 or w/e HT isnt really taking a big hit. umm as far as your memory's latency settings, if you unsure of what your doing its best to leave them-- lower them will boost your performance, but can easilly lead to instabilty by just put them at w/e so id say leave to auto i dont have experience with those modules so i cant reccomend any timings for you.
just try things out and see how she goes, def know where your bios reset button is on your mobo in case your o/c settings are too higher and your comp wont boot.. and if things do boot up fine run it through a benmark or too sevral times or game for like an hour to see if things are stable... of course thts being lazy i mean youd really wanna have it run like prime 95 for 24 hours to ensure absolute stability
but Super Pi is my fave and an 8m run usually means ur good and a 32m run usually proves tht ur for sure good
any wierd anything or your temps go a lil high back it down a lil till you can be sure you are good to go and make sure to test your new o/c's
also be aware tht o/c while not nearly as dangerous as it once was can potentially kill your hardware.. and o/c'in by any margin potentially lowers the life span of your system.. but all in all you should be good this is only a big worry with extreme o/c's
as far as beating a C2D well its not impossible but itll be hard and the rest of hardware plays a big role unless you two have the same GFX card and similar mobo speeds C2D sad to say is just a much better proc in most ways but good luck
and as for o/c on your gpu-- dont bother-- max out o/c gives you like +5% FPS not worth it really but then again 8600's like to o/c or so i hear but neway even at best you get +10% not nothign to fry your card over thts for sure-- if you must try umm ATi Tool is pretty good and will find the GFX card max speeds for you.. just take the max and back it down 3-5% and you should be ok...
WOW neway sry for the long post-- i tried to help ya some hope it helps-- if i made ne mistakes, well im not the best or id be on tom's front page competing in france or something lol
for example lets say your target cpu speed http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/clock_rate is 2.7ghz or 2700mhz
lets also say that your cpu is a non black edition which means that the multi is upper locked-- or you can lower the multi but not raise the multi.
for this example lets say ur using and old school http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_school 3800+ with a defualt multi of 10x which is also its max multi (the default is ussually the highest you can have)
the cpu defaults at 2.0ghz or 2000mhz
which means since multi is 10x the stock FSB is 200 mhz
your memory's defualt setting will be 1:1-- ie.. w/e the FSB is which is 200mhz resalting in DDR400 speed.
So in order to reach 2.7ghz (2700mhz) you have to raise the FBS
Ill give two examples to conclude my reply
You could either go 270FBS x 10x Multi = 2700 MHz
if the memory stays at 1:1 it too will run at 270 mhz thusly resulting is DDR540.
If your memory cannot reach this speed this is where a divider comes into play to make things play nice.
the default ratio is 1:1 which is widely regarded as the best option if available. what you'd have to do is lower tht http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Through-hole_technology ratio the next step down in this type of system is usually 183/200 (memory spd/FBS) which gives you 247mhz resulting in DDR494... you would continue to decrease this ratio untill a suitable speed could be acheived and stable.
option 2: lowering the multi requires you to raise the FBS to reach the same 2.7ghz ie:. lower the multi to x9 which means youd need 300mhz FBS to reach your target 2700mhz.
you could lower you multi in order to push the FSB up some and still use a memory duvider to run your memory at stable speeds.
ie:. you decide to lower the multi to 9 and raise the FBS to 300mhz => but like above your looking for DDR500 or so. Your memory cant run 1:1 which would be 300mhz or DDR600 => so youd have to run a divider of 166/200 on the 300mhz FBS to give you memory speeds at 249mhz or DDR498 which is within your limits thus allowing you to run at 2.7ghz CPU 300FBS and DDR 500 or so.
example 3 and probably the best choice if the situation fits your components
lower the multi to 9x allowing you to push the FBS up to 300mhz and the best option is to keep a 1:1 ratio resulting in 300mhz ram speed or DDR600
-- ok with the scenarios and concepts out of the way lets get to your problem--
first off- your temps are fine actually dang good for your proc but what really matters is your load temps-- if they stay below higher 40's C then you have room to play.. im assuming your using stock air cooling which will give some room to play but not alot and a simple $20 cooler will certainly give you alot more room to play:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6835185125
used it myself, and for tht price and air cooling it powns
neway your proc is at 2.6 stock idk the multi off top but your going to see your limits at or around 3.0ghz each system is different and results are not guaranteed its and older 5200+ i think but 3.0 should be in your range nething above will require some careful tweaking... on stock cooling however.. im not sure.. 2.6ghz is near the upper range for tht cooler but like i said if your temps are low at load you may be fine.
your memory is def a good bran tho for sure and you should be able to squeeze some room out of those chips for sure but youll have to test and make sure. usually ddr2 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DDR2_SDRAM 800 sticks arent uncommon to reach 1066 but its not for sure. you lower your multi to push the FBS higher mainly and allows for highers memory speeds as well by increasing the FBS..
you may have to raise the cpu voltage to reach desirable speeds please be very cautious when doing so as this could damage your proc a higher voltage or vcore will also raise your temps.. you can ahve load temps as high as 60C but really 55C should be your limit.. and if your on stock cooling dont raise the voltage btu http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_thermal_unit by only 1 or 2 levels MAX like 1.425v max on stock
also keep in mind your mobo and as you raise the FBS your HT speed goes up. its stock at 2000mhz most mobos really dont like going over tht limit at all. so your HT multi is 1-5x(FBS) you may have to lower it depending on your FBS to be at or under 2000 mhz .. having a low HT doesnt effect much tho in my experience so having to settle for 1500 or 1200 or w/e HT isnt really taking a big hit. umm as far as your memory's latency settings, if you unsure of what your doing its best to leave them-- lower them will boost your performance, but can easilly lead to instabilty by just put them at w/e so id say leave to auto i dont have experience with those modules so i cant reccomend any timings for you.
just try things out and see how she goes, def know where your bios reset button is on your mobo in case your o/c settings are too higher and your comp wont boot.. and if things do boot up fine run it through a benmark or too sevral times or game for like an hour to see if things are stable... of course thts being lazy i mean youd really wanna have it run like prime 95 for 24 hours to ensure absolute stability
but Super Pi is my fave and an 8m run usually means ur good and a 32m run usually proves tht ur for sure good
any wierd anything or your temps go a lil high back it down a lil till you can be sure you are good to go and make sure to test your new o/c's
also be aware tht o/c while not nearly as dangerous as it once was can potentially kill your hardware.. and o/c'in by any margin potentially lowers the life span of your system.. but all in all you should be good this is only a big worry with extreme o/c's
as far as beating a C2D well its not impossible but itll be hard and the rest of hardware plays a big role unless you two have the same GFX card and similar mobo speeds C2D sad to say is just a much better proc in most ways but good luck
and as for o/c on your gpu-- dont bother-- max out o/c gives you like +5% FPS not worth it really but then again 8600's like to o/c or so i hear but neway even at best you get +10% not nothign to fry your card over thts for sure-- if you must try umm ATi Tool is pretty good and will find the GFX card max speeds for you.. just take the max and back it down 3-5% and you should be ok...
WOW neway sry for the long post-- i tried to help ya some hope it helps-- if i made ne mistakes, well im not the best or id be on tom's front page competing in france or something lol
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I checked on old screen shot of CPU-Z...it was the HT Link at 1000...250x4. The 2000Mhz HTT makes more sense. but the link is the problem holding me back. I updated the Bios on my board and after that it limited my OC to low HT Link speeds. It didn't really matter a lot in benchmarks as i thought it would from 760-1000mhz speed. That was the main thing holding me back, but that was another issue with my board.
I think there is something wrong with hardware or bios because i have everything set up right and my temps are well under specified and its still wont work. yeah i had the multiplier set at 4 or 3 like in the link so i dont know. i just keep thinking im doing something wrong but i guess not its just bad hardware. maybe my technique is all wrong. i was bumping the fsb up by 5 or 10 at a time and the voltage by 1 or 2. maybe i jst need to find the right combination....grrr o well ill give it one more try then ill give up
Yea dude if your sure youve got it all set right, it could very well be a hardware problem, double ceheck your settings, double check the sticky on oc'ing, and make sure your doing things right-- if tht is the case i would try and RMA the hardware-- and o/cing overall is usaully a long drown out process.. hours of tuning and testing and it takes patience.. so even if you get good hardware.. some time will still need to be spent with it.. after all time and testing are the keys to a good O/C
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