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Hmmmm doesn't look that impressive.
Anybody with an 8800GTX or Ultra (if they have a compatible mobo) would probably do better just to grab another GTX or Ultra for SLi.
I'll bench mine later at those settings and see what I get with and without SLi.
Be interested to see where the 3870X2 would fit in... :D

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not impressive at all, with the launch price.

Reply to tipoo
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Cummon guys think outside the square....It's not just a Dual GPU, it can also be used as a heater to heat the house on those chillingly cool winter mornings/nights

Reply to Dudeson

So is there an official launch price?

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Reply to nkarasch
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Its 3DMark06.... dont expect a miraculous score off that piece of ****

Seriously people, why do most of you insist on judging a piece of hardware based on a 2 year old benchmark that bases most of its scoring on a Shader model that's no longer used in modern gaming situations. We've all seen the scores capable with a HD2900XT (over 30,000) using seriously overclocked hardware, but do you really think that this card wouldnt be capable of the same?
If these benchmarks were so genuine they'd MOST DEFINITELY of benched Crysis at the same time.

Wait till release day and then we'll see what the score is.

Reply to dev1se

:pfff: I don't give a toss about the card, I want to know what motherboard they used? [:mousemonkey:2]

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Reply to mousemonkey
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Well my 3870x2 bends it over.... but i do agree with dev1se!

I get 12377
5573 sm2
6435 sm3
2483 cpu

i have a picture if u want but i have no idea how to add it to a post (kinda new to the forum scene)

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Reply to bmadd

launch price rumored to be 599 Euro

Reply to review_benchmark_hun

mtyermom wrote :

^greatest sig ever


Ta V.much

bmadd wrote :

Well my 3870x2 bends it over


Ahh, but wait, maybe it's the drivers.
Yes, lets use the ATi fanboi line of "newer drivers will make the card RoXoRs" [:mousemonkey:1]

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Reply to mousemonkey
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indeed lets monkey but how often does anyone care about drivers to come??? by that time the initial benchmarking has been done and so has the damage whether good or bad.

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Reply to bmadd

Dudeson wrote :

Cummon guys think outside the square....It's not just a Dual GPU, it can also be used as a heater to heat the house on those chillingly cool winter mornings/nights


I live way in the south... high temps AND humidity. Hell, I'm presently sunburned from a 2+ hour bike ride without a shirt... some of us don't need heaters.

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rodney_ws wrote :

I live way in the south... high temps AND humidity. Hell, I'm presently sunburned from a 2+ hour bike ride without a shirt... some of us don't need heaters.


ok, use it as your oven then.

Reply to tipoo

tipoo wrote :

ok, use it as your oven then.

 


Maybe George Foreman can put a patent on it!
:pt1cable:


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Can someone with a GTX or Ultra verify the score that this mob got with there cards cause it seems.... off

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bmadd wrote :

Can someone with a GTX or Ultra verify the score that this mob got with there cards cause it seems.... off


Once I have windows reinstalled, I'll do it later.
As above, I said I'll do it without SLi and then with and see, firstly what my score is like with one GTX and also how close in comparison SLi'd GTXs get to the supplied figure for the 9800GX2.
It'll be interesting to see no doubt.
Just need to get my PC sorted first! :)

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cool banana's. good job in advance luke

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bmadd wrote :

cool banana's. good job in advance luke


He he, thanks! :D

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Reply to LukeBird

they're running 4xaa and 16xaf. That's why the scores look low.

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so did i. i said i has a pic just dunno how to add it

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bmadd wrote :

Can someone with a GTX or Ultra verify the score that this mob got with there cards cause it seems.... off


Calling all owners of 790i mobo's

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Reply to mousemonkey
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Thing is though according to testers of the 790i, SLI performacne with the G92 core on it rockets. Whereas 8800GTX performance doesnt.

 


SO tri-sliers could have been ripped off.

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Reply to Hatman

How dare you even suggest such a thing, bad Hatman bad bad, now go and stand in the naughty corner until you have something good to say about the glory that is nVidia.

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Reply to mousemonkey

Right, I've benched my system in comparison to that (as I said I would! :)) but bear with me, system is not fully optimised as I've just reinstalled windows. I did runs with and without SLi as per my sig in XP Pro SP2, video drivers 174.20 (thanks pauldh!).
Firstly, without SLi-
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/5991/thgcrun1noslixo2.jpg

and with...

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/1231/thgcrun1slity3.jpg

Basically, a poor showing for the 9800GX2 if they're the real benchies. My system gets beyond where they say it would with the same settings (AA level 4 (wasn't sure what that meant!) but at 4x, aniso filtering @ 16, 1280x768)
Apologies for no further information, but i'm shattered, so it's bedtime! :)
Hope they prove of some use! :D
Luke

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Reply to LukeBird

Oh and I should say, the 'not fully optimised' means that with my reinstall I have 500 3DMark's less, even though I was using technically better drivers and more RAM today!
So some tweaking (not even that, just getting back to where I was!) would see those numbers climb higher!
At normal settings I benched 11248 today and yesterday I benched 11750! :)

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Reply to LukeBird
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wow thats a let down.....

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Reply to bmadd
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http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/2645/3870x2at1280x7684xaa16xvf5.th.jpg

there is my 3870x2 running

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Reply to bmadd
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Are you both using multisampling instead of FSAA?

Apart from that IDK, I guess they reported the tests wrong and used something else.

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Reply to Hatman
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Two things:

 

Benchmarks really mean nothing, performance in games is what we buy the cards for. I can think of a few past Nvidia vs ATI examples where one would have a higher benchmark, but not as great performance in games, etc.

 

Another thing to consider is that its unlikely these are real, because why would Nvidia release a product thats not really that much better than the last generation...they do test the things before releasing, right? I mean, they would have known this was coming....why...would they continue...?

 

Odd. Maybe it will be cheap.


Message edited by scyle on 03-06-2008 at 12:57:25 AM
Reply to scyle

These tests have to be wrong...I get 9859 3dmarks with an 8800GT 512 using the same settings as the test on 3dmark06.

Reply to killazer
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i want to know is there really difference both G98 AND 80

Reply to pony
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I know theres AA & AF involved here but it doesnt seem all that much better than 9600GT's in SLI.....

And the 9600's are cheap!

Reply to dev1se
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Kinda strange score seeing as it scored 14,298 last week so they must have done something wrong to score that low. I have 3 / 8800Ultras in SLI that scored 21,098 on 3DM06 with a QX9650 at 4GHz and a mild OC on the ultras. My other rig with two 512 8800GTS scored 17,322 with it's QX9650 at 3Ghz.

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Reply to stan116
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Its because they've activated AA and AF for the bench.


I just love how they keep releasing these 3DM06 benches YET NO REAL GAMING BENCHMARKS

Reply to dev1se

No their bench is just wrong or a lie... I get close to 10k with a 8800GT 512 with the exact same settings they are using for the OP bench.

Reply to killazer

The NDA is in effect, thats why. Also, on the 14,000 score, it was using a 2.66GHZ Intel chip, which isnt thwe fastest out there

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Reply to jaydeejohn

With my 8800GTS 512mb I scored a 11433 at those same settings. I doubt those benchmarks are accurate.


http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p160/beurling/3dmark06.jpg

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Reply to Beurling

I'll wait for the official benchmarks to be released. Who knows, there are a lot of fake photoshopped specs and scores being released these days.

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dev1se wrote :

Its 3DMark06.... dont expect a miraculous score off that piece of ****

Seriously people, why do most of you insist on judging a piece of hardware based on a 2 year old benchmark that bases most of its scoring on a Shader model that's no longer used in modern gaming situations.
Wait till release day and then we'll see what the score is.



What I'd love to know is why people tell me that they get scores with one 3870 that are higher than mine with the 3870x2? Do they overclock their CPU? Do they have quad cores? I get a mere 9512 with the 3870x2. Yet, it seems to do great in games like Oblivion and The Witcher that benefit from Crossfire.

Futuremark might want to release a game incorporating their benchmark, but either way, they should update every couple of years. 3DMark 06 just seems outdated, and the CPU score just isn't right. Who's using the CPU to render graphics in a modern 3D environment anyways?

mousemonkey wrote :



Ahh, but wait, maybe it's the drivers.
Yes, lets use the ATi fanboi line of "newer drivers will make the card RoXoRs" [:mousemonkey:1]



Don't be prejudiced. Nvidia needed driver updates to improve performance and support for their 7950. They needed drivers to improve on Vista performance. Nvidia cards aren't always fastest when drivers actually render what's in the game vs. what Nvidia fudges (i.e. Crysis's water) and so it goes.

Both ATI and Nvidia benefit from improved drivers as support for their cards mature. Anyone who doesn't see that is an Nvidia fanboy.

bmadd wrote :

Well my 3870x2 bends it over.... but i do agree with dev1se!

I get 12377
5573 sm2
6435 sm3
2483 cpu

i have a picture if u want but i have no idea how to add it to a post (kinda new to the forum scene)



To add it to a post, you'd have to upload it to Flickr or Photobucket. I'm at work on my break and photo sites are banned, so I can't go into mine and add my Orb rating here, but I did it at home in prior 3870x2 threads. It said that there was only one other configuration like mine on record, so I guess not many are getting the 3870x2 who only have X2 4600+ class CPU's.

Oh well, your score shows me that I'm CPU limited. I don't overclock and the stock 2.4 gigahertz is doing me in. Can't wait for May when the Phenom 9750 arrives and I can get it with a 790 motherboard. It probably won't overclock but it will help avoid CPU limits, as will an LCD monitor (saving up for a 24" ). I'm still stuck with a CRT.

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Reply to yipsl

These 3Dmark06 scores seem a lot closer to what they should be getting.

http://www.vr-zone.com/articles/Ge [...] /5614.html


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Reply to systemlord

Looking at it in purely 3DMark terms, it's not looking too impressive at the moment.
I certainly won't be running to the shops to chop my GTXs for one! :D

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Great performance comparison - upto 90% faster at rendering then the 8600 GTS - 8600!?!? WTF

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Reply to apache_lives
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i say good luck to NV i hope it is more like the results from vr-zone. hate to think NV did so well up to now to drop the ball then kick it into there team's goal


Message edited by bmadd on 03-06-2008 at 11:45:01 AM
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Reply to bmadd

wait until the card is officially released & new drivers are provided.

Reply to review_benchmark_hun

LukeBird wrote :

Looking at it in purely 3DMark terms, it's not looking too impressive at the moment.



Remember 3Dmark scores mean notta in the real world, FPS does matter though.


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apache_lives wrote :

Great performance comparison - upto 90% faster at rendering then the 8600 GTS - 8600!?!? WTF

Yeah, and the ability to add a second GPU with SLI? Seems it's an 8800GTS box to me. :)

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systemlord wrote :

Remember 3Dmark scores mean notta in the real world, FPS does matter though.


Yeah, very true (my system is testament to that, benches nothing like as much as a C2Q, but FPS are damned impressive) but, I was purely viewing it on those stats.
It'll certainly be interesting to see what nvidia bring to the table, I think the next 3months in GPU's will be very, very interesting!
Just think, the 8800GT& GTS and the 3850 & 3870 will be nigh on obsolete!! :lol: :lol:


I jest, obviously!!

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It also matters where your settings are at. I can gain or lose 2k points on settings alone with my 7900GT on 3DMark06. I know it doesn't seem like a lot, but maybe the margins are larger with better cards. I dunno :(

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