the brisbane does not come wih a HFS so u would need to buy one and im sure u would buy one anywayz. i would go with Brisbane but allendale is a better performer and both can be OC'd to 3 GHZ no problem.
budget rig means lower cost. At this point, the AMD780g chipset is the best integrated solution. I would go with the 5000+ and a motherboard with the 780g chipset. Check out Biostar, Gigabyte or even the ECS 780-M.
This will let you more room for more RAM and bigger HDD.
budget rig means lower cost. At this point, the AMD780g chipset is the best integrated solution. I would go with the 5000+ and a motherboard with the 780g chipset. Check out Biostar, Gigabyte or even the ECS 780-M.
This will let you more room for more RAM and bigger HDD.
Having the "Best Integrated Solution" is mostly irrelevent at this point for most users since it's still not good enough to replace a dedicated graphics card if one is needed or desired while if one is not needed or desired other integrated solutions work just fine.
Even at minimal graphics settings as relatively small resolutions, it could not come close to usability with the tested games which are not even the roughest.
Having the "Best Integrated Solution" is mostly irrelevent at this point for most users since it's still not good enough to replace a dedicated graphics card if one is needed or desired while if one is not needed or desired other integrated solutions work just fine.
Even at minimal graphics settings as relatively small resolutions, it could not come close to usability with the tested games which are not even the roughest.
Depend of the purpose. For business, internet, video or movie watching, it is more than enough. As for game, I agree, but at the price the current 780 motherboard are, onboard is more like a bonus.
The E4500 would be about 25 - 30% faster than the X2 5000+ BE when both are clocked at 3GHz.
it is costing more too. because the BE don't need expensive cooling to OC. a simple 10$ cooler should suffice with good vented case. And in this case, the Intel will still cost 25-30% more than the BE.
That 25$ will be better spend on more RAM. Even a budget PC will benefit from more ram.
Depend of the purpose. For business, internet, video or movie watching, it is more than enough. As for game, I agree, but at the price the current 780 motherboard are, onboard is more like a bonus.
I think it's a great board, but it will have a more targeted audience than many here will see.
If you toss that into the average reatail system it will be a big setup up.
Then toss in the fact you could toss in a cheap/low power/relatively cool GPU into the system and make older games run OK is nice.
It's also a nice board for "Low Power Systems" that you want cool and quiet due to the low powe usage.
Toss in a real low power AMD chip and it will be good to go.
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it is costing more too. because the BE don't need expensive cooling to OC. a simple 10$ cooler should suffice with good vented case. And in this case, the Intel will still cost 25-30% more than the BE.
That 25$ will be better spend on more RAM. Even a budget PC will benefit from more ram.
Or you could buy the E2160 which is Cheaper, Faster, and even comes with a Cooler that will run the chip at about 3.2Ghz.
it is costing more too. because the BE don't need expensive cooling to OC. a simple 10$ cooler should suffice with good vented case. And in this case, the Intel will still cost 25-30% more than the BE.
That 25$ will be better spend on more RAM. Even a budget PC will benefit from more ram.
The E4500 doesn't require 'expensive cooling' to OC either, it actually runs cooler than the X2 5000+ BE. My E4400 does 3.33GHz on the stock HSF, and guess what, its FREE.
RAM is so cheap nowadays I doubt the OP is getting less than the standard 2GB kit, so your argument is moot unless you are suggesting the OP get 4GB of RAM for a budget build.
I'll toss my 2 cents in and give favor to the 5000+ BE. I do have a Intel in my other computer and its been a bit more of a problem then my AMD machine. Just my personal experience.
For now, though, I'm waiting for the new Yorkies to hit the market so I can build a new gaming machine.
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That could be an option, but it will take a better board for FSB OC. The BE OC simply by upping the multiplier, so it is easier.
The E21x0 chips are stock 800FSB (as are the E4x00 chips). This means you don't need a high end mobo to get decent overclocks, an E2160 at 3GHz will be running at 1333FSB, which is the standard FSB speed for the higher end C2Ds anyway. Now clearly you don't need a high end mobo to run a stock 1333FSB C2D... for the same reason you also don't need a high end mobo to run a 800FSB E21x0 or E4x00 chip @ 1333FSB.
Message edited by epsilon84 on 03-24-2008 at 10:07:26 PM
The E4500 doesn't require 'expensive cooling' to OC either, it actually runs cooler than the X2 5000+ BE. My E4400 does 3.33GHz on the stock HSF, and guess what, its FREE.
RAM is so cheap nowadays I doubt the OP is getting less than the standard 2GB kit, so your argument is moot unless you are suggesting the OP get 4GB of RAM for a budget build.
That's the point. I put 4 gigs with Vista now. I mostly built budget machine. And for the difference that cpu gives in budget machine, I always favor RAM and HDD space than CPU.
And to be honest, in all of my build, based on Intel or AMD, the only difference in speed that could be noticed on a day to day basis come from more ram, or faster hdd than a few hundred of MHz.
