I just wanted to rant about how much Intel is pissing me off with the release of the Core 2 Quad. Anyone else buy some equipment just to have it sitting around waiting for the new processors because you don't want to waste money on an intermediate processor?
I bought Asus P5E3 Deluxe and 4 GB DDR3 which cost a fortune... expecting Intel to bring the processors out in a reasonable time. Its just really pissing me off because my equipment is now devaluing and I can't really use it because I can't go get the QX processor. Why does Intel provide us with no real information either. If there is a new architecture coming out in a year my equipment will really go down in value.
Is there any way to complain such that Intel would actually listen? At least they could provide some reliable information about whats going on with the processors. Then I wouldn't be so pissed off. If they are having problems of some sort then fine but you can't find any good information anywhere about why the Q9450 or Q9550 is not out yet. My P4 just died and I need a working machine but I don't want to spend 270 on a q6600 since i would rather spend the 400 on a Q9450. WTF Intel just give us some information!
Only way you're going to get a complaint like that heard is by luck... some big intel share holder would have to be browsing here and read this. Even then I doubt they'd get an answer for you, just themselves.
Jesus here we go again. If you didn't know that intel is bringing out nehalem at around the end of year or early 2009 then it's your fault for not doing your research. It's not like they are exactly hiding it... They have some pretty neat videos about it.
At this moment there is truly no reason to buy an X38 chipset board OR DDR3, especially considering how costly it is and considering also that LGA775 dies with penryn, nehalem CPUs will require new sockets. Sure you might be able to use the memory in a future build, but by the time you get to actually use of it, there'll be faster, cheaper RAM with better timings. When you bought your ridiculously priced parts you had to know that this would happen, I don't mind people who want to go for the best of the best (Even though in my mind it's just dumb and not something I would do) but it pisses me off when you go all out and then complain on how it loses value fast.
Since the Q series is basically what they call a double cheeseburger (two dual cores together) they have to use TWO dual cores for every quad core CPU, and considering how faster they are selling the little dual cores available at this moment I don't find it one bit strange that they are having problems supplying enough CPUs and are trying to build enough stock to release the quads. If there were any problems then you wouldn't see the Quad Xeon counterparts already on the street which are pretty much identical to the Q9000 series.
Finally if you need a CPU so badly, you can buy the Xeon X3350 to fit in your board which I believe would be the exact same chip as the Q9450 for a bit over $400 from buy.com
Message edited by emp on 03-26-2008 at 07:04:05 PM
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I see TankGuys says they have them in stock. Are they a reputable retailer?? Anyone bought from them?
Also in reply to EMP, I needed to upgrade now due to parts failure... wanted a good machine for processing, programming, and etc. Not for gaming, seemed like a reasonable thing to buy since I wanted to push the processor and use the 1800mhz memory. And so you think its stupid to get this stuff, well nobody gives a damn what you think. Nobody has to give a damn about what I think either, but my point is... you didn't answer my question from the original post you noob. And you didn't add anything to the thread so it was a useless post.
I'm just pissed off Intel doesn't supply better info... they don't have to supply the processors, but tell us why, when etc.
As for your ?, Intel stated Q1 08. They never specified a specific date and don't have to. Believe it or not the e-tailers have had them for a few days maybe a week+. Just want to mark the price up.
Its the same with every company. They set a quarter of the year for release, expect it to be near the end of that quarter. But don't get mad as that causes stress which will hurt you in the end. Be happy. Go drink some herbal tea.
Message edited by jimmysmitty on 03-26-2008 at 07:22:44 PM
You could shut the Fck up and balls up to getting a Xeon if you can't wait that long. JK JK. It does suck. The price markups are horrible. But on a serious note...Xeons work just as well and are available...but not for long because a lot of people are snatching them up...*cough*...
Sht son. I looked into the ZZZZZeeeeeon but the place i normally buy from doesn't have that one either. I think I'll just order from TankGuys today. Unless EMP has anything to say about it... noob.
Oh, And Intel is doing it's best to get you the processors.
#1) Intel stated long ago that it would not be until Q3 that they would be making more 45nm than 65nm. It takes a while to ramp and there is huge demand.
#2) Intel Admitted that they were changing the Stepping on the Quads due to issues found with certain lower-end existing Mobos. So instead of shipping a chip that would have sporadic Mobo support they instead chose to address that and delay shipment. The Server and Extreme Chips were fine since they are generally not paired with lower end boards.
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I just wanted to rant about how much Intel is pissing me off with the release of the Core 2 Quad. Anyone else buy some equipment just to have it sitting around waiting for the new processors because you don't want to waste money on an intermediate processor?
I bought Asus P5E3 Deluxe and 4 GB DDR3 which cost a fortune... expecting Intel to bring the processors out in a reasonable time. Its just really pissing me off because my equipment is now devaluing and I can't really use it because I can't go get the QX processor. Why does Intel provide us with no real information either. If there is a new architecture coming out in a year my equipment will really go down in value.
Is there any way to complain such that Intel would actually listen? At least they could provide some reliable information about whats going on with the processors. Then I wouldn't be so pissed off. If they are having problems of some sort then fine but you can't find any good information anywhere about why the Q9450 or Q9550 is not out yet. My P4 just died and I need a working machine but I don't want to spend 270 on a q6600 since i would rather spend the 400 on a Q9450. WTF Intel just give us some information!
Intel has no reason to release the new CPUs. AMD is still struggling to beat the performence of the Q6600. Sure they can drop the price of the Phenom under the Q6600 to "compete", but they still cant touch Intel on pure performence.
Message edited by emp on 03-26-2008 at 07:45:32 PM
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Hahaha, you got DDR3? j@ck@ss. JK JK JK. I might get a warning soon...I can feel it. Your title just invokes so much rage. No seriously though...do you burn money or something?
Edit: This thread is going to snowball into a real doozy.
Yes, thought it would be better when pushed to 1600 or 1800 at 7-7-7-18 for my purposes... Not gaming, not going for overclocking the CPU... simply to get the highest memory bandwidth. And no i appreciate critiques... but not from mofos like EMP. I couldn't wait for the next gen ****. My CPU failed and old machine bit dust. What you gonna do? The point is that they should call me personally when they can't have my parts ready... also they should send out a quench wench with a GD beer for me to calm my angry programmer/mathnerd nerves ok.
Lol im starting to like this guy He's calling me names yet he's the one complaining about not being personally informed by intel about Nehalem, release dates of Q9000 line up, or sudden price drops in overpriced high end hardware.
Intel is not providing nearly enough info to keep most of us satisfied about their upcoming CPUs, but they are definitely providing enough info to make an educated guess on how the market will be impacted and what is worth buying and what isn't.
If overclocking was your concern unless you are trying to set a record somewhere there is absolutely no reason to buy DDR3, people are getting Q6600s @ 3.2-3.5 with good DDR2 800 memory, so I'm pretty confident that a Yorkfield could reach 4Ghz with DDR2 1066.
The problem with you is not that you are wasting cash on excessively overpriced components, because it is your money and you are the one that decides on how to spend it, the problem is that you are willingly wasting money on $600-700 on just a motherboard and memory and then complaining about how expensive it is/how it is dropping in value. If you didn't want that to happen, then you shouldn't have bought DDR3 memory OR an ASUS board, because trust me ASUS are experts on ripping people off with their boards.
Anyway what's done is done, but if you really want to put that X38 board and that DDR3 memory to use, then by all means don't forget to also spend $500-600 on a top end liquid cooling setup, because otherwise you wouldn't be doing justice to that motherboard or that memory. And before you even ask why, it's because if you stick to air cooling you will get the same results that you can expect from a good P35 motherboard and a few sticks of high quality DDR2 1066 ram.
Message edited by emp on 03-26-2008 at 07:49:51 PM
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-Friend of Sound Cards
-Enemy of cheap PSUs
-Fanboy: eVGA, GIGABYTE, Antec, Seasonic, PCP&C, Razer, Saitek, and Corsair.
Still sounding like a noob to me. I just wanted to hear some Intel rants really. Not about your personal vendettas against people with some cash to blow. Perhaps I do have a liquid cooling setup sitting in the GD corner waiting for that processor? I have a sturdy supply of liquid nitrogen from the University if I wanted to... but no I just want high memory bandwidth for manipulating large matrices and doing various discrete integral transforms as quick as possible.
Ohh and, having real things to do, I don't have time to research everything. Nor do I really care to. I just want my parts, I want a couple strippers, and a beer... and some more math books... and maybe the new '08 M3.
Message edited by DjE7wood on 03-26-2008 at 07:53:42 PM
Your parts? It is a free for all man. Intel is tossing ho ho between two fat chicks and watching them go at it. I think they like doing this sort of thing.
He's calling me names yet he's the one complaining about not being personally informed by intel about Nehalem, release dates of Q9000 line up, or sudden price drops in overpriced high end hardware.