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Okay, so I picked this up...

mobo : asus p5kpl-cm
proc : e5200
memory : centon ddr2 800

Now, the problem is, from what I read, the memory divider is locked on this mobo. The highest I've been able to oc this is 3.33 ghz with 12.5 x 266 fsb stable. 3.6 ghz with 12 x 300, not stable. All at stock voltage. People have been able to hit way higher speeds just not with this particular board and ddr2 800 and no one has tried from searching. Also, I had to set the ram to 667 with 2.0 voltage to compenstae for the locked multiplier. I've got three questions.

Would getting better memory help? Such as ddr2 1066 memory

I only have one memory stick available ddr2 800 in single channel. Does running dual channel make a difference in the cpu oc? Or should I just get two ddr2 1066? Only if that is necessary cause I don't want to spend more money then I have to.

And third, this mobo doesn't seem to have a straight "vcore" adjustment. Is this the ICH or MCH voltage? I'm not too sure and would appreciate if someone could explain this weird setup. This is very annoying cause I'm not sure if this is limiting the oc also.

All in all, it's mainly cause this mobo doesn't have a stupid memory divider and/or, I'm not too sure on this, no vcore adjustment.

And a sidenote : I have tried a lower multi with a higher fsb, such as 10x300 fsb and this works fine. If I try any higher fsb with that multiplier it won't work. So I guess that means it's the ram? It is shown to be running at speeds from about 920-1024 mhz, which is kind of high for centon I believe.

I'm trying to figure out if I should just rma this stupid thing back... Seriously...


Message edited by habitat87 on 10-04-2008 at 04:11:17 PM
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I've used that board a dozen times for customers. I've always used 800 ram. Your right about the divider and your right about setting it to 667. You've done everything you can for the setup you got. With 800 ram 250/260 is the standard limit that board will go on the FSB. I believe you could get a little more with some 1066 ram, but your better off getting a Asus P5Q instead so you have the full options, and keep 800 ram.


Also on a side note I've seen alot of reviws about the e5200 OC is kinda hit and miss. It may not go much higher as well, but then again you might get lucky and get 4.2. Your best shot would be on a better mobo.

Reply to roadrunner197069

Yeah, I'm probably going to rma this mobo to get one with full features. Didn't realize it was so limited. Also, If I decide to upgrade later with this board I don't want to deal with the limitations I'm already seeing.

Thanks for the reply!

Reply to habitat87

Thats what I would do, if you reallt want to push to the limits. Its a great board, just not a miracle worker. I just got my son a P5Q. I was gonna get the P5Q SE, but it only has 4 phase voltage, where as the P5Q has 8.

I got a friend that has a P5Q Deluxe with 4g of 800 ram for sell for $200. That is a steal if your interested, also the deluxe model has 16 phase voltage. PM me if you want to get in touch with him.

Reply to roadrunner197069

Wow, that is a steal. Unfortunately, my case only accepts matx motherboards. Otherwise, I'd be all over that deal. Thanks again, I'll probably be looking into the Asus p5q-em matx. Impressive board from what I seen.


Message edited by habitat87 on 10-05-2008 at 11:26:45 AM
Reply to habitat87

Well I'm on my moms new P5Q-EM right now, and it is a real impressive matx board. I got a e1200 in it 1.6 Overclocked to 3.2. 100% overclock. It is running Visat 64 with 4G of ram and it can play Blu-ray rips just fine.

I've seen people having issues with dedicated Video cards, but I use onboard video so I can't tell you.

We actually sold that mobo ram combo for $150 on Ebay last night.

Reply to roadrunner197069

what voltage did you run your E1200 at roadrunner?

Reply to iluvgillgill

:( wanna see mine?

http://cid-1532ae9d192e3fbe.skydri [...] wsignin1.0

cant use any lower vcore.it will just simply fail prime.

Reply to iluvgillgill

Cool. Your temps are about 10c better then mine cause I'm using stock cooler LOL. I tightened my ram to 4 4 4 12 also. I; ve had this thing for 2 weeks wish mom would come get it. Ima have it wore out before she sees it.

Reply to roadrunner197069

this build is for a 40 year old women so i change the multi to 6x as you see in the screenshot as she dont need 3.2Ghz of power!LOL and the temp is under 40C i cant believe my eyes!and surprisingly i OC and UV as well!

Reply to iluvgillgill

LOL. My mom is 58 and she need it all. My son is gonna be 8 and I just ordered his rig with a e8400 E0, and ima try to get 4.5 or so out of it. It is for his B-day next month. His system will be hella sweet when it is built.

Reply to roadrunner197069

what he gonna do with 4.5Ghz?Microsoft Paint?lol

Reply to iluvgillgill

Pretty much. I was gonna get a 3.6 quad but none of his apps are threaded, so I figure I get him the fastes CPU I can get him. And the e8400 E0s are hitting 4.5 on air. I got him a ati 4670 to watch his movies also lol, almost bought him a 4870, but I talked myself out of it.

Reply to roadrunner197069

You got to be joking. Oh man, "none of his apps are threaded" LOL!

Anyhow, I was looking at the settings and I am definitely going to rma this crap back. For how high this chip is going to OC it definitely needs a higher voltage. At the stock 1.24v, I really don't that is going to cut it all. I'm surprised I got away with 3.6 ghz for a while...

Also, I don't think these chips are a hit and miss, all the new low end chips seem to overclock like crazy. Seems to either be a motherboard issue, or wrong settings from the reviews I read. I mean, if it wasn't for the 667 setting, I wouldn't have been able to boot the increase from 3.33 - 3.6 ghz. I got really nitpicky to see how much I could OC.

Temps were pretty stable the whole time too with stock hsf. Probably due to low voltages, but that'll probably change once I get the other motherboard.


Message edited by habitat87 on 10-05-2008 at 07:27:49 PM
Reply to habitat87

Ya I think it looks like you got a good chip. I wouldn't be suprised if it hits 4.0. Let me know how it works out for you, I'm curious.

I was gonna start using them in budget builds but like I said some hit big numbers, some dont. Your already higher then the some who dont, so I think you'll be fine.

Reply to roadrunner197069

Also, I was able to hit 10 x 315 fsb only with stretched memory timings and the highest overvolt. The ram was increased from ddr2 800-1042, and that's centon. I thought I was seeing those numbers wrong with the ram lol.

I guess these are hit and miss chips...

I'll definitely let you know how it goes though.

Reply to habitat87

I almost prefer a chip with lower multi so I can run somewhere between 400-500 on my FSB. I think alot of the e5200s have FSB limitations.

Reply to roadrunner197069

Yeah, in fact, I believe all of them do. The multiplier is where it's potential is. It's getting them to run stable with the voltage is what it is.

Now if I could just get some voltage control here...
Damn, if could just get only .1 volts more, that'd be really nice. Lol!

Reply to habitat87

Do the BSEL Voltage mod.

A 450x9 will be lots faster then a 12.5 x 320.

I really doubt this chip will run 450 though no matter what.


Message edited by roadrunner197069 on 10-06-2008 at 01:01:23 AM
Reply to roadrunner197069

Hmmm, how is that done? And this increases the voltage on the cpu?

My gosh, there's no way this chip is going to do 450, LOL!


Message edited by habitat87 on 10-06-2008 at 01:06:02 AM
Reply to habitat87

You use a conductive pen or some window defroster repair kit and connect a line between certain pins on your cpu. Google it.

Reply to roadrunner197069

Hmmm, googling this...

Reply to habitat87

You can do it for voltage and FSB.

Reply to roadrunner197069

dont do a pin mod when the mobo is not capable and you will need volt mod anyway. once you modded it it will be dead because the chip is not capable to run at such high fsb.

FSB WALL ANYONE???

Reply to iluvgillgill

Ignore this guy... Anyway, thanks for the advice roadrunner! I booted at 3.88 ghz (12.5 x 310 fsb). I got the voltage to work, but I'm not too sure about the fsb for the processor kicking in. As my memory is still somewhat being pushed to it's limits, now I'm seeing a limit for the RAM for sure, as this cheap centon ddr2 800 is being pushed to ddr2 1034.

Not bad, I might just clock down to 3.6 ghz as the temps are now rising a bit. The mobo temps only went up a few degrees. As for the processor, well a good 8 degree celcius, but that could be because I didn't bother to apply new thermal paste, LOL!. But the temps aren't too crazy. Looks like I might just get that Ram after all...

Now to make sure that fsb mod is working. That aluminum foil rubbed in the sticky post-it stuff should have worked... LOL!

Edit: Damn I think the example with the sticky foil was shown with the contact with no sticky stuff. That's really nitpicky... Back in thirty mins...

3.75 ghz stable 12.5 x 300 fsb. Can't seem to find the fsb mod as the RAM divider lock is still holding me back.

Last edit : I am now running at 3.84 ghz stable. Not a bad oc, probably end up just getting better cpu cooling, RAM and oc back up to 3.88 ghz to keep it stable.


Message edited by habitat87 on 10-08-2008 at 05:01:50 AM
Reply to habitat87
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i have e5200 and p5kpl-cm too, but i cant go over 250 fsb. How did you do it?

Reply to furla
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can anybody explane me how is he able to set fsb to 300 if his ram was 800 Mhz? The only 2 ratio for fsb:ram are 3:5 and 1:2 with this Motherboard, please help me

Reply to furla
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please help me :(

Reply to furla
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I just bought this board a week ago. I could not get the BSEL mod to work with this board and my E4300. My P5L-VM worked for BSEL and had better FSB settings and cpu voltage adjustment. Only reason I bought this board is becuase the P5L-VM tops out at 289fsb and I wanted to go 333fsb.

The only thing that works for the E4300 and this board for me is using the AI overclocking. 20% works, but 30% doesn't. I have not messed with the voltages of the memory for the two voltage settings of the CPU.

I'm not sure if the habitat87 guy got the BSEL mod to work or not, he didn't say.

This board is really poor for the FSB capability, and thats why its so hard to overclock. It only likes certian ratios internally. Its not really the bios setting.

The 45nm CPUS may overlclock better then the E4300 65nm I have.

The E5300 2.6ghz just came out I may be getting one of those or a E8400. I will post back when I do something.

Reply to TTMAN
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Ok here's my observations on the P5KPL-CM board:

Setup: CPU: e7300 (2.66 Ghz), memory 2x 2048 mb, 800 mhz OCZ value ram etc...

Using the auto overclock settings, I managed to get 20% overclocking (3.20 Ghz) with memory speed set at 667 mhz... Why? Because of the locked ratio... 666 + 20% = 400 mhz. This also means that the pci bus speed was running @ 66 + 20% = 79 mhz, wich is pretty hard on it.

Now! I upped the 1067 cpu fsb to 1333 mhz using the BSEL method and upped the Vcore voltage 0.1v with the Vid mod. The computer booted @ 3.33 Ghz but I had to keep the memory speed down in the bios @ 667 mhz, wich resulted, to my absolute dismay, in a reading of 418 mhz in CPUz! :fou: Which means that the PCI bus was running at a crazy speed of 83 mhz! In other words, this stupid board is completly divider locked even if you force it to think it has a 1333 mhz fsb cpu running! I tried my luck at clocking it a mere 5% more and the thing failed; I also backed down the cpu multiplier from 10x way down to 6x while increasing the fsb a wheee bit more with no result, proving that the cpu is not the limiting factor.

Too bad for that little CPU that could.... :pfff: A word of advice, if overclocking is a goal, don't ever buy this mobo. I'ts still a good little board for everyday use though. Mine is running rock steady @ 3.2 ghz at the moment, crunching video compression data :sol:

Bicot


Message edited by Bicot on 01-25-2009 at 09:59:54 PM
Reply to Bicot
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Bicot, wow you got the BSEL mod to work? I could not get it to work. IT would not boot with the 200 to 266 strap. And it worked on my old Asus mobo. Maybe this board only likes the 266 to 333 mod. hmm... Dang I should have tried that before I bought my new mobo. Long story short I ended up buying a Foxconn G45M-S with onboard raid, it it rocks!

With the P5KPL-CM you pretty much need 1066 memory to do any decent overclocking. And it has to be a low latency at 1066, like 5-5-5-15, because the motherboard can't do higher then 6-6-6-15. You have to use the 667 memory setting to get the 3:5 ratio, and the 800 setting to get the 1:2 setting no matter what everything else is set at. Just like Bicot said there is no PCI lock so you need to stick to the standard ratio, that means no small overclocking adjustments.

Possible safe ratios with the 200(800mhz cpus):

200 fsb chip with the memory actually running at 800 or 1066mhz:
240cpu, (with 800 memory set with the 667 setting) = 1.66(3:5)
320cpu, (with 1066 memory set with the 667 setting) = 1.66(3:5)



Reply to TTMAN
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My OC settings:

E2180 2.0 GHZ 200 @ 240 * 10 = 2.41
DDR II 800 @ 667 = 401
PCI Ex at 100 Mhz = 100

This give me 2.41 GHZ with DDR II 800.

Thanks.

Edit:

Ok. I did more research and found that if we lock pci-ex than pci bus is automatically locked as well. phew. Also fixed some grammer with my oc settings.


Message edited by safwan on 03-12-2009 at 03:44:21 PM
Reply to safwan
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Caution according to manual and according to the post of Bicot:

Recognition of FSB and the respective external clock speed for system bus and PCI bus is fixed. So for a 800 MHZ FSB, 200 MHZ is sent to system as well as PCI bus and OC will directly change the PCI as well.

So i am downgrading to 227 Mhz to keep my PCI bus below 38.

For 1066 FSB, 266 is sent anf for 1333 333 is sent.

Reply to safwan

I know I haven't posted in this thread in a while but I had to post this.

The bsel does work, but it's somewhat unstable on this mobo and I don't recommend it at all. The safest overclocking options are the preset ones already in the bios. Although, the highest setting is a bit much. Your only going to get about 3 ghz out of this board without having stability problems.

Which is why I switched to a Gigabyte matx mobo instead. As in my other thread that I have made about this mobo, you can get about 3.5 - 4.0 ghz with a good chip and maybe even more.

I can't comment on the new stepping but I have seen 4.0 ghz posts with 1.288v which is nearly stock settings.

Reply to habitat87

I know this thread is dead, but I have the same combo p5kpl-cm/ e5200. My prob is oc'ing the ram. I can't seem to reach the advertised 1066Mhz.

CPU-z = Memory Frequency 533.3 MHz (1:2).

I have the DRAM Frequency = 800
and the voltage @ 2.25

I am using Gskill pc2-8500
2048MB * 2
CL 5-5-5-15
2.0~2.1v

Any advice Please?

Reply to habakkuk18
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