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The 9800GX2 is going to be better than the 9800GTX right?

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March 10, 2008 1:37:37 AM

i am rather confused atm, because a while back i heard that the 9800gx2 was basically 2 8800gts 512mb cores glued together, and the GTX was actually new architecture. So would not the GTX be better? and if not, then why dont they wait slightly longer to release the 9800GX2 with the updated architecture?

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March 10, 2008 2:27:00 AM

maverick7 said:
and if not, then why dont they wait slightly longer to release the 9800GX2 with the updated architecture?


Not really sure, probably because they needed something that could compete with the 3870X2.
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March 10, 2008 2:32:11 AM

Hmm well that is stupid then... I guess ill have to wait to decide if i should upgrade from my 8800gts 512mb
March 10, 2008 2:38:15 AM

maverick7 said:
Hmm well that is stupid then...

You got that part right..... :heink: 
March 10, 2008 3:36:48 AM

I think Nvidia crapped their pants when they saw ATI put out a product that could compete and surpass what they had out at the time, so they did whatever they could to compete...slap two cards together. Oh, and try and deceive everyone into thinking that the 9xxx series of cards are a completely new generation with new tech. Some will fall for it. We obviously won't though :sol: 
March 10, 2008 5:26:25 AM

maverick7 said:
i am rather confused atm, because a while back i heard that the 9800gx2 was basically 2 8800gts 512mb cores glued together, and the GTX was actually new architecture. So would not the GTX be better? and if not, then why dont they wait slightly longer to release the 9800GX2 with the updated architecture?


Do you have any idea how much money NVidia spent developing the G80 architecture, $400 million dollars! NVidia must make a profit on this before making a whole new architecture or NVidia would go out of bussiness. The fact is though that each generation becomes more costly to developing a new architecture. This is why Nvidia has to milk as much existing architecture before making a new one. If I was CEO of Nvidia I would do the same thing, milk milk.

On another note Nvidia will launch its Geforce 9800GX2 on the 18th of March and on the same day it will ship the Quad-SLI driver, it seems that the quad SLI drivers are ready according to Fudzilla.
March 10, 2008 10:51:51 PM

systemlord said:
Do you have any idea how much money NVidia spent developing the G80 architecture, $400 million dollars! NVidia must make a profit on this before making a whole new architecture or NVidia would go out of bussiness. The fact is though that each generation becomes more costly to developing a new architecture. This is why Nvidia has to milk as much existing architecture before making a new one. If I was CEO of Nvidia I would do the same thing, milk milk.

On another note Nvidia will launch its Geforce 9800GX2 on the 18th of March and on the same day it will ship the Quad-SLI driver, it seems that the quad SLI drivers are ready according to Fudzilla.


ahh ic that makes sense, thanks for the response
March 11, 2008 12:41:41 AM

maverick7 said:
ahh ic that makes sense, thanks for the response


I am praying that multi GPU cards are the future, with monsters like Crysis.
March 11, 2008 1:04:35 AM

systemlord said:
If I was CEO of Nvidia I would do the same thing, milk milk.




I feel like we need some milking smilies to go along with that. Milk Milk.
March 11, 2008 1:07:09 AM

systemlord said:
I am praying that multi GPU cards are the future, with monsters like Crysis.


As long as they go ATI's route with it or even better 2 GPUs on 1 die.
March 11, 2008 1:08:53 AM

systemlord said:

On another note Nvidia will launch its Geforce 9800GX2 on the 18th of March and on the same day it will ship the Quad-SLI driver, it seems that the quad SLI drivers are ready according to Fudzilla.



Yeah you know why that is? They want to sucker as many people as possible into buying into the quad GPU (milk milk) but in order to do that they have to keep the drivers top secret so no one can find out that quad GPUs will hit the 3rd failure fan. FAIL. milk milk.

Instead of beating a dead horse I think it should be milking a dead cow.
March 11, 2008 3:36:49 AM

SpinachEater said:
Instead of beating a dead horse I think it should be milking a dead cow.

:lol: 

I just found that very funny! Hey SpinachEater, your avatar is from S.C.I.E.N.C.E by Incubus, right? ;) 

Great band!
March 12, 2008 2:53:28 AM

Best strategies, so as not to get milked...

a) Wait till the release of of the 9800GX2 which will make the prices of the GTS's, GTX's and Ultras plummet... then buy two cheaper cards (or just one, if you already have one), run 'em in SLI... which will be faster and cheaper than the GX2

b) buy a PS3 for 400 dollars which will tide you over until a REAL card comes out... not a crappy variation of an existing product
March 15, 2008 5:52:53 PM

trialsdude said:
Best strategies, so as not to get milked...

a) Wait till the release of of the 9800GX2 which will make the prices of the GTS's, GTX's and Ultras plummet... then buy two cheaper cards (or just one, if you already have one), run 'em in SLI... which will be faster and cheaper than the GX2

b) buy a PS3 for 400 dollars which will tide you over until a REAL card comes out... not a crappy variation of an existing product

Show us a link where you can even buy an Ultra?
GTX's can be had for $360 already.
March 15, 2008 7:16:24 PM

OMG, add $45 for one more year of warranty!
March 15, 2008 11:22:23 PM

JAYDEEJOHN said:
Heres one : http://www.pcconnection.com/IPA/Shop/Product/Detail.htm... And its ONLY $812.09!!!!!!! What a deeeal


Damn for that price of one 8800Ultra I can buy two 8800GTX's! The 8800Ultra was just a hand that slapped ATI in the face, it was more about tactics than it was a newer better card. I bought a 8800GTX and overclocked it way past an Ultra in my signature, GPU core @ 651MHz compared to the Ultra's 621MHz. The 8800Ultra is a big JOKE, and I am an Nvidia fanboy.

I really think ATI might have a good chance at being on top with their upcoming 4870X2, I'll give credit where its do reguardless of me being an Nvidia fanboy. It seems ATI is climbing out of that nasty hole they were in, and now their coming out with great graphics cards in their X2 line and excellent dual GPU single PCB design unlike Nvidia's not so good design.
March 16, 2008 11:11:19 AM

Of Course that Ultra is a joke!Card is insane expensive and not worth a money:S

Maybe AMD is doomed but ATI can keep up with nVIDIA even now.When 9xxx series came 4xxx will realiese too and ATI will have lead on his side 100% :) 
March 17, 2008 2:15:10 AM



If these a true benchmarks, then I'm not suprised one bit. My overclocked 8800GTX performs better than an 8800Ultra @ 651MHz GPU core, the reason why the 9800GTX doesn't scale as high is because of the missing ROPs. The 8800GTX has 24 ROPs and the 9800GTX has only 16 ROPs, If the 9800GTX had the full ROPs then only would it be as amazing as the first 8800GT.
March 17, 2008 2:23:37 AM

trialsdude said:
I'm getting an X2, the GX2 is crap...

check out these early benchmarks

http://lly316.blogspot.com/2008/03/geforce-9800-gx2-vs-...

http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/1331/nvidia_s_geforce...


I don't think the 9800GX2 is going to beat two 8800GTS's in SLI, at least ATI's 3870X2 always outperformed it's own counterpart, two 3870's in Crossfire. ATI I commend you for not making a double cheeseburger with two GPU's, respect has been earned. ATi's 4870X2 X2 (two 4870X2's) will be great competition against two 9800GTX's in SLI. Mmmm.....
March 17, 2008 2:49:18 AM

SpinachEater said:
I feel like we need some milking smilies to go along with that. Milk Milk.




There we have it!!! The Milk Icon is born.
March 17, 2008 5:27:45 AM

^
Simply amazing :D 
March 17, 2008 7:32:46 AM

Avenger_K said:
Unfortunately no, the GTX will not be faster since it's the same speed as the 8800GTS 512MB.
http://www.nordichardware.com/news,7475.html
:( 
I'm waiting for the 4800s myself :bounce: 

I am also. The 4800 & X2 should kick some serious butt! At least until the gt200 (1 generation after the nvidia 9000 series). This will be the 3rd (2 & 1/2) generation 10.1 card (Nvidia didn't even make 1 generation 10.1 card yet).
So, I hope by then ALL texture unit problems, RAM problems, etc will be all fixed by then. (mid 2008)
March 17, 2008 7:38:41 AM

qwertycopter:
Thanks for the benchmarks.
I wonder how the 4800 will do? I guess it will crush the 9800 GTX. But only time will tell. Crysis at 1900x1200 might even be playable in Vista!
March 18, 2008 7:06:25 PM

This is how I see it, Nvidia came out with the gtx and ultra at high prices and people bought them. Few bought Ati because they were inferior.
Ati then did the smart thing, if you can't beat them in performance, beat them in price. They then came out with cards that are just below performance, but alot better price wise. Example, 3850 and 3870.
The new competition, 3870x2 and 9800gx2, same thing. Ati lost performance wise, but price wise, they are winning.
Also, people like 'new' technology, dual cores, 2 gpu cores on 1 pcb, not a past failed card coming back again. They failed with the 7950g(something), why they think this one will succeed, they alone know.
I am happy for nvidia, they got their internal sli to work and they wanted to show everyone.
Nvidia, can't get off their high horse and still thinks that because it is a new card, with new numbers written on it and has minimal gain, people will buy it at that price tag.
I am not a fan of either camp as I go for the price/performance card. atm it is the 8800gt as the 3870x2 is a little out of my reach.
But I must say, the 4800 series looks good.
As always, competition is good and I can't wait to see what the prices would be like when Intel gets into the mix.
!