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March 10, 2008 5:51:33 PM

Alright, I've been reading around and everyone is testing video cards at 16x12 plus resolutions

What card is good for 1280x1024 gaming??? I'm not worried about DX10, insane AA levels, or even maxxing games
I have a 6400BlkEdt, 2gb ram, and currently a 8500GT

PSU will be a antec 550 or 600

I play a little of everything, DIRT, crysis, COD 1,2 &4......

Will an 8800gs work for these?????

Thanks

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March 10, 2008 6:29:58 PM

For the money I would consider the 9600GT as your best price/performance ratio card.
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March 10, 2008 6:52:53 PM

boonality said:
For the money I would consider the 9600GT as your best price/performance ratio card.


No I dont think the 9600GT is worth it for his resolution stick with the 8800GS as it still is a G92 core, and after MIR it is $120...
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March 10, 2008 7:07:40 PM

I'd say either of the above, 8800GS or 9600GT is right for you. 9600Gt will give you a little more Ummmf!
March 10, 2008 7:09:58 PM

Yeah but it's quite a bit more expensive and without that much of a playable difference at the resolution. Hell the 3850 256mb would be a good choice too, but for the money the 8800GS is the way to go, especially the one I linked since it's overclocked high as hell and it still comes out to the stock eVGA one's price.
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March 10, 2008 7:13:34 PM

I'd go for the 8800GS over the 3850 unless it was teh 512MB version.
March 10, 2008 7:18:16 PM

jay2tall said:
I'd go for the 8800GS over the 3850 unless it was teh 512MB version.


in this case 120 for a G92 core 8800GS is worth it!
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March 10, 2008 7:19:57 PM

FrozenGpu said:
in this case 120 for a G92 core 8800GS is worth it!

I was just saying though. The GS is totally worth it. You can even give it a nice mild OC
March 10, 2008 7:31:23 PM

I dont think it will work to well with DIRT or Crysis though.

I have a 8800GTS 512 and still have issues with those two games.
March 10, 2008 10:20:36 PM

thanks a whole lot guys
March 10, 2008 11:26:52 PM

rallyimprezive said:
I dont think it will work to well with DIRT or Crysis though.

I have a 8800GTS 512 and still have issues with those two games.


yeha u gotta turn it down a bit. but you would be suprised how a little change in a few different catagories can make all the difference.
March 11, 2008 12:25:35 AM

ok, but really, anything would be an improvement over what I have now
8500GT

Running crysis - 800x600, water and physics on high 18-38 fps :D 
Dirt - 800x600 - min - 20fps
March 11, 2008 1:01:07 AM

I don't think Dirt will be much of a problem. I run it with everything all the way up, @1280x720 and it runs like a dream. Crysis shouldn't be much of a problem on high either.

My Specs:

Intel Core 2 Duo e6300 @3.4Ghz
Evga 680i SLI Rev. T1
Visiontek 3850 512mb 760/2058
NZXT Nemesis Elite
2GB of DDR2-800 XMS2
March 11, 2008 1:05:42 AM

thanks alot everyone
March 13, 2008 3:38:25 PM

FrozenGpu said:
yeha u gotta turn it down a bit. but you would be suprised how a little change in a few different catagories can make all the difference.


That is what is the golden key, guys say they can't play crysis maxed, yet if they turn certain settings down even one notch it totally bring the game back to life....I dunno I consider Crysis a benchmark, should be included with 3Dmark06, we'll call it CrysisMark06
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March 13, 2008 4:10:23 PM

Another 8800GS vote. Excellent for the price and very capable at 12x10. I have the XFX $120 AR version. it's a nice card, but the fan spins 100% all the time so a little loud. The evga versions have the variable speed 8800GT fan I believe, which can get louder even, but typically will be quieter. http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...
March 13, 2008 8:30:57 PM

but it hink u gotta pick ur battles sometimes, 8800gs is a great card, that mgith get noisy, but so what buy some great headphones, and trust me, it won't matter... :wahoo: 
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March 13, 2008 10:47:12 PM

Oh, it's not loud enough to bother you gaming. But a little loud idling 100% while not gaming. If your computer isn't right on the desk next to you, it wouldn't be bad at all.

Besides, It's easy to rig up a high/low switch (5v/12v) for 2D and gaming or a Zalman fanmate if it's found to be too loud. Don't even have to cut the stock fan cable, just make/buy an adapter. Cheaper yet just add two silicone diodes and knock it down to 10.5v.
March 16, 2008 2:25:43 AM

bump
March 16, 2008 7:13:43 PM

bump for what, what other information or questions do you need answered????
March 16, 2008 8:06:34 PM

i have 2600 pro ICEQ and it OC ALOT!!. i would get that. ICEQ 2600XT atleast, i OCed 600/500/ to 745/575 super stable i play, crysis, COD4, Dirt, hellgate, on that resolution, 1280, 740? something like that. on my 22", if you get 2600xt, and oc it, then you will be able to play those games on that res.
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March 16, 2008 9:34:11 PM

FrozenGpu said:
bump for what, what other information or questions do you need answered????

I was wondering the same thing.
March 16, 2008 11:04:09 PM

srry, my mistake
March 17, 2008 12:17:00 AM

All I can say is this. I'm in the same boat, and buying that card (as I will) gaureentees all games but crysis will run at max at 1024x768.

March 17, 2008 4:47:21 PM

rockstone1 said:
All I can say is this. I'm in the same boat, and buying that card (as I will) gaureentees all games but crysis will run at max at 1024x768.


@ your note below your name....Then you must be PS2's main chip the 'emotion engine' :kaola: 
March 17, 2008 5:00:56 PM

Rule # 1. For any and all gaming at any resolution you need at least 512mb of vram. That is the magic number developers are optimising for.

Any 3850-512 or 3870-512 will do nicely. You end up with a great performing budget card that is dx10.1+++ compatable.
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March 17, 2008 5:31:14 PM

jerseygamer said:
Rule # 1. For any and all gaming at any resolution you need at least 512mb of vram. That is the magic number developers are optimising for.

Any 3850-512 or 3870-512 will do nicely. You end up with a great performing budget card that is dx10.1+++ compatable.

I don't agree with that. I'll take a 256MB HD3850 anyday over a 512MB 2600XT or 8600GT.
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March 17, 2008 5:56:10 PM

pauldh said:
I don't agree with that. I'll take a 256MB HD3850 anyday over a 512MB 2600XT or 8600GT.

I agree with that. I do see the 256 vs 512 argument but if you are looking at similar performing GPU's then resolution might be a factor. an HD3850 256 VS 512 at 1024x768 isn't going to be a huge difference and the 256MB would save a few bucks.
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March 17, 2008 7:39:48 PM

Yeah, I'm all for grabbing a 512MB 3850 if priced nearly the same or gaming above 12x10. But to make a general comment that any and all gaming at any resolution you need 512MB, that I sure don't agree with at all.
March 18, 2008 4:11:33 PM

jay2tall said:
I agree with that. I do see the 256 vs 512 argument but if you are looking at similar performing GPU's then resolution might be a factor. an HD3850 256 VS 512 at 1024x768 isn't going to be a huge difference and the 256MB would save a few bucks.


I'll agree with that. Just because :pt1cable: 
March 18, 2008 5:52:43 PM

Look at every PC game that released this year. The second you load the engine just about everyone uses 300++mb instantly even at low resolutions. 256mb of vram was 3-4 years ago. The standard has long been 512++. This coming year there isnt a single game releasing that we have seen in beta or demo stages that performs even slightly well at 256mb. Im not saying you wont be able to play but that extra memory is a big deal atm.

Now the difference between the 3850 512-256 models is very small in $$$ amounts. If you shop around they can be found near the same price. Its well worth the wait to get the 512 model. Within 2 years from now the way the industry is going 512 will be yesterdays news and those cards will be feeling the crunch.
March 18, 2008 5:56:58 PM

pauldh said:
I don't agree with that. I'll take a 256MB HD3850 anyday over a 512MB 2600XT or 8600GT.


So would I for the dx10.1 support and all around better OC. The problem is I think people in this thread are not giving vram enough importance. For the price of a pizza you get double the vram and MUCH better performance. I build budget PCs constantly. There is a hudge difference in playing games from the last 2 years up untill now on the same card with 256-512. Just about any 256 card you buy atm will mean minimum detail, choppy play and most certainly mean horrible performance on every title coming out this year. We are talking about less then 20$ if you shop around.
March 18, 2008 8:22:09 PM

jerseygamer said:
So would I for the dx10.1 support and all around better OC. The problem is I think people in this thread are not giving vram enough importance. For the price of a pizza you get double the vram and MUCH better performance. I build budget PCs constantly. There is a hudge difference in playing games from the last 2 years up untill now on the same card with 256-512. Just about any 256 card you buy atm will mean minimum detail, choppy play and most certainly mean horrible performance on every title coming out this year. We are talking about less then 20$ if you shop around.


lol weak GPu's barely [if at all] utilize more than 256mb 's of ram... strong GPU's however need that extra ram... if u get anything at the 8600gt or the 3600xt [3670?], level, you would be perfectly fine with just using 256 mb cards, and besides when u see that the game u are running is using more memory its probably the system memory which btw is dirt cheap so u really should not confuse the two...for god sakes 2gb of good DDr2 ram will run u maybe 40 bucks [USD]...and if u need the best, micron D9's can be had for like $65 i think-ish, but still....

512 the rule for all GPU's is a pretty ignorant statement, especially since the weaker GPU's can't utilize it well enough to justify it anyways... :pfff: 

as an addendum, the resolution matters at well, but most ppl who buy monitors capable of resolutions higher than 1280*1024 usually buy mainstream cards [batter then the weak gpu class] and if they go to like 1680*1050 or higher than they usually get high end gpu's to mainstream cards...so resolution matters, but don't kid urself son...
March 18, 2008 11:48:57 PM

bildo123 said:
@ your note below your name....Then you must be PS2's main chip the 'emotion engine' :kaola: 


Came up with that when someone said I don't have a heart. It was so grand! :p 
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March 19, 2008 1:03:20 AM

jerseygamer said:
So would I for the dx10.1 support and all around better OC. The problem is I think people in this thread are not giving vram enough importance. For the price of a pizza you get double the vram and MUCH better performance. I build budget PCs constantly. There is a hudge difference in playing games from the last 2 years up untill now on the same card with 256-512. Just about any 256 card you buy atm will mean minimum detail, choppy play and most certainly mean horrible performance on every title coming out this year. We are talking about less then 20$ if you shop around.

Well, yes, I surely would agree buy a 512MB HD3850 over a 256MB if we are talking $10-20 difference. If we hit a $30 difference, and the 256MB 3850 is already stretching the budget, then the 256MB version is still fine. I have a 256MB X1950XT, 256MB HD3850, 320MB 8800GTS, and 384MB 8800GS, and they all do very well still in current games. None of them are reduced to minimum details, so I'm not at all sure where you come up with that.

SHoot, I tweaked a customers games last night at his house after dropping off his upgraded 8800GS 384MB system. AT his 12x10 native res, most games can be cranked up in details with 2xaa even. Now I will say, Crysis, COD4 with fsaa, or 16x12 and higher with fsaa is another story for sure, but minimum details with choppy gameplay is a gross exageration and just not true.

Here, Firingsquad tests a 256MB HD3850. 1600x1200 4xaa/16xAF and averaging 52 fps. Look at the other games too. Doesn't seem to match with minimum details and choppy gameplay. http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/amd_rv670_performan...

And Anand shows the lil 3850 easily outpacing the 512MB X1950XTX and 7950GT.
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3151&p=9

edit: I think it's important to post one more link. [H] in real world gaming not timedemos. The HD3850 256MB at stock speeds was playable at 1280x1024 all medium in Crysis. 1600x1200 16xAF MAX details in UT3. 1600x1200 4xAF MAX details in NFSPS. And 1280x1024 8xAF MAX details in Timeshift. Link: http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTQxOSwzLCxoZW5...


How on earth can you say 256MB cards are limited to minimum details with choppy gameplay? Have you used one or read any reviews?

March 19, 2008 8:35:50 AM

Ok I'm in the same quandary. my monitor limits me to playing at 1152x864, so I was looking at Newegg's ~$90 BFG 8600GTS OC2 (the Thermointelligence edition) and now I get to looking at the 8800GS going for ~$120...and a 3850 256mb (HIS) for ~$140! Damn these Newegg deals! Which one should i get?
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March 19, 2008 12:09:18 PM

mala1s313 - I like the evga 8800GS for $120 AR. The XFX for $110 is the one I have, and it's very nice for the price. Bought two actually. But the fan does spin 100% all the time. It's not terriblly loud, but for $10 more right now, why not take the one that idles quieter? The clock speeds on the 8800GS vary greatly if you care about factory clocks. 580/1400 and 680/1600 for XFX. 550/1600 and 650/1900 for evga.

Any of the cheaper 3 is a good buy IMO:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...


Nothing wrong with the HD3850 256MB, But it's priced like a better 9500GT. If you go above $120 for the 8800GS, consider a 9600GT. I have not yet directly compared them, but to me it seems the 8800GS and HD3850 256MB are close and trade blows pretty equally.


9600GT $144 AR with a game - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Quieter cooled model no free game $155 AR - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

(edit: add shipping costs to these 9600GT)
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