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March 1, 2008 1:44:24 PM

Thanks in advance for your help.

This is my first build, I want a game rig, and I can't wait as my (couughdell) is dead and I am just going to flush it.
I have attempted to plan this out by doing a lot of review reading and forum lurking so as to not clutter the board up with too many question posts, but I am going to let loose here with everything-- sorry!

I can't game on the wife's laptop so I gotta get a new rig and I want to build for the experience. I was trying to stay in the area of $1500 but I have a bit of leeway to go above that. I also want to pick up a Samsung 24" but have not done so yet (not part of the PC build budget). I like Intel and Nvidia but am not a fanboi of either. I also think I am going to go with Vista.
A few lines of reasoning:

I was going to get the E8400 but Newegg is sold out and I couldn't get an answer as to when it would be in so I am thinking Q6600 as they have it in stock for only another $15. Is it worth buying from another source if I can find the E8400 in stock somewhere? ( Remembering that I am without a real computer today and as you will understand, I want everything yesterday, I don't want to back order or wait 3 weeks for it.)

I went with a 750 watt PSU so I don't gotta replace it for a few years if I end up adding more stuff. It is likely that I will tinker now that I have seen the build-your-own light.

The ASUS P5K was recommended to me but not the specific model of the P5K, is there a better fit for a game rig that the P5K-E?

From a year or three perspective am I better off going with either 2 500gb HDs or a single bigger one instead of 1 500gb? I mainly game but seldom have more than 1 or 2 on the drive at once, but I always seem to end up with lots of vacation photos and vids on my machine.

Did I pick the right memory or should I go with 2 X 2gb instead of 2 X 1 gb?

Any reason to have more than one DVD writer/reader?

Is everything compatible? Have I forgotten anything crucial?

http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E16811233025
GIGABYTE GZ-FA2CA-AJS Silver Aluminum ATX Full Tower

http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E16813131225
ASUS P5K-E LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard

http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E16814130312
EVGA 512-P3-N841-A3 GeForce 8800GTS (G92) 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI

http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E16817139006
CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX ATX12V / EPS12V 750W

http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E16819115017
Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz LGA 775 Quad-Core

http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E16820145177
CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model

http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E16822148288
Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 ST3500320AS 500GB


http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E16827106070
LITE-ON 20X DVD±R DVD Burner With 12X DVD-RAM Write Model LH-20A1S
March 1, 2008 1:45:14 PM

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March 1, 2008 3:12:40 PM

go for the Q, it'll last longer and come into it's own later down the line

make sure you get a good PSU... look at the PSU thread on xtremesystems.org's forums

i say get 64-bit vista and 4 gb of ram, but be aware you may have compatibility issues with your games...

there's no need to have any more than 2 DVD drives... i personally stick with one and if that fails, i will get another..

will you OC???

get 2x 500GB drives... one for games and one for videos

and i suggest the Antec 900 case...
March 1, 2008 3:37:49 PM

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redrocky said:
Thanks in advance for your help.

I was trying to stay in the area of $1500 but I have a bit of leeway to go above that. I also think I am going to go with Vista.

Q6600 I went with a 750 watt PSU so I don't gotta replace it for a few years if I end up adding more stuff.

The ASUS P5K was recommended to me but not the specific model of the P5K, is there a better fit for a game rig that the P5K-E?

From a year or three perspective am I better off going with either 2 500gb HDs or a single bigger one instead of 1 500gb?


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4688603,1,167568 said:
Thanks in advance for your help.

I was trying to stay in the area of $1500 but I have a bit of leeway to go above that. I also think I am going to go with Vista.

Q6600 I went with a 750 watt PSU so I don't gotta replace it for a few years if I end up adding more stuff.

The ASUS P5K was recommended to me but not the specific model of the P5K, is there a better fit for a game rig that the P5K-E?

From a year or three perspective am I better off going with either 2 500gb HDs or a single bigger one instead of 1 500gb?

http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E16811233025
said:
said:
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E16813131225
ASUS P5K-E LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard

http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E16814130312
EVGA 512-P3-N841-A3 GeForce 8800GTS (G92) 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI

http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E16817139006
CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX ATX12V / EPS12V 750W

http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E16819115017
Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz LGA 775 Quad-Core

http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E16820145177
CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model

http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E16822148288
Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 ST3500320AS 500GB


http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E16827106070
LITE-ON 20X DVD±R DVD Burner With 12X DVD-RAM Write Model LH-20A1S" target="_blank">
GIGABYTE GZ-FA2CA-AJS Silver Aluminum ATX Full Tower

http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E16813131225
ASUS P5K-E LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard

http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E16814130312
EVGA 512-P3-N841-A3 GeForce 8800GTS (G92) 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI

http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E16817139006
CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX ATX12V / EPS12V 750W

http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E16819115017
Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz LGA 775 Quad-Core

http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E16820145177
CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model

http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E16822148288
Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 ST3500320AS 500GB


http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E16827106070
LITE-ON 20X DVD±R DVD Burner With 12X DVD-RAM Write Model LH-20A1S
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said:
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E16813131225
ASUS P5K-E LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard

http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E16814130312
EVGA 512-P3-N841-A3 GeForce 8800GTS (G92) 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI

http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E16817139006
CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX ATX12V / EPS12V 750W

http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E16819115017
Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz LGA 775 Quad-Core

http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E16820145177
CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model

http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E16822148288
Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 ST3500320AS 500GB


http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E16827106070
LITE-ON 20X DVD±R DVD Burner With 12X DVD-RAM Write Model LH-20A1S" target="_blank">
GIGABYTE GZ-FA2CA-AJS Silver Aluminum ATX Full Tower

http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E16813131225
ASUS P5K-E LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard

http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E16814130312
EVGA 512-P3-N841-A3 GeForce 8800GTS (G92) 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI

http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E16817139006
CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX ATX12V / EPS12V 750W

http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E16819115017
Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz LGA 775 Quad-Core

http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E16820145177
CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model

http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E16822148288
Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 ST3500320AS 500GB


http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E16827106070
LITE-ON 20X DVD±R DVD Burner With 12X DVD-RAM Write Model LH-20A1S
said:

Get the Q6600 for future-proofing and OC it to 3.2-3.6 depending on your cooling (3.0 on stock cooler).

Get Vista home premium 32bit, after you get it go to MS and upgrade to the 64bit for like $15 and now you have both. (Can't use at same time though)

Unless you're going SLI, 750w PSU is fine.

I like two DVD burners so I can disk copy quickly and so if I have two games I like playing, I can leave both in the drives. For $30 it's worth it to me... I would get SATA drives as well so you don't even have to load the IDE drivers anymore.

Get at least 2GB RAM for Vista, 4GB if you're going to get/use the 64bit version. 32bit will only recognize 3GB anyway. I would recommend faster RAM as well.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820146755 or http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231166 they have both of those in 1GB sticks as well. Its still under your budget numbers so I would go with more and faster.

Your mobo got pretty crappy reviews on newegg, you might do some more looking but I don't have another to point you at. I'm going with the eVGA 780i even though it's unlikely I'll ever tri-sli. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813188024 it's just a good overall gaming board with and it will take the new 45nm CPU with they come out.

I would recommend this card, as it is cheaper and performance/price a much much better deal than the GTS from what I have read. It's one of the few parts that no one has tried to sway me from and no one has recommended the GTS. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130319

That's a great HDD, but Seagate has gotten lots of bad reviews. I did some more reading and decided I woud overpay for the Raptor 150GB instead. It's only SATA 1.5 and not SATA 3.0 like the Seagate, but no drive to date can even max out the 1.5 transfer rate- it's a marketing thing... Ford vs Chevy on the drives here. You could get the Raptor or Seagate for gaming and another, cheaper whatever for storage as a lot of gamers seem to do. If money becomes the issue, you can always just add the second driver later. Pretty easy with sata.

I'm sure someone will come in and blow out something I've said, but like I mentioned up-front, this is what I have read and been told. I've done LOTS of reading and verified lots of posts on THG, SLI forum, Sharkys, Extreme systems, 3DGuru etc. I truly believe everything I wrote and I based my own shopping list off what I told you.

Good luck :-)











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Based on what I have learned the last 2 months reading til my eyes are bleeding, here's what I've consistantly been told, read, heard etc. (I haven't even built my system yet and I"m asking different questions on other posts and boards.)

Get the Q6600 for future-proofing and OC it to 3.2-3.6 depending on your cooling (3.0 on stock cooler).

Get Vista home premium 32bit, after you get it go to MS and upgrade to the 64bit for like $15 and now you have both. (Can't use at same time though)

Unless you're going SLI, 750w PSU is fine.

I like two DVD burners so I can disk copy quickly and so if I have two games I like playing, I can leave both in the drives. For $30 it's worth it to me... I would get SATA drives as well so you don't even have to load the IDE drivers anymore.

Get at least 2GB RAM for Vista, 4GB if you're going to get/use the 64bit version. 32bit will only recognize 3GB anyway. I would recommend faster RAM as well. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820146755 or http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231166 they have both of those in 1GB sticks as well. Its still under your budget numbers so I would go with more and faster.

Your mobo got pretty crappy reviews on newegg, you might do some more looking but I don't have another to point you at. I'm going with the eVGA 780i even though it's unlikely I'll ever tri-sli. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813188024 it's just a good overall gaming board with and it will take the new 45nm CPU with they come out.

I would recommend this card, as it is cheaper and performance/price a much much better deal than the GTS from what I have read. It's one of the few parts that no one has tried to sway me from and no one has recommended the GTS. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130319

That's a great HDD, but Seagate has gotten lots of bad reviews. I did some more reading and decided I woud overpay for the Raptor 150GB instead. It's only SATA 1.5 and not SATA 3.0 like the Seagate, but no drive to date can even max out the 1.5 transfer rate- it's a marketing thing... Ford vs Chevy on the drives here. You could get the Raptor or Seagate for gaming and another, cheaper whatever for storage as a lot of gamers seem to do. If money becomes the issue, you can always just add the second driver later. Pretty easy with sata.

I'm sure someone will come in and blow out something I've said, but like I mentioned up-front, this is what I have read and been told. I've done LOTS of reading and verified lots of posts on THG, SLI forum, Sharkys, Extreme systems, 3DGuru etc. I truly believe everything I wrote and I based my own shopping list off what I told you.

Good luck :-)











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said:

Get the Q6600 for future-proofing and OC it to 3.2-3.6 depending on your cooling (3.0 on stock cooler).

Get Vista home premium 32bit, after you get it go to MS and upgrade to the 64bit for like $15 and now you have both. (Can't use at same time though)

Unless you're going SLI, 750w PSU is fine.

I like two DVD burners so I can disk copy quickly and so if I have two games I like playing, I can leave both in the drives. For $30 it's worth it to me... I would get SATA drives as well so you don't even have to load the IDE drivers anymore.

Get at least 2GB RAM for Vista, 4GB if you're going to get/use the 64bit version. 32bit will only recognize 3GB anyway. I would recommend faster RAM as well.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820146755 or http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231166 they have both of those in 1GB sticks as well. Its still under your budget numbers so I would go with more and faster.

Your mobo got pretty crappy reviews on newegg, you might do some more looking but I don't have another to point you at. I'm going with the eVGA 780i even though it's unlikely I'll ever tri-sli. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813188024 it's just a good overall gaming board with and it will take the new 45nm CPU with they come out.

I would recommend this card, as it is cheaper and performance/price a much much better deal than the GTS from what I have read. It's one of the few parts that no one has tried to sway me from and no one has recommended the GTS. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130319

That's a great HDD, but Seagate has gotten lots of bad reviews. I did some more reading and decided I woud overpay for the Raptor 150GB instead. It's only SATA 1.5 and not SATA 3.0 like the Seagate, but no drive to date can even max out the 1.5 transfer rate- it's a marketing thing... Ford vs Chevy on the drives here. You could get the Raptor or Seagate for gaming and another, cheaper whatever for storage as a lot of gamers seem to do. If money becomes the issue, you can always just add the second driver later. Pretty easy with sata.

I'm sure someone will come in and blow out something I've said, but like I mentioned up-front, this is what I have read and been told. I've done LOTS of reading and verified lots of posts on THG, SLI forum, Sharkys, Extreme systems, 3DGuru etc. I truly believe everything I wrote and I based my own shopping list off what I told you.

Good luck :-)











" target="_blank">

Based on what I have learned the last 2 months reading til my eyes are bleeding, here's what I've consistantly been told, read, heard etc. (I haven't even built my system yet and I"m asking different questions on other posts and boards.)

Get the Q6600 for future-proofing and OC it to 3.2-3.6 depending on your cooling (3.0 on stock cooler).

Get Vista home premium 32bit, after you get it go to MS and upgrade to the 64bit for like $15 and now you have both. (Can't use at same time though)

Unless you're going SLI, 750w PSU is fine.

I like two DVD burners so I can disk copy quickly and so if I have two games I like playing, I can leave both in the drives. For $30 it's worth it to me... I would get SATA drives as well so you don't even have to load the IDE drivers anymore.

Get at least 2GB RAM for Vista, 4GB if you're going to get/use the 64bit version. 32bit will only recognize 3GB anyway. I would recommend faster RAM as well. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820146755 or http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231166 they have both of those in 1GB sticks as well. Its still under your budget numbers so I would go with more and faster.

Your mobo got pretty crappy reviews on newegg, you might do some more looking but I don't have another to point you at. I'm going with the eVGA 780i even though it's unlikely I'll ever tri-sli. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813188024 it's just a good overall gaming board with and it will take the new 45nm CPU with they come out.

I would recommend this card, as it is cheaper and performance/price a much much better deal than the GTS from what I have read. It's one of the few parts that no one has tried to sway me from and no one has recommended the GTS. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130319

That's a great HDD, but Seagate has gotten lots of bad reviews. I did some more reading and decided I woud overpay for the Raptor 150GB instead. It's only SATA 1.5 and not SATA 3.0 like the Seagate, but no drive to date can even max out the 1.5 transfer rate- it's a marketing thing... Ford vs Chevy on the drives here. You could get the Raptor or Seagate for gaming and another, cheaper whatever for storage as a lot of gamers seem to do. If money becomes the issue, you can always just add the second driver later. Pretty easy with sata.

I'm sure someone will come in and blow out something I've said, but like I mentioned up-front, this is what I have read and been told. I've done LOTS of reading and verified lots of posts on THG, SLI forum, Sharkys, Extreme systems, 3DGuru etc. I truly believe everything I wrote and I based my own shopping list off what I told you.

Good luck :-)











March 1, 2008 3:47:09 PM

the GTS i would say is better, as it OCs likie a king, has a dual slot cooler, and is more powerful so it works better at higher resolutions.
March 1, 2008 4:04:47 PM

Again, it's just what I've read... He said he was getting a Samsung 24" which means he will likely be using 19x12 and at that res, the GT stands up squarly to the GTS at very playable FPS. Some just like it for the dual coolers I guess... If it came with a must have game and it was on sale, I might get one too. Short of that, it's just not worth it IMHO.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/247236-33-nvidia-8800gt-8800gts-worth-difference
Quote:
The 8800GT does top the GTS. This seals the deal: the 8800 GTS is no longer a viable product. Once people hear about the performance difference of the 8800 GT over the 8800 GTS, there may be a lot of $400+ 8800 GTS inventory sitting on shelves. http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3175
Quote:
Looking at these numbers I really feel that this just strengthens my point about the 8800GT 512MB being a crazy model. With a bit of overclocking on its stock cooler you can bring it up to the performance of the new stock clocked G92 based 8800GTS. http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/1237/1/page_1_introduction/index.html


But hey- if money isn't much of an issue, go for it. It's a great card, just not the best deal.
March 1, 2008 4:22:33 PM

I hate to drop in every thread and drop the "don't buy 64-bit" turd every time, but I don't have much of a choice.

You do not want 4gb of RAM and 64-bit, because since the 64-bit apps are larger, you'll end up wasting any performance gain from that recognized .5gb of RAM. Get 8gb of RAM if you're going to use 64-bit, or if you're wise, don't use 64-bit at all for a multitude of reasons. Google them if you don't know already, if I have to explain it again, I'm just going to copy-pasta the same explanation to every thread.
March 1, 2008 5:34:11 PM

As far as two DVD drives, get two different ones. I know a fella that does this in case there is a disk that one drive won't read, maybe the other drive will, at least that's the reason he gave me. Also agree with rik765, it is faster when you copy a disk.
March 1, 2008 6:12:47 PM

Hey Everyone
Thanks for all the info. I appreciate your time.
Yes 32 bit Vista is what I am going to get.

Re: the Antec 900, sweet case, I just would like a full tower case for the ease of the clumsy and GIAGANTIC (pun fully intended) hands I have. Though I am open to other full tower case suggestions. I liked the look of that Gigantic case but again, I don't have my heart set on it.

Any other suggestions on a mobo? I was not set on the ASUS, it was just recommended to me.

I have never OCed before but am reading up on it and probably will try it out. If so what sort of cooler would I need? How easy is it to retro in another cooling system as I need the system now but it may be a bit before I OC?


Thanks again

March 1, 2008 6:46:49 PM

To install a different cooler, you usually have to pull the motherboard from the case, it would be much easier to go ahead and get the cooler now and do it while you're doing the build. You would have better cooling than stock, nothing wrong with that. Here's one that is getting a lot of attention right now;
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
I personally like the Asus board, probably what I'll go with when I do my own build.
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