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GeForce 9800 GTX Specs Confirmed: Leaked Slides.

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March 15, 2008 5:04:24 AM

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/display/200803131859...


8800GTX:
Processor Cores:128
Core Clock:575
Shader Clock:1350
Memory Clock:900
Memory:768MB


9800GTX:
Processor Cores:128
Core Clock:675
Shader Clock:1688
Memory Clock:1100
Memory:512MB

Not a huge difference between these too, and even MAYBE ( i cant say for 100% because the real benchs arent out) a 8800GTX cant beat a 9800GTX in higher resolutions

Also my guess was true about 9xxx series, it isnt a revolution.
its somthing like 7800 and 79xx series


March 15, 2008 5:31:22 AM

Wow I was expecting alot better, but the clock speeds are great! Well we have to see if it's worth buying. i got the 8800gt and it works great, replaced my 7950gx2, now that was a huge improvment. I'm going to wait till they come out with the next gen cards and match the obvious reasons like everybody else. good luck all. :sarcastic: 
March 15, 2008 6:10:17 AM

you cant really compare those two in terms of numbers because they both have different core's. G80 vs G92.

However, you can compare the G92 8800GTS though.
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March 15, 2008 6:40:12 AM

Wow, Crysis scaling at nearly 100%, nvidia don't make their false data subtle.
March 15, 2008 7:30:16 AM

so basicaly its a 8800gts (g92) thats overclocked a little... my 8800gts runs stock at 650mhz core, 1620 mhz shaderclcok and 970mhz for the ram. i hope that theres something im missing with these so called next gen cards :-s
March 15, 2008 8:02:54 AM

Not impressed at all. They had to release this with a lousy 256 bit memory. How pathetic. The 9800 series have been a huge disappointment, I guess they did this because they are waiting for ATI to catch up to them.

I was expecting a lot from NVIDIA with their GeForce 9 series and I'm greatly disappointed.
March 15, 2008 9:30:16 AM

I'm impressed with the price, $299-349! If it's benching faster than an ultra at $299, why isn't this a win?
March 15, 2008 9:36:05 AM

randomizer said:
Wow, Crysis scaling at nearly 100%, nvidia don't make their false data subtle.

:lol: 
Yeah, just what I thought!
Well if it's all in the drivers, i'll sit tight with SLi GTXs thanks! :D 
March 15, 2008 9:56:26 AM

John Vuong said:
Not impressed at all. They had to release this with a lousy 256 bit memory. How pathetic. The 9800 series have been a huge disappointment, I guess they did this because they are waiting for ATI to catch up to them.

I was expecting a lot from NVIDIA with their GeForce 9 series and I'm greatly disappointed.

GX2 is their hgih end card which'll give apretty decent performance boost.


This card is pretty much solely intended for people looking to buy a new card or tri-sli'ers. Since it seems nvidia have done something with 9 series to make them scale much better in SLI. 9600GT for example.
March 15, 2008 7:46:52 PM

if this is correct i will get 1 or 2 of them in 6 months as my 8800gts 640mb whill be ok for a bit more and i need a new mob and cpu (q9450) need to see benchmarks/reviews before i pick the mob
March 16, 2008 6:30:28 PM

I just read a 790i review and in 9600GT SLI it seems pretty good so I assume the gtx SLI will be great in this board.

http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=728

I agree the gtx specs do not seem so spectacular but for a card as fast as the ultra the price seems very good. Because of not optimal software support of multi GPU cards and OC I prefer single gpu cards to the X2's.
March 16, 2008 6:39:07 PM

satanpro said:
I'm impressed with the price, $299-349! If it's benching faster than an ultra at $299, why isn't this a win?



I agree.
March 16, 2008 6:42:51 PM

pchoi04 said:
I agree.


8800gtx owners are bored with their cards and have nothing to buy :pfff: 
March 16, 2008 10:56:17 PM

I was gonna get a PSU with 3x6pin and 3x8pin :
http://www.thermaltake.com/product [...] /w0133.asp

This for SLI and one day maybe 3way SLI.

But now I see the 9800GTX has 2x6pin and not 1x6pin and 1x8pin:
http://www.nordichardware.com/news,7513.html

On the PSU site it says the 8 pin connectors are downward compatible but what does that mean? the 8 pins won't fit over the 6pins of the gtx looking at the pic's. There is too much plastic in the way on the side. Any idea's?
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March 17, 2008 12:08:41 AM

That may be true. Doesnt anyone wonder why everyone BUT the high may benefit from this card? Marketing. Sure, itll give you great performance for now, but the alternative in 2 months time will more than likely crush it. Also, since the high end user isnt profitting from this, then whats THAT saying? Somethings new around the corner, some MUCH better that will smoke this, so the highend will have theirs as well. Upgrade if your on a top DX9 card or lower, otherwise Id wait
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March 17, 2008 1:26:33 AM

I'm just gonna keep waiting till the 8800GT hits $AU200 or less.
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March 17, 2008 2:37:36 AM

Need to add one more spec to that first post:
9800gtx 256 bit memory bandwidth
8800gtx 384 bit memory bandwidth

When you crank up the AA and AF, and the resolution, the 348 bit/768megs of memory will start to flex it's muscles.

I think that the 9800GTX will be the card of choice for the money for the majority. But to those demanding few who really want to turn things up, I am afraid that the 9800 will fall pretty short of what the 8800GTX can still crank out on the top end.
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March 17, 2008 2:41:17 AM

The extra bandwidth and memory will help at resolutions of greater than or equal to 1920x1200, often with 4xAA. Below that there won't be alot of difference. If the price is right, the 9800GTX will be a much better buy than the overpriced GTX. And forget the Ultra unless you are Chrometophobic.
March 17, 2008 3:09:07 AM

I think, judging from what people have said the price will be for this card.... that nVidia plans on competing directly with the 3870 range and has no need whatsoever to rush into releasing a new arch design... so now they can spend time perfecting their next generation whilst giving us a slight performance increase. I like that the card is beating the Ultra... I'm definitely going to buy one of these until the next series comes out... at the resolution I play at I think I'll be happy. Although I expected more.
March 17, 2008 8:21:31 AM

dev1se said:
I think, judging from what people have said the price will be for this card.... that nVidia plans on competing directly with the 3870 range and has no need whatsoever to rush into releasing a new arch design... so now they can spend time perfecting their next generation whilst giving us a slight performance increase. I like that the card is beating the Ultra... I'm definitely going to buy one of these until the next series comes out... at the resolution I play at I think I'll be happy. Although I expected more.


I don't think this card is meant to compete with the 3870, we already have the 8800GT that does that and the 9800GTX isnt really in its price range anyway. Instead I think its to bridge to grap between the mid range and the so called high end (dual GPU) cards. Not that the 3870x2 isnt a good card but there really isnt anything in between a 3870 and a X2 while it's roughly double the price. I think thats a good move for Nvidia, assuming there GX2 isnt a complete bust like its predecessors. Although I excepted more from Nvidia as they were king of the hill for over a year and just waiting for ATI to play catch up, maybe like you said this will give Nvidia sometime to work things out with there next gen cards.
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March 17, 2008 9:35:35 AM

Because the way they handle the data reduces the demand for a wider bandwidth, so they can get by with a 256, and using less ram (512 vs 768) plus a die shrink or two, this card is much more the profit maker than the 8800GTX, which it replaces, and nudges in performance
March 17, 2008 10:20:15 AM

dos1986 said:
8800gtx owners are bored with their cards and have nothing to buy :pfff: 


Thats the boat Im in, and my favourite game will only work with a single GPU and has DX10 extras to use as well :( .

If these specs are right it looks like the old GTX will make it to the 2 year mark as a competetive card.

Still waiting on final release and real reviews before I make any decisions at all. But if this doesnt provide more than a 10% boost at my sort of resolutions as a single GPU then its really not going to be worth upgrading to :( . Still no doubt a good solid card at a good price for the new builders and upgraders from previous generations. Some of us already brought into this sort of performance and dont want tepid reheats.

I can still hope that Nvidia can pull a rabbit out of a hat, or after that Im going to be waiting on the next big (dingle GPU)thing from ATI.

Its not often that high end performance lasts longer than the warranty on a graphics card...
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March 17, 2008 11:06:47 AM

dos1986 said:
8800gtx owners are bored with their cards and have nothing to buy :pfff: 


Lol i am not board with mine :D  its still is a beast, plays EVERY GAME with max quality (1680x1050) including crysis (with everything @ ultra high(not very high) in XP _ a tweak which can be downloaded_ and it runs very smooth) i love my rig very much :D  :D 

Core2Duo E6600@3.2
ASUS P5KE- WIFI
SEAGATE BARRACUDA 500GB 16MB
OCZ VINDICATOR CPU COOLER
OCZ 4GB REAPER DDR2 800 4-4-4-15
OCZ 8800GTX @612/1080(=8800ULTRA)
OCZ PROXSTREAM 1000WAT
THERMALTAKE ARMOR
LG M228WA MONITOR
XP 32 + SP3

March 17, 2008 11:07:47 AM

We can't just compare the cards clocks and frequencies to determine wich is the best or will be the best its like comparing the AMD x2 4200 @2.4GHz and E6600 @ 2.4Ghz the diference isn't in their clocks but in the entire architecture... its my think...
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March 17, 2008 11:19:06 AM

Hmmm... Well... It's going to be hard to say exactly what it'll perform like since the architecture is new. Have to wait for real benchmarks. But as a GTX Owner, I have to agree that, on paper, this is pretty underwhelming. Percentage wise on the speeds, it doesn't look bad - 15~25% across the board. But I have to agree with the earlier assessment of the card's memory: Less memory with less bandwidth isn't going to help.

We'll have to see how it works out. I *was* hoping to replace the 8800GTX this year. But so far I haven't seen anything that makes me go "Wow, I want that".
March 17, 2008 1:01:22 PM

The benchmarks ive seen all show it outperforming an Ultra... and at the resolutions I play at, this is good news for me. 8800 Ultra performance at a much lower price is nice news.
March 17, 2008 3:36:13 PM

dev1se said:
The benchmarks ive seen all show it outperforming an Ultra... and at the resolutions I play at, this is good news for me. 8800 Ultra performance at a much lower price is nice news.



Where did u see those benchmarks? No whay that 9800GTX will outperform Ultra! Specs are same as 8800GTS (G92) soo thats not true :pfff:  .Btw 9800GTX cost 359-399$ depends of brand...
March 17, 2008 3:47:49 PM

Nothing cool really, agree with you Undying89 no way will these cards be below $350...

March 17, 2008 4:06:41 PM

JAYDEEJOHN said:
Because the way they handle the data reduces the demand for a wider bandwidth, so they can get by with a 256, and using less ram (512 vs 768) plus a die shrink or two, this card is much more the profit maker than the 8800GTX, which it replaces, and nudges in performance


The 8800GTX could have been their profit maker if they had dropped their price after the Ultra release but the didn't. I agree though that this model will make more profit for them since they cut memory and used the same die as the old (but shrunk it) Its all about making a quick buck at this point.

There is nothing new generation about all these cards. Some guys will be real upset when they buy this and 6mo later the real next gen chip appears blowing them all away.
March 17, 2008 4:10:21 PM

The 9800's better come out soon. Too many posts already. I can almost say I'm bored with it already.
March 17, 2008 4:22:57 PM

Agreed....

As for the better than 8800 Ultra performance... im quite happy buying one if it can beat that card... and overclocks some more too :) 
March 17, 2008 4:40:21 PM

warezme said:
The 8800GTX could have been their profit maker if they had dropped their price after the Ultra release but the didn't. I agree though that this model will make more profit for them since they cut memory and used the same die as the old (but shrunk it) Its all about making a quick buck at this point.

There is nothing new generation about all these cards. Some guys will be real upset when they buy this and 6mo later the real next gen chip appears blowing them all away.

They are going to make more profit by selling them for less... makes sense..
March 17, 2008 5:12:41 PM

Hatman said:
They are going to make more profit by selling them for less... makes sense..

It's called "elasticity". If the product is price elastic, revenue will increase even if unit price decreases due to the increase in quantity demanded.

-mcg
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March 17, 2008 5:18:47 PM

If we look at the following page: http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/12/12/geforce_8800_gts...
You can see really the only areas the 8800GTX have over the 8800GTS 512 is the memory bus width (256 vs 384bits) and the ROPS (16 vs 24).
Now I know everyone has their theories about the memory bus width and obviously this won't change. BUT I think one key items is the number of Renduring Operators. These get clocked with the GPU and are in fact part of the GPU. I mean My 8800GTS is clocked to 750MHz right now without a sweat. Which if the 9800GTX is at 675, well SUCKS. My thought is they are going to pack more ROPS into this thing making each clock cycle more "powerful" in a sense. This, I think, is why we see such a better result overclocking the GTX than OCing a 8800GTS512.

Just my thoughts. So if they come through with more ROPS for the new GTX it might actually be a good deal. STILL, granted I was looking for something that would knock my socks off but I don't think Nvidia would let an overclocked GTS outperform the new grand daddy GTX.
March 17, 2008 8:09:54 PM

jay2tall said:
If we look at the following page: http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/12/12/geforce_8800_gts...
You can see really the only areas the 8800GTX have over the 8800GTS 512 is the memory bus width (256 vs 384bits) and the ROPS (16 vs 24).
Now I know everyone has their theories about the memory bus width and obviously this won't change. BUT I think one key items is the number of Renduring Operators. These get clocked with the GPU and are in fact part of the GPU. I mean My 8800GTS is clocked to 750MHz right now without a sweat. Which if the 9800GTX is at 675, well SUCKS. My thought is they are going to pack more ROPS into this thing making each clock cycle more "powerful" in a sense. This, I think, is why we see such a better result overclocking the GTX than OCing a 8800GTS512.

Just my thoughts. So if they come through with more ROPS for the new GTX it might actually be a good deal. STILL, granted I was looking for something that would knock my socks off but I don't think Nvidia would let an overclocked GTS outperform the new grand daddy GTX.

I've thought the same thing about the 9600GT performance. Compared to an 8800GTS 512 it has:

50% shaders
50% TMUs
100%ROPs
100% clocks [fairly insignificant when compared to core configuration], and
100% mem bus

And yet it's performance compared to the GTS is ~ 30% fps hit.

This makes me think the things that truly matter are ROPs and memory bus (the two areas in which the 8600GT/GTS really lacked - 50% less than the 8800GTS - despite high clocks and 25% shaders and TMUs). Also gives me the impression if the 9800GTX has an equal number of ROPs as the 8800GTX [24], it's really going to haul compared to an otherwise identical 8800GTS 512.
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March 17, 2008 9:56:59 PM

KyleSTL said:
I've thought the same thing about the 9600GT performance. Compared to an 8800GTS 512 it has:

50% shaders
50% TMUs
100%ROPs
100% clocks [fairly insignificant when compared to core configuration], and
100% mem bus

And yet it's performance compared to the GTS is ~ 30% fps hit.

This makes me think the things that truly matter are ROPs and memory bus (the two areas in which the 8600GT/GTS really lacked - 50% less than the 8800GTS - despite high clocks and 25% shaders and TMUs). Also gives me the impression if the 9800GTX has an equal number of ROPs as the 8800GTX [24], it's really going to haul compared to an otherwise identical 8800GTS 512.

If it has 24 ROPS and everything else is the same it will absolutly perform better than the GTS. Just thing... what if it has 32????? hmmm. It would overclock like a Wild Banshee!

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March 17, 2008 10:32:39 PM

This is very vague, but as I said earlier, I think with everyone thinking that this card will be hampered by a 256 bit vs a 384, it wont. It has some to do with compression. From Anantech :"The GeForce 9600 GT, in addition to finally encroaching on ATI's naming scheme, is fabbed on a 65nm process by TSMC and sports a 256-bit memory bus. The differences between G9x and G8x are small, but even so details were light. Their compression technology has evolved to provide higher effective bandwidth between the GPU and framebuffer. We would love to provide more details on this and the other changes, but NVIDIA is still being a bit tight lipped" Whatever this compression means, itll change the way we look at a 256 bit, as with the 9600, the 9800 will incorporate this as well
March 18, 2008 12:52:51 AM

So we getting the ROPs in the 9800GTX or what people? I want more ROPS!

March 18, 2008 1:14:28 AM

JAYDEEJOHN said:
This is very vague, but as I said earlier, I think with everyone thinking that this card will be hampered by a 256 bit vs a 384, it wont.

I did not bring up memory bus width as a 256 vs. 320/384, but as 256 vs. 128 (all the anemic mid-ranges that precede the 8800GT and 9600GT (or the 8800GS's 192-bit setup, for that matter). Yeah, think about the 8800GS, it has the same config as the 8800GTS G80, except for memory bus (192 vs. 320) and ROPs (12 vs. 20) and the 8800GS even has higher clocks (550/1375/1600 vs. 500/1200/1600), yet the now-underpowered G80 GTS still beats it.

This is how nVidia castrates it's cards, and if the G92 has yet-to-be-unlocked ROPs we're unaware of, then the 9800GTX should be a fairly sweet card, otherwise, why is nVidia even bothering to put it out?
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March 18, 2008 3:12:11 AM

dev1se said:
So we getting the ROPs in the 9800GTX or what people? I want more ROPS!

That is the big question. I've seen sneak peak benches, and some specs but nothing on the Renturing Operator count. I find it REALLY had to believe nVidia is going to make 2 cards SOOOOO similar to each other.. Namely the GTS and GTX cards.
March 18, 2008 3:25:22 AM

I know..... If nVidia releases it with 24 ROPs I'll be chuffed.

March 18, 2008 3:46:55 AM

This is just a tweaked version of 8800 series. They should have built new architecture than new name.
March 18, 2008 3:57:12 AM

9800GTx has 16 ROP's though.. I haven't heard or seen anywhere them having 24...
March 18, 2008 3:59:54 AM

we'll all see soon enough. aslong as its beating an Ultra at the res i game at im happy to buy one. If the 8800GTS is much cheaper and not far behind it, the 8800GTS it'll be
March 18, 2008 5:01:50 AM

dev1se said:
we'll all see soon enough. aslong as its beating an Ultra at the res i game at im happy to buy one. If the 8800GTS is much cheaper and not far behind it, the 8800GTS it'll be


very true, at least for now.
March 18, 2008 5:19:27 AM

Better than 8800ultra performance for half the price and less power... I think the 9800GTX is a good card!

It's the best single card GPU and much cheaper that the former king, I really don't understand all this complaining.

People expect too much these days and are never happy.
I think it is a sad evolution that repeats itself in all parts of life.
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March 18, 2008 8:31:30 AM

I dont think it will be better than 8800GTX/ULTRA in higher resolutions but still i am waiting for real benchs
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March 18, 2008 10:02:20 AM

FrozenGpu said:
9800GTx has 16 ROP's though.. I haven't heard or seen anywhere them having 24...

It's called wishful thinking. No one REALLY knows, the 16 ROPS is still speculation. NDA has suprised us before once the curtain is lifted.
March 18, 2008 10:40:57 AM

jay2tall said:
NDA has suprised us before once the curtain is lifted.


When exactly does this take place? I was under the impression that it was already lifted. People had said it was over on the 18th, but does that mean after the 18th instead?
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