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Hi all.  I've been looking to put together a new system for gaming, light photoshopping, and generally use since October, but my health has been uncooperative and it hasn't happened yet.  I've had components lined up since about that time, and a new development has me wondering what parts I should keep and which I should consider beefing up a bit.  Here's the build:
 


I originally planned to buy a GeForce 8800GT, but the offer on the other card from my friend seems very much worth taking even though the card is inferior.  What do you think?  My logic is that his card will handle anything I care to throw at it at least in the short term, for a $10 investment for shipping, and I can buy the 8800GT cheaper in a couple years, or go for a newer card for a similar price to the GT now.  If I go this way I'm saving $230 or so, which I can sink into other parts.
 
I already have a great case, a couple of 80 gig, WD 800JB drives, and CD/DVD drives that seem to be more than adequate for a while yet.  How much space do today's programs, including Windows Vista, take?  I don't store huge quantities of data like most people, but if the programs demand more, I need to know.  Is it wise to buy a faster drive or is that difference negligible?
 
I also plan to buy speakers separately to use with a home theater setup in a small room, and expect to spend roughly $500 on those components including a deal currently running as I understand it.
 
So what parts could use a boost in your estimation, and why?
 
Thanks for your time.

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Consider 2 x 2 instead of 4 x 1 gigs ram for the win. Keeps future 8 gig upgrade path open for similar money. Why not a WD 500 GB HD, if not now then someday soon you'll probably be needing it. Have you considered the 8800 GT or GTS? The rest looks very solid to me.


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That power supply is a lot cheaper here;
http://www.buy.com/prod/corsair-52 [...] 70716.html
Go with one of these coolers,  
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6835233012
Maybe hold off on the sound card, onboard is pretty good.


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Looks good. :)
 
You might want to consider getting a 7200.11 HDD since you will benefit from the speed and the space. Also be warned that the DS3L has only


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I originally planned to buy an 8800GT, but the card I listed costs me shipping only, which I figure is hard to beat.  I can always buy a better card later, right?

 

Ooh, nice price cut on the PS.

 

I've asked around about sound cards vs. onboard and people seem to indicate that there is a sizable difference.  Do you disagree?

 

The reason I was getting a separate cooler wasn't to handle overclocking or anything... it was to decrease the noise of the system.  I am not really healthy enough to get into OCing a system with the potential risks involved, but I do like to listen to classical vocal music through my computer at night, where the video card would be making no noise but the system would.


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If your an audiofile, a sound card will make a difference, if your not, it probably won't.


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On board sounds better each year. Try it then add a card if needed.

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What I wish I could find in terms of audio expertise is someone who enjoys some of the same recordings I do, through a computer.  That hasn't happened yet.  For what it's worth, I'm looking for quality over volume when it comes to sound, and I want something that can handle old recordings as well as newer, digital ones.  Currently I get a tinny quality to some classical works, especially larger choral works recorded in the 60's through 80's.
 
I don't want to get too far off track though... any other system recommendations?  I've noticed, for example, that there are several CPU models with very similar model numbers to my own, but on both sides of the price bracket.  I am not sure if I've chosen the best in that range or not.

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Squidmaster wrote :

I also plan to buy speakers separately to use with a home theater setup in a small room, and expect to spend roughly $500 on those components including a deal currently running as I understand it.


My opinion, bang for the buck, is invest in good home audio speakers and a decent home audio receiver to power them first. A PC audio card last. But others here have more audio expertise, try a seperate post down in the audio section, some real experts lurk down there. http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/forum-6.html


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What I wish I could find in terms of audio expertise is someone who enjoys some of the same recordings I do, through a computer.  That hasn't happened yet.  For what it's worth, I'm looking for quality over volume when it comes to sound, and I want something that can handle old recordings as well as newer, digital ones.  Currently I get a tinny quality to some classical works, especially larger choral works recorded in the 60's through 80's.


 
Ya it depends what you are looking to do with your music on the computer. If you're listening to mp3's below 192 Kbps, there is no reason to really buy a sound card, the audio quality wouldn't be there in the 1st place. Myself, I thought my onboard sounded awful, you could always hear a static hiss when using high-quality headphones which drove me crazy with the acoustic albums that I listen to. A soundcard [PCMIA creative laptop card for now] was one of the better purchases I've made. Outputs incredible, full sound that allows high-end audio components use their full potential.  
 
From what I've read so far, Creative sound cards are more for gaming b/c of their format support [Digital Live or DTS Interactive] while Auzentech's are more for audiophile sound output [analog & optical in/out]. Apparently Auzentech has been good with driver updates, citing support for Digital Live and DTS Interactive soon. I've read some reviews of the bluegears b-Enspirer card and it sounds pretty good too, although it uses c-media drivers which some people seem to have had problems with... Keep the Auzentech in mind, even though it's a bit more expensive. It seems to be the go-to card for audio enthusiasts, and is the one that I'm going to pick up when I start building. Good luck!
 
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Also, it looks like you have 2 HD's so keep in mind that the GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3L motherboard doesn't support RAID configurations. The DS3R allows for RAID if that's what you are looking for. I have a very similar build in mind, with the 8800 GT instead of 3850, and E8400 replacing E6750. Like said above, 2 x 2GB would be better for future upgrades.

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The jury is out on RAID.  If I run a RAID setup it would be RAID 1 for security, but my experiences with RAID stability in Windows XP were dirt poor.  Is Vista capable of handling this properly?  If so I may do exactly what you suggest.

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There is generally no real world(vs. synthetic transfer rate benchmarks) performance advantage to raid of any kind.    
Go to www.storagereview.com  at this link:  http://faq.storagereview.com/tiki- [...] iveVsRaid0
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gaming is not one of them.   Even if you have an application which reads one input file sequentially, and writes
it out, you will perform about as well by putting the input on one drive, and the output on the other.
 
Raid-1 helps your recovery time if you have a hard drive failure.  ...only.   If you lose data because of a virus, program error, operator error, fire..etc, it won't help.   If you care about the data, you need to back it up to an EXTERNAL device.   If you do that, how much is it worth to you to recover from a hard drive failure in seconds vs an hour?   If you have a public server, of course, otherwise, maybe not.
 
I would look to the E8400 processor.  It is about $50 more, but it is faster, and runs cooler.
 
Onboard sound is very good these days.  I would try it out first.   If you think it is lacking, then adding a sound card later is easy.
 
I would get 4gb memory in a 2x2gb kit.  It costs less, takes less power, and it preserves your option to go to 8gb.
 
Go with the $10 3850 video card.  If you are not satisfied, you can sell it on e-bay and upgrade it.  At least, you will know how much more you might need.
 
Spend any extra on a great monitor.  It is something you will see and touch every day.  It is one of the few future proof products around.  Consider the Samsung 245T  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6824001246  cheaper units do not have the 178 degree viewing angle that the 245T has  http://www.samsung.com/us/consumer [...] fullspec=F
 
Start with your 80gb drive, assuming it is a sata drive.  If it is not, then get a sata drive.  IDE works, but it can be a bother.  Add a second drive later, when you can properly estimate your needs.
 
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Lebowski10 wrote :

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What I wish I could find in terms of audio expertise is someone who enjoys some of the same recordings I do, through a computer.  That hasn't happened yet.  For what it's worth, I'm looking for quality over volume when it comes to sound, and I want something that can handle old recordings as well as newer, digital ones.  Currently I get a tinny quality to some classical works, especially larger choral works recorded in the 60's through 80's.


 
Ya it depends what you are looking to do with your music on the computer. If you're listening to mp3's below 192 Kbps, there is no reason to really buy a sound card, the audio quality wouldn't be there in the 1st place. Myself, I thought my onboard sounded awful, you could always hear a static hiss when using high-quality headphones which drove me crazy with the acoustic albums that I listen to. A soundcard [PCMIA creative laptop card for now] was one of the better purchases I've made. Outputs incredible, full sound that allows high-end audio components use their full potential.  
 
From what I've read so far, Creative sound cards are more for gaming b/c of their format support [Digital Live or DTS Interactive] while Auzentech's are more for audiophile sound output [analog & optical in/out]. Apparently Auzentech has been good with driver updates, citing support for Digital Live and DTS Interactive soon. I've read some reviews of the bluegears b-Enspirer card and it sounds pretty good too, although it uses c-media drivers which some people seem to have had problems with... Keep the Auzentech in mind, even though it's a bit more expensive. It seems to be the go-to card for audio enthusiasts, and is the one that I'm going to pick up when I start building. Good luck!
 
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6829156005


 
That C-Media chip was originally used for onboard sound and still is. It is no more than an AC' 97 codec chip lol and I can get them for about 11 bucks in other PCB brands.
 
Someone figured out they'd make way more money by throwing it on a card and pricing it like a real sound card. It lacks a lot of punch and is quite flat compared to even the old SB Live! in my opinion. Buy an XFI. And not one of the new stripped down "gamer" ones either. Try and find the old Xtrememusic designs OEM. Best bang for the buck.

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I suppose the question on sound is whether I can plug the onboard sound into a receiver as easily as a more robust card, and whether or not it can handle the kind of music I listen to.
 
I just had one of my hard drives go bad... what's the best brand these days to buy?  My Western Digitals served me well until now, and just as this happened I found that some folks seem to think they have been unreliable for years.

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I was just reminded about the memory size limitations of 32 bit OS's.  Is it worth getting 4 gigs of RAM for any system right now or is that overkill?

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It's not necessarily overkill. You'll only be able to effectively use about 3 GB in a 32-bit OS, but hey, if you decide to upgrade to a 64-bit or one of your RAM sticks fails, you've got the fourth one!  Besides, Tom's just did an article a couple weeks ago about usig 8 GB.  It's not overkill.


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So what OS's are 64 bit these days?  I initially was thinking that Vista Home Premium would be, but hadn't checked it out enough at the time.
 
If I get 4 gigs of RAM, is there any point to having much video card memory in play?

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