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Does anyone know where I could get a 24" Non-TN LCD for under $500?

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March 15, 2008 8:52:50 PM

The only 24" LCD's under $500 all seem to be TN. If I could choose, I would want a dell 2408WFP but that is $700. Does anyone know where I could get a Non-TN 24" or 22" display (anything bigger than my current 19") under $500.

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March 15, 2008 9:40:37 PM

MrCommunistGen said:
Ok I found the review, it's an S-PVA panel.
http://www.anandtech.com/displays/showdoc.aspx?i=3221

This isn't the 245bw, its the 245t. The 245t is a non-tn but it is more than $500. The 245BW is under $500 but it IS a TN panel. So, none of these will work.
a c 240 U Graphics card
March 15, 2008 9:45:17 PM

The Lenovo L220x is a 1920 x 1200 S-PVA screen currently selling for about $450 $499..... problem is everyone that gets a hold of few sells em out like in a day. has great specs, color gamut > 92% / 178 degree view angle / real 24 bit color (TN is only 18 bit)

http://www.buy.com/prod/lenovo-thinkvision-l220x-widesc...
http://www.thenerds.net/LENOVO.Lenovo_ThinkVision_L220X...
http://www.pcconnection.com/IPA/Shop/Product/Detail.htm...
http://www.alwayslowest.com/al/index.cfm?fuseaction=sho...

Reviews:

http://forums.lenovo.com/lnv/board/message?board.id=Thi...
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=...
March 15, 2008 9:49:00 PM

JackNaylorPE said:
The Lenovo L220x is a 1920 x 1200 S-PVA screen currently selling for about $450 $499..... problem is everyone that gets a hold of few sells em out like in a day. has great specs, color gamut > 92% / 178 degree view angle / real 24 bit color (TN is only 18 bit)

http://www.buy.com/prod/lenovo-thinkvision-l220x-widesc...
http://www.thenerds.net/LENOVO.Lenovo_ThinkVision_L220X...
http://www.pcconnection.com/IPA/Shop/Product/Detail.htm...
http://www.alwayslowest.com/al/index.cfm?fuseaction=sho...

Reviews:

http://forums.lenovo.com/lnv/board/message?board.id=Thi...
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=...

I've seen this screen and I was dissapointed. The color and everything looks excellent but the screen is too small for its resolution.
March 15, 2008 10:29:49 PM

Err... thanks. I knew that sub $500 sounded too good. I wasn't paying enough attention I guess. Good luck though.

-mcg
March 15, 2008 10:32:50 PM

MrCommunistGen said:
Err... thanks. I knew that sub $500 sounded too good. I wasn't paying enough attention I guess. Good luck though.

-mcg

Thanks. I was really looking for a 22" but I thought the only way I could get a non-tn would be a 24" but 24s are too much money so I am really considering pulling the trigger on the dell ultrasharp 2208wfp
March 15, 2008 10:40:24 PM

evilshuriken said:
I looked up some 24" monitors for a friend. Settled on this one. Under $500.
Reviews for it are pretty good. Weather you believe in the newegg reviews or not is up to you.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I was considering this one too but the stand lacks adjustability
March 15, 2008 10:41:54 PM

Quote:
jaguarskx

Based on Newegg's current stock of 24" monitors, the least expensive 24" non-TN panel you can buy is the Westinghouse L2410NM for $350 after a mail-in rebate.

This monitor does not have a DVI-D connection; something that would be a requirement for me.

This is pure speculation on my part, but I think Westinghouse purchases batches of S-PVA panels that fails certain quality control tests done by more established name brands like Samsung, HP, Dell, etc. Instead of simply trashing those below average S-PVA panels, they are sold at a lower price point.

The next cheapest non-TN panel 24" LCD monitor is the Planar PX2411W which is priced at $590.


from another Tom's Hardware thread.
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/53395-3-looking-monitor-quality

Westinghouse L2410NM Black 24" 8ms HDMI Widescreen LCD Monitor 500 cd/m2 1000:1 Built in Speakers - Retail
Original Price: $429.99
You Save: $20.00
$409.99
($359.99 after $50.00 Mail-In Rebate)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824255001

Hopes this helps you out.






March 15, 2008 10:45:32 PM

Well, you seem to want the perfect monitor for under $500.
You're way too picky.
NEC might have a monitor that can live up to your standards, but it'll cost a small fortune.
March 15, 2008 10:49:39 PM

go with the westinghouse, I have the 22" version, and I gotta be honest it is an amazing monitor, and considering I got it for $200 out the door a couple years ago and still works perfectly, I don't see how you could go wrong, If you have more money, than go with the samsung, but if you don't have more money then you have to compromise somwhere...
March 16, 2008 12:32:12 AM

evilshuriken said:
Well, you seem to want the perfect monitor for under $500.
You're way too picky.
NEC might have a monitor that can live up to your standards, but it'll cost a small fortune.

That's not possible. I am only 14 years old and I cant afford anything over $500. And if I'm going to spend $500, I want to get the best I can get.
March 16, 2008 1:07:33 AM

:lol: 

You are spending $500 and you don't even know the value of a dollar...wth is this country coming too?

14 and has $500 to spend on a monitor...sheesh.... :non:  :non:  :non: 
a c 240 U Graphics card
March 17, 2008 9:20:16 PM

carman594 said:
I've seen this screen and I was dissapointed. The color and everything looks excellent but the screen is too small for its resolution.


I can't make sense of that comment. How can a screen be too small for its resolution ? What is the better printer.....600 x 600 or 300 by 300 ? Don't they both print out on the same size paper ? has anyone ever said that 8.5 x 11 inch paper is too small for 600 x 600 printer resolution ?

The smaller the screen, the less grainy the image. The higher the resolution / smaller the screen the greater the pixels per inch. The more pixels per inch the better the clarity of the picture.

I am typing from a 1920 x 1200 17" screen. I can put my eyeball an inch from the screen and can't pick out a pixel.

TN screens have too many compromises.....too small a viewing angle.....to little color gamut......6 bit color.
March 17, 2008 10:26:25 PM

but how does that compare when your primary use is for gaming? anywhere form fast moving FPS to slower but better graphically speaking RTS's?
a c 240 U Graphics card
March 18, 2008 1:48:42 PM

If you are asking what is the difference gaming wise between a 22" 1920 x 1200 S-PVA screen versus a 24" 1920x 1200 TN screen, I'd say:

-The 22" will have a sharper image
-Your video cards will have equal loads* (see below)
-You may be able to see the individual pixels on the 24"
-The 24", despite what it says on the box or on the spec page, is not "true 24 bit color". It's 18 bit color "dithered" to try and look like 24 bit color.
-Screen fonts on the 22" will only be 7/8ths as big as on the 24. That is a size 12 font on a 24 will look like size 10.5 font on a 22....or a 1/4" high font (8/32") on the 24" will be only 7/32" high on the 22.
-Screen fonts on the 22" will have less "jaggies"
-Curved lines on the 22" will have less "jaggies"
-The 22" will have a much wider viewing angle, move around to the side of the screen and the bezel of the screen will block your view before the screen washes out.
-The 22" will have better color depth, contrast and color gamut
-The 22" will have a slightly slower response time.....typically 4-6 ms but a real 4-6 ms.**


* I don't know what picks up the processing load for dithering...in many LCD's for example it simulates a missing color by flashing an adjacent pixel on and off....now what "chip" is processing this action, I have no idea. If it's internal to the monitor, then I guess there's no impact. If not .... then something is going to have to shed load to handle this.

** The problem with advertised response times is leaves people with the same "what the ?" response that they get when they but a 500 GB hard drive and find they can only have 450 GB of space on it. That's because the marketing departments have decided that there's only 1,000 bytes in a MB instead of 1,024 and 1,000 MB in a GB instead of 1,024 .... same thing with advertised response times..... In all but the highest end monitors, the advertisers compete on the shelves by making their own standard for measuring this. About the only brand I have not seen play this game is Eizo, even Tomshardware tests have shown that Eizo monitors actually have better response times than they advertise. See:

http://www.lcdtvbuyingguide.com/lcdtv/lcdtv-responsetim...

Resolution issues aside, I'd take a 6 ms S-PVA screen over a 2 ms TN screen in half a heartbeat.
March 18, 2008 2:20:02 PM

a 24" montior for under $500? if no one has been able to help you with finding one yet you never will. Point is you will never find a good quality monitor at that size in your tight price range. go get yourself a 22" widescreen at least you'll have 100 bucks left over
a b U Graphics card
March 18, 2008 3:26:39 PM

Look on slickdeals.net. Within the last month I bough a 24" Soyo monitor for $260(including tax and shipping) from Office Max and a 24" Starlogic monitor for $180 (including tax and shipping) from Circuit City. Both of these are non-TN screens (not sure the exact type). They look great. Granted these were great deals. However, the 24" Soyo has been routinely going on sale for $299. Just keep a lookout. GL
March 18, 2008 5:46:42 PM

JackNaylorPE said:
If you are asking what is the difference gaming wise between a 22" 1920 x 1200 S-PVA screen versus a 24" 1920x 1200 TN screen, I'd say:

-The 22" will have a sharper image
-Your video cards will have equal loads* (see below)
-You may be able to see the individual pixels on the 24"
-The 24", despite what it says on the box or on the spec page, is not "true 24 bit color". It's 18 bit color "dithered" to try and look like 24 bit color.
-Screen fonts on the 22" will only be 7/8ths as big as on the 24. That is a size 12 font on a 24 will look like size 10.5 font on a 22....or a 1/4" high font (8/32") on the 24" will be only 7/32" high on the 22.
-Screen fonts on the 22" will have less "jaggies"
-Curved lines on the 22" will have less "jaggies"
-The 22" will have a much wider viewing angle, move around to the side of the screen and the bezel of the screen will block your view before the screen washes out.
-The 22" will have better color depth, contrast and color gamut
-The 22" will have a slightly slower response time.....typically 4-6 ms but a real 4-6 ms.**


* I don't know what picks up the processing load for dithering...in many LCD's for example it simulates a missing color by flashing an adjacent pixel on and off....now what "chip" is processing this action, I have no idea. If it's internal to the monitor, then I guess there's no impact. If not .... then something is going to have to shed load to handle this.

** The problem with advertised response times is leaves people with the same "what the ?" response that they get when they but a 500 GB hard drive and find they can only have 450 GB of space on it. That's because the marketing departments have decided that there's only 1,000 bytes in a MB instead of 1,024 and 1,000 MB in a GB instead of 1,024 .... same thing with advertised response times..... In all but the highest end monitors, the advertisers compete on the shelves by making their own standard for measuring this. About the only brand I have not seen play this game is Eizo, even Tomshardware tests have shown that Eizo monitors actually have better response times than they advertise. See:

http://www.lcdtvbuyingguide.com/lcdtv/lcdtv-responsetim...

Resolution issues aside, I'd take a 6 ms S-PVA screen over a 2 ms TN screen in half a heartbeat.


Thank you, I was actually wondering between that lenovo 22' with the 1920*1200 vs. the 24" one with similar resolution but as a non-tn monitor, only one I could find was the Westinghouse one that newegg has.

I wanted to compare it to that Westinghouse which is a non-tn monitor, and then I also wanted to compare the lenovo 22" which i assume is a non-tn monitor to the one I currently have which is a 22" Westinghouse, lcm-22w2, which from what i read is a tn-monitor.

in the same areas such as FPS gaming, and RTS's, thank you so far for your help.

also as a side note when do you think non-tn 1920*1200 monitors will come down in price?
March 18, 2008 6:26:36 PM

http://us.lge.com/products/model/detail/computer%20prod...

This is my monitor, I got it at Best Buy when they were discontinuing carrying the model for $475. It has the same screen as the BenQ FP241W and is a great monitor. Look around and be patient and you might be able to find a similar deal.
a b U Graphics card
March 18, 2008 7:38:11 PM

I'd act fast, consumer level 24" panels are all going to TN and the prices aren't reflecting the slide in quality.

Six months from now I doubt you'll find anyone but DELL and NEC selling non-TN 24" panels.
a c 240 U Graphics card
March 18, 2008 10:52:30 PM

FrozenGpu said:
Thank you, I was actually wondering between that lenovo 22' with the 1920*1200 vs. the 24" one with similar resolution but as a non-tn monitor, only one I could find was the Westinghouse one that newegg has.

I wanted to compare it to that Westinghouse which is a non-tn monitor, and then I also wanted to compare the lenovo 22" which i assume is a non-tn monitor to the one I currently have which is a 22" Westinghouse, lcm-22w2, which from what i read is a tn-monitor.

in the same areas such as FPS gaming, and RTS's, thank you so far for your help.

also as a side note when do you think non-tn 1920*1200 monitors will come down in price?


The problem we have I call "VHS syndrome". People didn't really take notice of the fact that betamax was betetr technology, they bought grandma a VHS cause it was $179.99 and the Betamax as $199.99.

Consumers for the most part don't want quality, they want cheap. Most consumers will choose a crappy 24" LCD over a hi quality 21" monitor. I attribute this to several factors:

1. Again, peeps are cheap.
2. A moderate quality 24" impresses friends more than a hi quality 21"
3. People don't get to see the difference. Internet shopping doesn't allow for side by side comparisons.
4. Stores don't want to waste shelf space on hi end.....they gonna move five $399 monitors for every $450 monitor so they make more money per foot of shelf on the cheaper things.
5. The circle completes itself as with lower demand for hi quality stuff, they make less of them. Therefore the "economies" of scale start evaporating the less and less that are made, which means the cost per unit goes up, which means less get sold, and the circle continues.

But what has happened as people started buying more and more monitors based upon advertised (fake) response times as the "deciding factor", they have been disappointed. So they look at graphics professionals sites and graphics professionals forums and see people wowing about IPS and S-PVA monitors. They wish they can afford one but consider $1700- $6000 a bit to much. So then at some point one or two manufacturers will try and distinguish themselves, hoping the market is poised to choose better stuff and comes out with something that is somewhere in between .... sometimes they hit and that's good as it means everyone gets better stuff...they make more so unit price goes down and then they start competing. If they fail, then it's a while before anyone jumps in the game again.

Check out teh graphical thingie here:

http://lcdresource.com/mambo/tools/matrix-of-all-matric...

It's a bit outdated ans improvements have been made since they come up with this....response time has pretty much improved across the board as well as input lag fo example .....the rest seems pretty to hold pretty well.
a c 240 U Graphics card
March 18, 2008 10:59:38 PM

oooh....one more thing....watch for the "bait and switch". From anadtech site:

"Several manufacturers, including Dell and Samsung, have played the panel "bait and switch" game thinking no one would notice. A controversial practice called a "panel lottery" by others, they will originally release a good panel (for reviewers) and switch to an inferior one later on. Dell first put an S-IPS in their 2007WFP and later switched to an S-PVA, whose performance was deemed very low compared to the S-IPS. Samsung originally was making "S" (Samsung) TN panels for their 226BW, until they outsourced their production to AU Optronics ("A"), CMO ("C"), and CPT ("P"). The A, C, and P panels performed poorly at the default color settings. All of their colors were equal after calibration, although the C panel had more issues with response time. Since many folks don't own a colorimeter, they will end up with a panel that can't display colors with the same fidelity as the original "S" panel. Later, both Dell and Samsung began hiding the panel information from the service menu and the back panel. "
March 19, 2008 12:49:20 AM

interesting, according to that matrix, ppl would love to have the A-TW-IPS, but the price is probably way too high.

http://www.westinghousedigital.com/details.aspx?itemnum...

this is the Westinghouse 24" L2410NM i am heavily considering, now where would it be palced in that matrix, just so i get an idea, and considering the price of this monitor, $410 USD, and then a $50 MIR, it seems like its gotta be a good deal, is it?

it seems like a non-tn monitor, but it has a viewing angle of 176 degrees, I read somewhere that it is supposed to be 178 degrees or higher, does this make sense, or is couple degrees of separation not make a huge difference?
March 19, 2008 4:17:38 AM

ausch30 said:
http://us.lge.com/products/model/detail/computer%20prod...

This is my monitor, I got it at Best Buy when they were discontinuing carrying the model for $475. It has the same screen as the BenQ FP241W and is a great monitor. Look around and be patient and you might be able to find a similar deal.


I guess it doesn't matter b/c I just bought this one, form ebay for like $410 w/ shipping, the more research i did i decided to pounce on this one and be done with, besides it does have a MVA screen which i guess is better.

not to mention now I can finally enter the 1920*1200 league of resolutions!!!
[:kentuckyranger:1] [:kentuckyranger:1] [:kentuckyranger:1]
a c 240 U Graphics card
March 19, 2008 7:32:23 PM

FrozenGpu said:
interesting, according to that matrix, ppl would love to have the A-TW-IPS, but the price is probably way too high.


Look at the descriptions here......

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1039222

TN Gamers
Considered a "gamers" panel due to it's fast pixel response times which reduces trailing images know as "ghosting". However, this advantage has been reduced by new technologies to accelerate pixel response times in other panel types. Colors and contrast tend to be weak and blacks are not truly dark. Viewing angles are significantly limited. However, monitors based on this technology tend to be inexpensive.

IPS / S-IPS Graphics Work or Web Browsing
Considered to have the best color reproduction of all panel types, these panels are well suited for graphics work or web browsing. Pixel response time is also good but slower than the TN "gamers" panel. Contast and blacks are also less dark than VA panels but viewing angles are excellent.

MVA / P-MVA / PVA / S-PVA Compromise for All-Around Use
These panels are a compromise between the fast pixel response times of the TN panel and the excellent color reproduction of the IPS panels. Contrast and blacks are best of all the panel types. Viewing angles are similar but slightly inferior to IPS.

Again, these manufacturers keep pulling the bait and switch....sending IPS or PVA panels out to reviewers and then selling TN panels. Astra32 I believe can identify panel types. I'd want a guarantee that i was getting the type of panel I was expecting.

Just found this excellent site and am still reading

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/faq.htm

Can go here to search what panel in what screen

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/panelsearch.htm
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/panel_parts.htm#24...
March 19, 2008 7:44:05 PM

Personally, I would get teh 24" dell from costco for $349 and be happy with it until the tech gets better, because right now it's a joke. I have the 245 bw and you can't move even the slightest off center otherwise you start losing the picture- bigtime. Then there is the battle to get the color , contrast and brightness cleaned up. You might play a game where looking down the scope of asniper rifle results in seeing a wall with lights against it as a WASH with white. Then walking down the hall seems just fine, not too dark. In order to resolve that white wash, you have to 'darken' things a bit...but then standard walkways etc are too dark. Center is fine but that bit off up and down left and right are a bit darker and noticable.

The dell I think has overall a better look to it although it won't impress dead center, the annoyances are gone.

I have a 19" sony tube and honestly, it's far better. I like the extra space of the 24" though. I like the widescreen for comparing code, but well shoot - I just wish it had the ability of my 10 year old sony. :( 

March 19, 2008 8:05:12 PM

JackNaylorPE said:
Look at the descriptions here......

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1039222

TN Gamers
Considered a "gamers" panel due to it's fast pixel response times which reduces trailing images know as "ghosting". However, this advantage has been reduced by new technologies to accelerate pixel response times in other panel types. Colors and contrast tend to be weak and blacks are not truly dark. Viewing angles are significantly limited. However, monitors based on this technology tend to be inexpensive.

IPS / S-IPS Graphics Work or Web Browsing
Considered to have the best color reproduction of all panel types, these panels are well suited for graphics work or web browsing. Pixel response time is also good but slower than the TN "gamers" panel. Contast and blacks are also less dark than VA panels but viewing angles are excellent.

MVA / P-MVA / PVA / S-PVA Compromise for All-Around Use
These panels are a compromise between the fast pixel response times of the TN panel and the excellent color reproduction of the IPS panels. Contrast and blacks are best of all the panel types. Viewing angles are similar but slightly inferior to IPS.

Again, these manufacturers keep pulling the bait and switch....sending IPS or PVA panels out to reviewers and then selling TN panels. Astra32 I believe can identify panel types. I'd want a guarantee that i was getting the type of panel I was expecting.

Just found this excellent site and am still reading

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/faq.htm

Can go here to search what panel in what screen

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/panelsearch.htm
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/panel_parts.htm#24...


ah ok, So the mva is better than I thought it was in terms of gmaing at least, so this astra32 is he a user on TH, and where does he live, b/c I would love to get him to look at my panel to let me know if it truly is a MVA panel, although I would think there are programs know that could do that?
March 20, 2008 2:35:01 AM

FrozenGpu said:
ah ok, So the mva is better than I thought it was in terms of gmaing at least, so this astra32 is he a user on TH, and where does he live, b/c I would love to get him to look at my panel to let me know if it truly is a MVA panel, although I would think there are programs know that could do that?


http://www.astra32.com/
March 20, 2008 3:05:21 AM

I think the NEC ASLCD24WMCX-BK is a 24" PVA panel, and NewEgg has it for $440:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I'm not 100% certain that it is a PVA panel, but the specs indicate it is.

Also, as an owner of the Samsung SyncMaster 245BW, I can affirm that it is a TN panel, and it sucks for anything other than gaming and basic web browsing/office use. Colors and viewing angles are awful.
a c 240 U Graphics card
March 20, 2008 2:28:11 PM

asgallant said:
I think the NEC ASLCD24WMCX-BK is a 24" PVA panel, and NewEgg has it for $440:


Go here:

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/panelsearch.htm

and type in "NEC" in the dialog box. I found this listed 4th from bottom of list.

NEC LCD24WMCX 5ms 24"WS TN Film
Anonymous
a b U Graphics card
March 20, 2008 3:12:45 PM

I know its not a normal retailer but i find some really good deals here www.bidtopia.com managed to pick up a dell 2407wfp-hc for 400$ and 22$ shipping last week.
March 20, 2008 11:27:35 PM

JackNaylorPE said:
Go here:

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/panelsearch.htm

and type in "NEC" in the dialog box. I found this listed 4th from bottom of list.

NEC LCD24WMCX 5ms 24"WS TN Film



Thanks Jack, I wish I had known about that site back in August when I bought this POS 245BW. Bookmarked it now.
a c 240 U Graphics card
March 21, 2008 6:05:53 PM

Keep in mind the switcheroo thing tho......methinks that should be fraud if they send one panel to reviewers and another to customers.
March 22, 2008 1:13:31 AM

Get the cheapest decent 24" you can get. You wont notice the difference between TN and non-TN unless you put them side by side or you are a professional artist.
March 22, 2008 3:01:02 AM

well I'm about to test a 24" non-tn monitor, i got for $410 shipped!

L246WP-BN

Once my old Westinghouse is compared to it, we will see, I'm just wondering how it will do against the MVA monitor in terms of gaming?
March 22, 2008 4:55:15 AM

That DoubleSight monitor uses a TN panel - either that, or it has the crappiest PVA panel ever made.
March 22, 2008 6:43:31 AM

Glad to see people making proper LCD decisions rather than basing it on "OMGZ this one has a 2ms response time! And its $10.50!"

Then wondering why the picture is crap on their new monitor with a 6bit panel and overdrive that is waaaay too high...


A friend of mine just bought one of these:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

which he says is very good, although I haven't seen it myself.
March 22, 2008 4:46:04 PM

now that is a nice monitor, it's pretty close to specs to my LG I just purchased, can't wait to see what the big deal is between tn and non-tn [MVA] panels.

i sure hope it is as good as everybody who recommends non-tn monitors, to tn monitors, Even if its not that great It will be my first 24" panel, and my first for experiencing the beauty of which that is 1920*1200 res... :D 
a c 240 U Graphics card
March 23, 2008 4:44:34 PM

Looks like Doublesight did the ole SB&S (Samsung Bait and Switch)

Look at this older link's specs:

http://lcd24-7.info/Monitor/DoubleSight/DS-240WB/Defaul...

Technology S-PVA
Response (gray-to-gray) 6 ms
Viewing Angles (C/R 10:1) 178/178°

Now look at at the pcconnection link
http://www.pcconnection.com/IPA/Shop/Product/Detail.htm...

Response Time/Rate 5 ms
Viewing Angle (H/V degrees) 160/160 degree(s)

Clearly those have two different panels in them. As described a bit back in the thread, this has become common practice among manufacturers. If buying that, I'd want a written guarantee from PCconnection that it is a S-PVA screen....because 160 degrees and the ms pick up on response time sure seems to point to a TN panel.

!