Does anyone know where I could get a 24" Non-TN LCD for under $500?

[carman594]

The only 24" LCD's under $500 all seem to be TN. If I could choose, I would want a dell 2408WFP but that is $700. Does anyone know where I could get a Non-TN 24" or 22" display (anything bigger than my current 19") under $500.

 

[MrCommunistGen]

The Samsung 245BW... as far as I know is not a TN panel, there is a review on anandtech I think... Price looks to be about $479
http://computers.pricegrabber.com/f...204/search=245bw/st=sort/sort_type=bottomline

 

[MrCommunistGen]

Ok I found the review, it's an S-PVA panel.
http://www.anandtech.com/displays/showdoc.aspx?i=3221

 

[carman594]

Ok I found the review, it's an S-PVA panel.
http://www.anandtech.com/displays/showdoc.aspx?i=3221

This isn't the 245bw, its the 245t. The 245t is a non-tn but it is more than $500. The 245BW is under $500 but it IS a TN panel. So, none of these will work.

 

[JackNaylorPE]

The Lenovo L220x is a 1920 x 1200 S-PVA screen currently selling for about $450 $499..... problem is everyone that gets a hold of few sells em out like in a day. has great specs, color gamut > 92% / 178 degree view angle / real 24 bit color (TN is only 18 bit)

http://www.buy.com/prod/lenovo-thinkvision-l220x-widescreen-lcd-monitor-22-1920-x-1200-60hz/q/loc/101/206225060.html
http://www.thenerds.net/LENOVO.Lenovo_ThinkVision_L220X_Widescreen_LCD_Monitor_22_1920_x_1200_60Hz_6ms_0282mm_.4433HB2.html
http://www.pcconnection.com/IPA/Shop/Product/Detail.htm?sku=8130037
http://www.alwayslowest.com/al/index.cfm?fuseaction=shop.dspSpecs&part=2380653

Reviews:

http://forums.lenovo.com/lnv/board/message?board.id=Thinkvision&thread.id=2
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9056059&pageNumber=2

 

[carman594]

The Lenovo L220x is a 1920 x 1200 S-PVA screen currently selling for about $450 $499..... problem is everyone that gets a hold of few sells em out like in a day. has great specs, color gamut > 92% / 178 degree view angle / real 24 bit color (TN is only 18 bit)

http://www.buy.com/prod/lenovo-thinkvision-l220x-widescreen-lcd-monitor-22-1920-x-1200-60hz/q/loc/101/206225060.html
http://www.thenerds.net/LENOVO.Lenovo_ThinkVision_L220X_Widescreen_LCD_Monitor_22_1920_x_1200_60Hz_6ms_0282mm_.4433HB2.html
http://www.pcconnection.com/IPA/Shop/Product/Detail.htm?sku=8130037
http://www.alwayslowest.com/al/index.cfm?fuseaction=shop.dspSpecs&part=2380653

Reviews:

http://forums.lenovo.com/lnv/board/message?board.id=Thinkvision&thread.id=2
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9056059&pageNumber=2

I've seen this screen and I was dissapointed. The color and everything looks excellent but the screen is too small for its resolution.

 

[MrCommunistGen]

Err... thanks. I knew that sub $500 sounded too good. I wasn't paying enough attention I guess. Good luck though.

-mcg

 

[carman594]

Err... thanks. I knew that sub $500 sounded too good. I wasn't paying enough attention I guess. Good luck though.

-mcg

Thanks. I was really looking for a 22" but I thought the only way I could get a non-tn would be a 24" but 24s are too much money so I am really considering pulling the trigger on the dell ultrasharp 2208wfp

 

[evilshuriken]

I looked up some 24" monitors for a friend. Settled on this one. Under $500.
Reviews for it are pretty good. Weather you believe in the newegg reviews or not is up to you.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824255001

Edit
Manufacturer product link.
http://www.westinghousedigital.com/details.aspx?itemnum=105

 

[carman594]

I looked up some 24" monitors for a friend. Settled on this one. Under $500.
Reviews for it are pretty good. Weather you believe in the newegg reviews or not is up to you.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824255001

I was considering this one too but the stand lacks adjustability

 

[Yoosty]

jaguarskx

Based on Newegg's current stock of 24" monitors, the least expensive 24" non-TN panel you can buy is the Westinghouse L2410NM for $350 after a mail-in rebate.

This monitor does not have a DVI-D connection; something that would be a requirement for me.

This is pure speculation on my part, but I think Westinghouse purchases batches of S-PVA panels that fails certain quality control tests done by more established name brands like Samsung, HP, Dell, etc. Instead of simply trashing those below average S-PVA panels, they are sold at a lower price point.

The next cheapest non-TN panel 24" LCD monitor is the Planar PX2411W which is priced at $590.

from another Tom's Hardware thread.
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/53395-3-looking-monitor-quality

Westinghouse L2410NM Black 24" 8ms HDMI Widescreen LCD Monitor 500 cd/m2 1000:1 Built in Speakers - Retail
Original Price: $429.99
You Save: $20.00
$409.99
($359.99 after $50.00 Mail-In Rebate)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824255001

Hopes this helps you out.

 

[evilshuriken]

Well, you seem to want the perfect monitor for under $500.
You're way too picky.
NEC might have a monitor that can live up to your standards, but it'll cost a small fortune.

 

[FrozenGpu]

go with the westinghouse, I have the 22" version, and I gotta be honest it is an amazing monitor, and considering I got it for $200 out the door a couple years ago and still works perfectly, I don't see how you could go wrong, If you have more money, than go with the samsung, but if you don't have more money then you have to compromise somwhere...

 

[carman594]

Well, you seem to want the perfect monitor for under $500.
You're way too picky.
NEC might have a monitor that can live up to your standards, but it'll cost a small fortune.

That's not possible. I am only 14 years old and I cant afford anything over $500. And if I'm going to spend $500, I want to get the best I can get.

 

[FrozenGpu]

:lol:

You are spending $500 and you don't even know the value of a dollar...wth is this country coming too?

14 and has $500 to spend on a monitor...sheesh....

 

[tlmck]

This is an amazing looking 24" monitor for under $500, but it is TFT. http://www.gateway.com/accessories/product/1541351R.php?seg=hm

 

[JackNaylorPE]

I've seen this screen and I was dissapointed. The color and everything looks excellent but the screen is too small for its resolution.

I can't make sense of that comment. How can a screen be too small for its resolution ? What is the better printer.....600 x 600 or 300 by 300 ? Don't they both print out on the same size paper ? has anyone ever said that 8.5 x 11 inch paper is too small for 600 x 600 printer resolution ?

The smaller the screen, the less grainy the image. The higher the resolution / smaller the screen the greater the pixels per inch. The more pixels per inch the better the clarity of the picture.

I am typing from a 1920 x 1200 17" screen. I can put my eyeball an inch from the screen and can't pick out a pixel.

TN screens have too many compromises.....too small a viewing angle.....to little color gamut......6 bit color.

 

[FrozenGpu]

but how does that compare when your primary use is for gaming? anywhere form fast moving FPS to slower but better graphically speaking RTS's?

 

[JackNaylorPE]

If you are asking what is the difference gaming wise between a 22" 1920 x 1200 S-PVA screen versus a 24" 1920x 1200 TN screen, I'd say:

-The 22" will have a sharper image
-Your video cards will have equal loads* (see below)
-You may be able to see the individual pixels on the 24"
-The 24", despite what it says on the box or on the spec page, is not "true 24 bit color". It's 18 bit color "dithered" to try and look like 24 bit color.
-Screen fonts on the 22" will only be 7/8ths as big as on the 24. That is a size 12 font on a 24 will look like size 10.5 font on a 22....or a 1/4" high font (8/32") on the 24" will be only 7/32" high on the 22.
-Screen fonts on the 22" will have less "jaggies"
-Curved lines on the 22" will have less "jaggies"
-The 22" will have a much wider viewing angle, move around to the side of the screen and the bezel of the screen will block your view before the screen washes out.
-The 22" will have better color depth, contrast and color gamut
-The 22" will have a slightly slower response time.....typically 4-6 ms but a real 4-6 ms.**


* I don't know what picks up the processing load for dithering...in many LCD's for example it simulates a missing color by flashing an adjacent pixel on and off....now what "chip" is processing this action, I have no idea. If it's internal to the monitor, then I guess there's no impact. If not .... then something is going to have to shed load to handle this.

** The problem with advertised response times is leaves people with the same "what the ?" response that they get when they but a 500 GB hard drive and find they can only have 450 GB of space on it. That's because the marketing departments have decided that there's only 1,000 bytes in a MB instead of 1,024 and 1,000 MB in a GB instead of 1,024 .... same thing with advertised response times..... In all but the highest end monitors, the advertisers compete on the shelves by making their own standard for measuring this. About the only brand I have not seen play this game is Eizo, even Tomshardware tests have shown that Eizo monitors actually have better response times than they advertise. See:

http://www.lcdtvbuyingguide.com/lcdtv/lcdtv-responsetime.shtml

Resolution issues aside, I'd take a 6 ms S-PVA screen over a 2 ms TN screen in half a heartbeat.

 

[captaincharisma]

a 24" montior for under $500? if no one has been able to help you with finding one yet you never will. Point is you will never find a good quality monitor at that size in your tight price range. go get yourself a 22" widescreen at least you'll have 100 bucks left over

 

[orangegator]

Look on slickdeals.net. Within the last month I bough a 24" Soyo monitor for $260(including tax and shipping) from Office Max and a 24" Starlogic monitor for $180 (including tax and shipping) from Circuit City. Both of these are non-TN screens (not sure the exact type). They look great. Granted these were great deals. However, the 24" Soyo has been routinely going on sale for $299. Just keep a lookout. GL

 

[FrozenGpu]

If you are asking what is the difference gaming wise between a 22" 1920 x 1200 S-PVA screen versus a 24" 1920x 1200 TN screen, I'd say:

-The 22" will have a sharper image
-Your video cards will have equal loads* (see below)
-You may be able to see the individual pixels on the 24"
-The 24", despite what it says on the box or on the spec page, is not "true 24 bit color". It's 18 bit color "dithered" to try and look like 24 bit color.
-Screen fonts on the 22" will only be 7/8ths as big as on the 24. That is a size 12 font on a 24 will look like size 10.5 font on a 22....or a 1/4" high font (8/32") on the 24" will be only 7/32" high on the 22.
-Screen fonts on the 22" will have less "jaggies"
-Curved lines on the 22" will have less "jaggies"
-The 22" will have a much wider viewing angle, move around to the side of the screen and the bezel of the screen will block your view before the screen washes out.
-The 22" will have better color depth, contrast and color gamut
-The 22" will have a slightly slower response time.....typically 4-6 ms but a real 4-6 ms.**


* I don't know what picks up the processing load for dithering...in many LCD's for example it simulates a missing color by flashing an adjacent pixel on and off....now what "chip" is processing this action, I have no idea. If it's internal to the monitor, then I guess there's no impact. If not .... then something is going to have to shed load to handle this.

** The problem with advertised response times is leaves people with the same "what the ?" response that they get when they but a 500 GB hard drive and find they can only have 450 GB of space on it. That's because the marketing departments have decided that there's only 1,000 bytes in a MB instead of 1,024 and 1,000 MB in a GB instead of 1,024 .... same thing with advertised response times..... In all but the highest end monitors, the advertisers compete on the shelves by making their own standard for measuring this. About the only brand I have not seen play this game is Eizo, even Tomshardware tests have shown that Eizo monitors actually have better response times than they advertise. See:

http://www.lcdtvbuyingguide.com/lcdtv/lcdtv-responsetime.shtml

Resolution issues aside, I'd take a 6 ms S-PVA screen over a 2 ms TN screen in half a heartbeat.

Thank you, I was actually wondering between that lenovo 22' with the 1920*1200 vs. the 24" one with similar resolution but as a non-tn monitor, only one I could find was the Westinghouse one that newegg has.

I wanted to compare it to that Westinghouse which is a non-tn monitor, and then I also wanted to compare the lenovo 22" which i assume is a non-tn monitor to the one I currently have which is a 22" Westinghouse, lcm-22w2, which from what i read is a tn-monitor.

in the same areas such as FPS gaming, and RTS's, thank you so far for your help.

also as a side note when do you think non-tn 1920*1200 monitors will come down in price?

 

[ausch30]

http://us.lge.com/products/model/detail/computer%20products_lcd%20monitors_windows%20vista%20certified_L246WP-BN.jhtml

This is my monitor, I got it at Best Buy when they were discontinuing carrying the model for $475. It has the same screen as the BenQ FP241W and is a great monitor. Look around and be patient and you might be able to find a similar deal.

 

[MagicPants]

I'd act fast, consumer level 24" panels are all going to TN and the prices aren't reflecting the slide in quality.

Six months from now I doubt you'll find anyone but DELL and NEC selling non-TN 24" panels.

 

[JackNaylorPE]

Thank you, I was actually wondering between that lenovo 22' with the 1920*1200 vs. the 24" one with similar resolution but as a non-tn monitor, only one I could find was the Westinghouse one that newegg has.

I wanted to compare it to that Westinghouse which is a non-tn monitor, and then I also wanted to compare the lenovo 22" which i assume is a non-tn monitor to the one I currently have which is a 22" Westinghouse, lcm-22w2, which from what i read is a tn-monitor.

in the same areas such as FPS gaming, and RTS's, thank you so far for your help.

also as a side note when do you think non-tn 1920*1200 monitors will come down in price?

The problem we have I call "VHS syndrome". People didn't really take notice of the fact that betamax was betetr technology, they bought grandma a VHS cause it was $179.99 and the Betamax as $199.99.

Consumers for the most part don't want quality, they want cheap. Most consumers will choose a crappy 24" LCD over a hi quality 21" monitor. I attribute this to several factors:

1. Again, peeps are cheap.
2. A moderate quality 24" impresses friends more than a hi quality 21"
3. People don't get to see the difference. Internet shopping doesn't allow for side by side comparisons.
4. Stores don't want to waste shelf space on hi end.....they gonna move five $399 monitors for every $450 monitor so they make more money per foot of shelf on the cheaper things.
5. The circle completes itself as with lower demand for hi quality stuff, they make less of them. Therefore the "economies" of scale start evaporating the less and less that are made, which means the cost per unit goes up, which means less get sold, and the circle continues.

But what has happened as people started buying more and more monitors based upon advertised (fake) response times as the "deciding factor", they have been disappointed. So they look at graphics professionals sites and graphics professionals forums and see people wowing about IPS and S-PVA monitors. They wish they can afford one but consider $1700- $6000 a bit to much. So then at some point one or two manufacturers will try and distinguish themselves, hoping the market is poised to choose better stuff and comes out with something that is somewhere in between .... sometimes they hit and that's good as it means everyone gets better stuff...they make more so unit price goes down and then they start competing. If they fail, then it's a while before anyone jumps in the game again.

Check out teh graphical thingie here:

http://lcdresource.com/mambo/tools/matrix-of-all-matrices.htm

It's a bit outdated ans improvements have been made since they come up with this....response time has pretty much improved across the board as well as input lag fo example .....the rest seems pretty to hold pretty well.