For serious Video Editing and gaming, how does this hold up. I'm still trying to figure out why the 250GB 32MB cache hard drives disappeared I was also considering doing a raptor for a the OS, and use 250GB for my files. Once I have enough money, I figured I would get some more 250GB drives and setup a RAID.
- I will be overclocking the Q6600 above 3.0Ghz and a bit on the graphics card.
- I have XP 64bit so I'm going to utilize the 8GB.
- I won't be upgrading my graphics card until there is a $200 card that can play Crysis at 1680x1050 with high settings.
- I plan on adding a second 20" monitor later on.
- I'm still looking at sound cards that have optical in that I will buy later this summer.
- I'll be using Adobe After Effects, Sony Vegas, and Final Cut Studio for editing (I plan on making this build a hackintosh later on for Final Cut)
- I'll be playing Call of Duty 4, UT3, Bioshock?, and Crysis (later on)
- I'm trying to keep my components quiet as possible but having overclocking in mind (at least for the processor)
- As mentioned before, I'm looking at adding some 120mm or 140mm fans to the case so some nice quiet ones will do (distribute the amount of air moved over many fans in order to drop dDA levels)
- I'm also looking at upgrading to a Q9450 later on as well
Let me know what you think! Trying to keep this around $1300 for my current components. Give any advice you have or personal success with any of the components.
Message edited by pokemon on 03-18-2008 at 11:10:14 PM
Acer AL2216Wbd Black 22" 5ms Widescreen LCD Monitor with HDCP support
Item #:N82E16824009094
Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 (overclocking to 3.6-4.0)
Grand Total: $1,120.87 without CPU
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Depending on how high your OC'ing the q6600 you can rely on ddr2-800 (with a multiplier of 8, 400x2=800mhz and 400x8=3.2ghz for a 1:1 ratio. with your memory you can max out at 4ghz which is unheard of for q6600 on air. just depends on how high you want to OC)
If you chose the PSU i have (2 fans), the intake takes air from vent on bottom of case and immediately throws it out the back, virtually eliminating the psu as a heat source. (food for thought, your build doesn't need 750w http://extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp)
Get the 8800gt, but if you want to OC it you should get a VGA heatsink/fan (see above) cause it runs a little hot.
With the tuniq tower 120 get artic silver 5 to apply in order to maximize cooling efficiency (the heat dissipates to the heatsink more easily through the molecular architecture of the artic silver 5).
Any questions, just ask.
Message edited by akore on 03-08-2008 at 02:39:32 AM
Though I usually use conservative values when using a calculator, I would not consider going below 600W for what I plan to do with the system and how long I plan on keeping it.
Yate Loon fans at jab tech are really really quiet. I'd recommend those, especially since they're 1/4 the price of the s-flex or silverstone at newegg that most people would get/recommend.
Does it really matter which fans (orange or black) that I get? Surprised they are so cheap yet really good.
Updated components in first post!
- Switched from G Skill DDR2 1000 to DDR2 800 (The Q9450 I believe has a 7.5x multi so I'm not sure how that will affect my overclock?)
- eVGA 9600GT price drop plus rebate for $156 shipped
- Antec apparently have very quiet PSUs, went with the True Power Trio 650W, has Seasonic internals as well.
- Added 4 Yate Loon Orange/Black D12SL fans
- Decided to go with the Seagate 250GB 7200.10 until I can find the 7200.11. I've had problems with the .10 drives so hopefully I get lucky this next time around, if I must get the .10 drives.
I'm not sure if the Q9450 is suppose to have more requirements in terms of RAM for overclocking, anyone know?
Does it really matter which fans (orange or black) that I get? Surprised they are so cheap yet really good.
Updated components in first post!
1. Switched from G Skill DDR2 1000 to DDR2 800 (The Q9450 I believe has a 7.5x multi so I'm not sure how that will affect my overclock?)
- eVGA 9600GT price drop plus rebate for $156 shipped
- Antec apparently have very quiet PSUs, went with the True Power Trio 650W, has Seasonic internals as well.
- Added 4 Yate Loon Orange/Black D12SL fans
- Decided to go with the Seagate 250GB 7200.10 until I can find the 7200.11. I've had problems with the .10 drives so hopefully I get lucky this next time around, if I must get the .10 drives.
2. I'm not sure if the Q9450 is suppose to have more requirements in terms of RAM for overclocking, anyone know?
1 = alright, when overclocking take half the mhz of ram (400 in your case) and multiply it by the multiplier on the CPU for a stable 1:1 ratio. Without overclocking the ram the highest speed you can achieve with 1:1 is (7.5x400) 3.0ghz. With the ddr2 1000 you can achieve 3.75ghz. If I am wrong someone please correct me, but I am pretty sure I am right.
2 = it all depends on the multiplier. For raw performance, when *the smaller the multiplier and higher the mhz* is better than *the higher the multiplier and smaller the mhz*. If you seriously plan on OC'ing I'd have to recommend the ddr2 1000 from g-skill.
Your rig looks good. Remember, there is no perfect build, there are infinite combinations which can achieve nearly the same performance and reliability.
If the DDR2 1000 RAM is still on sale when I go to buy it, I'll get it. Otherwise I don't think it really matter, just might be nice just in case.
Also if I did get the DDR2 1000 RAM, I would also need to get a motherboard that could support that frequency which would mean spending more $. I think I'll stick with the DDR2 800 stuff since the DS3L ,let alone any of the Gigabyte boards under $200, won't be allowing a 500Mhz frequency.
In general, however, I'm not a serious overclocker. I would be happy with 3.2-3.4Ghz with the Q6600. I would not sacrifice a quiet PC for a little bit more power. I'm also looking into getting a quieter 9600GT if the eVGA is going to be the loudest component in my computer.
I've been reading some reviews on the DS3L and in one review I recall it made it to 490, but not 500. Then, just looking at forums for reported overclocks, I saw someone with a 535mhz FSB. I'm confused
Message edited by pokemon on 03-09-2008 at 03:22:50 AM
For serious editing and multimedia... you will likely find that the HD you want will run out very quickly. I am not sure what programs you are talking about... but the one I use uses more than 20Gb just for the software... not including the OS or anything else. I think with very little on my machine it would suck back about 80-100Gb before even inputing the very first project. If by editing mean video... better to get a second drive for that. The 250 would be great for OS and program files... don't need anything massive for that. But having a seperate drive gives you better performance and protection. If need to reformat etc the second drive is not touched... keeps all that data safe. Don't need to go ape like I did... but one extra hard drive will do you very well... though may want to look at 500Gb... they should be around $100. That's what I can get them for in Canada.
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Acer AM5620 Intel Q6600 2.4 Ghz Quad Core with 4GB 6400 Ram, 4x500 GB Hard Drives, Thermalright IFX-14 Cooler, and Cooler Master Cosmos 1000 Case. (Video Editing/Game Machine)
Nothing is for certain when you overclock. What one person is able to get does always mean someone else will be able to achieve the same results. You can have two exact systems and maybe the CPU's have different lot numbers, or whatever it's called, and one will not go as far as the other. Get a case with good airflow, a good cooler and ram is about all you can do, that and have a good, stable PSU.
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once I RAID 3 250GB drives, I will have more than enough room for what I do. I typically have no more than 30min of footage, SD uncompressed on my drives. If all of my programs and plugins and such are on the OS drive, I should have plenty of room on both sets of drives. I'm still looking at how to accomplish having a compressed mirror for a RAID setup (3x 250GB RAID + 1x 250GB compressed mirror)
You might want to get 7200.11 HDDs instead of the 7200.10 ones that you hvae picked out. The 7200.11 HDDs are almost as fast as the Raptors but with better price vs. performance value. The 7200.11 are only about 1ms slower than the Raptors in most benchmarks. Be careful when you RAID, you might run into back up problems with x64 OSes. Also reduce pagefile since you have 8GB RAM.
You might want to get 7200.11 HDDs instead of the 7200.10 ones that you hvae picked out. The 7200.11 HDDs are almost as fast as the Raptors but with better price vs. performance value. The 7200.11 are only about 1ms slower than the Raptors in most benchmarks. Be careful when you RAID, you might run into back up problems with x64 OSes. Also reduce pagefile since you have 8GB RAM.
He did say he couldnt find the 250 gig with the 32mb cashe. 1ms in a HD. i dont think you will be able to see a difference. i picked up the 7200.11 500 gig as a secondary drive. For what you are going to be doing.... i would think of doing this and staying away from raid.
If I could find the 7200.11 250GB hard drives I would buy them in an instant, but they magically disappeared I can only find them in 20 pack bulks, and I definitely don't need that many.
It depends on what kind of performance I can get for having large video files with video editing. I'm doing everything I can to get to real-time editing as possible with price in mind. I know its almost impossible to get real-t